Swiss to vote on $2,800 monthly income for all adults - DUmmies drool

[wasp69]

Interesting proposal.  How could we accomplish this?  Wouldn't it require massive state/government intrusion?

-Laelth

Not really.  

Remove the incentive for not working and watch amazing things happen.  You might be surprised to know people can accomplish what they thought impossible when they put their minds to it.

[JohnnyReb]

Not really.  

Remove the incentive for not working and watch amazing things happen.  You might be surprised to know people can accomplish what they thought impossible when they put their minds to it.....and their backs into it.

[wasp69]

I'm just responding to people who have responded to my comments.  It might seem rude to ignore them, and I always miss a few, here, as lots of people want to take a bite out of this liberal chew-toy.  I'm providing a public service.

 

-Laelth

Considering how obtuse your answers are, as well as ignoring requests for real data and ignoring certain posts outright, I am beginning to believe your sole purpose here is to disrupt and troll.  Which, I believe, is a direct violation of CC's TOS.

What say you?

[Laelth]

Stuff happens.  Most of the poor people I know became poor through no fault of their own.  They got unlucky.  It's that simple.  I hope you never get unlucky.  If you do, I hope your ideology bites you in the buttocks.

-Laelth

This was a response to kraven, and I want to walk back the last part.  Actually, if you ever are unlucky and do find yourself dependent upon "We the People" of the United States, I hope that there's an adequate social safety net to protect you and your family.

-Laelth

[JohnnyReb]

This was a response to kraven, and I want to walk back the last part.  Actually, if you ever are unlucky and do find yourself dependent upon "We the People" of the United States, I hope that there's an adequate social safety net to protect you and your family.

-Laelth

His safety net is his willingness to solve his own problems.

[Laelth]

Considering how obtuse your answers are, as well as ignoring requests for real data and ignoring certain posts outright, I am beginning to believe your sole purpose here is to disrupt and troll.  Which, I believe, is a direct violation of CC's TOS.

What say you?

I deny the disrupt/troll accusation.  I came here a few days ago to just say, "Hi," as I am a member here, and it had been a long time since I had checked in.  I also wanted to ask a couple of questions, and I did that, because I was curious to know what CC thought about the government shutdown and my "left has already won on social issues" thesis.  That second one got shot down in flames, and that's fine, but I learned a lot and it was useful.  Only one person was willing to take a good stab at a response to my question about the shut-down, and that's fine too.

At this stage, I am just responding to people.  It appears lots of posters want to engage me.

-Laelth

[Bad Dog]

This was a response to kraven, and I want to walk back the last part.  Actually, if you ever are unlucky and do find yourself dependent upon "We the People" of the United States, I hope that there's an adequate social safety net to protect you and your family.

-Laelth

You tried this before and got vigorously slapped down for it.  When you abuse substances you are not unlucky, when you repeatedly show up for work late (if at all) you are not unlucky and when you make yourself so physically repulsive you can't work with customers you are not unlucky.  We all have setbacks in life but, you dust your self off and hit the bricks again.  We have more and more people in this country on generational welfare.  If you've never tried to support yourself you are not unlucky you are lazy.

[Laelth]

I made a mistake in my previous post.  Giving every American over the age of 18 a thousand dollars a month for an entire year would cost $2.8 TRILLION dollars. Since the Census website is down due to the federal shutdown () I had to use figures from another site.  You can do the math yourself.

All these liberal wet dreams would never work.  This country just doesn't have the tax base to support that kind of insanity.

Not even the Swiss are talking about giving a check to every citizen over the age of 18.  I suspect the plan is to create a "guaranteed minimum income," i.e. if you make more than $12k/year, you get no check.  The vast majority of Americans over the age of 18 make more than $12k/year.  The program could never be as costly as your figures indicate.

-Laelth

[wasp69]

We're not an Empire.  We are a country.  

I don't believe for one second this poster didn't use this word on purpose.  Laelth is nothing more than a flame bait posting, trolling, disruptor that thinks itself clever and cute; not a very original one at that.

Resurrecting two year old threads, disrupting others, purposely starting flame bait threads...  Nothing new for a smarter than everyone else liberal troll.

[Bad Dog]

Not even the Swiss are talking about giving a check to every citizen over the age of 18.  I suspect the plan is to create a "guaranteed minimum income," i.e. if you make more than $12k/year, you get no check.  The vast majority of Americans over the age of 18 make more than $12k/year.  The program could never be as costly as your figures indicate.

-Laelth

Let's say I'm a 18.5 year old "American" making $12,005.00 slaving over the fry machine at Micky Dee's or, a 22 year old drug dealer making $50K in unreported income.  Do you see a potential problem here Lilith?.

[wasp69]

Do you see a potential problem here Lilith?.

Of course it won't, and will answer you in the most pedestrian and obtuse way possible to ensure maximum continued disruption.  This poster is not serious, it holds us "lower beings" in contempt and thinks it great fun making us chase our tails.  You'll never get an answer past its sneering sarcasm and mockery of everything we hold dear.

[Chris_]

Not even the Swiss are talking about giving a check to every citizen over the age of 18.  I suspect the plan is to create a "guaranteed minimum income," i.e. if you make more than $12k/year, you get no check.  The vast majority of Americans over the age of 18 make more than $12k/year.  The program could never be as costly as your figures indicate.

-Laelth

It's a ridiculous, unworkable idea only a fool would support.

Hello, fool.

[Bad Dog]

Of course it won't, and will answer you in the most pedestrian and obtuse way possible to ensure maximum continued disruption.  This poster is not serious, it holds us "lower beings" in contempt and thinks it great fun making us chase our tails.  You'll never get an answer past its sneering sarcasm and mockery of everything we hold dear.

You're right Wasp.  I'm putting Lilith on my iggy list.....PLOINK!!!!!!

[txradioguy]

I don't believe for one second this poster didn't use this word on purpose.  Laelth is nothing more than a flame bait posting, trolling, disruptor that thinks itself clever and cute; not a very original one at that.

And it's also the same kind of crap someone like his boss on the Hill uses when referring to the U.S.  None of them are too bright.

Resurrecting two year old threads, disrupting others, purposely starting flame bait threads...  Nothing new for a smarter than everyone else liberal troll.

Well if he wants to resurrect that thread...which was a Fight Club thread that I started...I'd be happy to pick up where I left off in there.

[wasp69]

And it's also the same kind of crap someone like his boss on the Hill uses when referring to the U.S.  None of them are too bright.

Which fool hired the troll?

[txradioguy]

Which fool hired the troll?

My top two pics are either John Lewis or Hank Johnson.

[Laelth]

Let's say I'm a 18.5 year old "American" making $12,005.00 slaving over the fry machine at Micky Dee's or, a 22 year old drug dealer making $50K in unreported income.  Do you see a potential problem here Lilith?.

Certainly, a guaranteed minimum income creates incentives for some people to not work.  It also creates a way for certain people to abuse the system (and get an extra $12k on top of unreported income).  I see that.

Evidently the Swiss aren't too worried about these potential problems.  Wonder why?  We should watch how this program works out for them, given that there's no political will to do any such thing in the United States.  If it works, we might want to try something similar, and we can also learn from them how to combat the potential problems you envision.

-Laelth

[txradioguy]

Certainly, a guaranteed minimum income creates incentives for some people to not work.  It also creates a way for certain people to abuse the system (and get an extra $12k on top of unreported income).  I see that.

Evidently the Swiss aren't too worried about these potential problems.  Wonder why?  We should watch how this program works out for them, given that there's no political will to do any such thing in the United States.  If it works, we might want to try something similar, and we can also learn from them how to combat the potential problems you envision.

-Laelth

Why do you Libs always use tiny little countries with small populations?

How well would your little theory work on a country of say 310 million?

Your little utopian dreams start falling apart when you don't use such tiny countries for your example.

[Bad Dog]

Why do you Libs always use tiny little countries with small populations?

How well would your little theory work on a country of say 310 million?

Your little utopian dreams start falling apart when you don't use such tiny countries for your example.

For starters, the "Swiss" government isn't considering this and for that reason, they aren't concerned.  This is usual the progressive crap from the Swiss version of the Occupoopers.

[Mr Mannn]

Who was it who said, "Democracy can only last until people realize they can vote themselves free money."

Laelth is either stupid or evil.
Stupid to think this can work...
or
Evil for seeking to enslave millions to the govt dole, and political slavery with the democrats as their new masters.

my vote is for Evil.

[biersmythe]

HEHE its always funny how these libtard's talk about Switzerland....They wouldn't last 2 sec there or be let in. You have to own a gun and shoot WELL there. They use citizen militias, they have no standing army....so libs are out! Open carry is allowed in most places without special license. They are not allowed full auto but they are allowed with proper licence (background checks like we have here) semi-auto...etc.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland   (i know wikipedia..but same info elsewhere)

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

edit for sp.

[biersmythe]

Who was it who said, "Democracy can only last until people realize they can vote themselves free money."

Laelth is either stupid or evil.
Stupid to think this can work...
or
Evil for seeking to enslave millions to the govt dole, and political slavery with the democrats as their new masters.

my vote is for Evil.

HI5

[redwhit]

America is excellent, but it can be better.  As always, the liberal instinct is to tinker.  Try one program and see if it works.  If it does, keep it (until the problem is solved).  If it doesn't, get rid of it.  With that mind-set, it's difficult for me to say when this "gravy train" would stop.  We'd stop it, I assume, when it no longer served its intended function or if we discovered that the program's benefits are outweighed by its costs.

I am not following your "trade one for the other" line of thought.  Care to expand upon that?

-Laelth

What you just described would be great except for the reality of the situation regarding the bolded part.  When has the liberal establishment ever called for the elimination of a failed program?  The current wisdom is to pile more and more and more government on top of that failed program, apparently in the idea that if one bad idea doesn't work, three or four might work better.  The Department of Energy, created to make us energy independent during the Carter Administration, has yet to fulfill that goal but had all kinds of other stuff thrown on top of it.  Same for the Department of Education - schools are failing students but all we hear is that more money is needed.  The Great Society effectively killed the need for the family unit and the response to that in the intervening five decades has been to make it less desirable to make a family.  Even the ACA is nothing more than a blanket on top of current programs - conservatives have learned from long and painful lesson that liberals have no interest whatsoever in making government smaller or in "throwing out ideas that don't work" as you put it.

[Laelth]

What you just described would be great except for the reality of the situation regarding the bolded part.  When has the liberal establishment ever called for the elimination of a failed program?  The current wisdom is to pile more and more and more government on top of that failed program, apparently in the idea that if one bad idea doesn't work, three or four might work better.  The Department of Energy, created to make us energy independent during the Carter Administration, has yet to fulfill that goal but had all kinds of other stuff thrown on top of it.  Same for the Department of Education - schools are failing students but all we hear is that more money is needed.  The Great Society effectively killed the need for the family unit and the response to that in the intervening five decades has been to make it less desirable to make a family.  Even the ACA is nothing more than a blanket on top of current programs - conservatives have learned from long and painful lesson that liberals have no interest whatsoever in making government smaller or in "throwing out ideas that don't work" as you put it.

FDR launched a ton of programs to combat the Great Depression.  Nearly all of them are gone now.  Clinton abolished AFDC.  These things just happen.  We try stuff, and we get rid of stuff.  This dynamic does not bother me.

-Laelth

[98ZJUSMC]

FDR launched a ton of programs to combat the Great Depression.  Nearly all of them are gone now.  Clinton abolished AFDC.  These things just happen.  We try stuff, and we get rid of stuff.  This dynamic does not bother me.

-Laelth

FDR took a recession and created the Great Depression with the policies that were eventually ditched.  The economy was beginning to rebound (sound familiar?) until he decided to channel his inner Wilson.  I wonder why the Evil (R)epublicans® didn't do the same in 1920-21 with a post-WW1 depression, that started arguably far worse (by the numbers) then the 29 crash and ended withing 14 months .....but then, there was an manufactured crisis that cried out not to be wasted, huh.

Evidently the Swiss aren't too worried about these potential problems.  Wonder why?

-Laelth

They haven't voted yet.  Mind reader, too?