Ugly justifies drug use

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023432439

Oh my.

Archae (27,069 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 02:45 AM

5 Myths About Illegal Drugs You Probably Believe

BS we all KNOW to be true, but actually isn't.

#5. LSD Makes You Insane

#4. Natural Drugs Aren't as Bad for You

#3. PCP Turns Normal People Violent ... and Grants Superhuman Strength!

#2. "Crack Babies" Exist

#1. The War on Drugs Lowered Drug Use Rates

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_20561_5-myths-about-illegal-drugs-you-probably-believe.html#ixzz2bRjIUqzD

Uh, question.

Isn't Cracked a take-off of Mad magazine?

Gravitycollapse (2,720 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 02:50 AM

1. I am nearly certain that infants can be born with cocaine dependency. Ergo crack babies exist.

And then Ugly girds her loins for battle:

Warpy (70,661 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:03 AM

4. Once they withdraw from the drug

They develop normally, with deficits that can be attributed to poverty, not drugs.
 
The form of cocaine an infant has in its blood stream can't be identified as either crack or lines of powder. The name "crack baby" was only to whip up public hysteria about another thing hung around the necks of the poor that really didn't belong there in order to demonize them.

Warpy (70,661 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:08 AM

7. fortunately, it leaves quickly

and then the kid develops normally.

That's really the bottom line.

Warpy (70,661 posts)   Fri Aug 9, 2013, 02:56 AM

2. #1 is especially pernicious

I read in a medical journal (forgot which one, this was in the 90s) that the per capita number of opiate addicts had not changed from the days opiates were over the counter. Some people have funky brain chemistry and it seems they will always find the appropriate drug for self medication.
 
A longitudinal study of people who had taken LSD also concluded at about that same time. They found few differences between former trippers and their sober counterparts except that former trippers tended to gravitate to the more altruistic professions. I certainly did.
 
Personally, I don't find that a big down side to that drug but the plutocracy undoubtedly disagrees.
 
I'd rather deal with crazies high on PCP than drunks.*

In any case, the drug war was misguided when it started and is now a proven failure. The pipeline is wide open to adults and children, alike and the street drugs are unsafe, cut with trash and of questionable potency. Violent gangs are flourishing, financed by black market prices on the stuff.
 
It's time try something else.

*an outright lie.

Warpy (70,661 posts)   Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:05 AM

5. The dirty secret is that opiates are kinder to body systems

than non opiate analgesics are.

They're enormously kinder to body systems than either alcohol or tobacco.

Warpy (70,661 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:25 AM

9. I've seen a few people react badly to grass

All of them have to be evaluated as to risk versus benefit.

Most people want clear heads most of the time. After the third day postop after heart or abdominal vascular surgery, patients would try to cope without pain medication because they wanted their brains to work right, even the ones who'd gone "whee!" the first day and scared us to death. There is no reason to believe such people, the overwhelming majority of the population, would run to pharmacies for drugs unless they were in pain and needed them.
 
The drug war has been a dismal failure, but no more obviously than in the number of people who live their lives in untreated pain.

Warpy (70,661 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:58 PM

21. Pretty much

One rheumatologist in town was infamous for never prescribing pain medication. I got one of his patients one night, an elderly "failure to thrive" man with a minor cardiac problem. I saw a skinny old man writhing in bed, holding his knees.
 
I knew the rheumy was a shithead, so I called the cardiologist about it and got him some Percocet. An hour later I went into the room and he'd changed into his own PJs, was sitting up in bed doing a crossword puzzle, and asked me if there was anything to eat. He downed two boxed lunches. Failure to thrive, my ass. It was failure to get his pain treated. While he was in the hospital, he was kept comfortable on three pills a day (not a huge dose) and put on weight. Unfortunately, he was stuck with Dr. Shithead when he got home.

^^^

[GOBUCKS]

They found few differences between former trippers and their sober counterparts except that former trippers tended to gravitate to the more altruistic professions. I certainly did.

In DUmmy Warpy's case, that "altruistic profession" was drug theft, for which she is still paying the price.

[obumazombie]

Many times Justify is just a lie.

[franksolich]

In DUmmy Warpy's case, that "altruistic profession" was drug theft, for which she is still paying the price.

Ugly misunderstands the meaning of "altruistic."

There was a time when nurses were poorly paid--and this was nowhere in Ugly's time--and so it demanded sacrifice on the part of those who wanted to work in the profession, as they could've made more money working in some other job.

My mother was a classic case of this, in New York City during the 1940s.  Even though a registered nurse, she was paid less than salesgirls at Macy's department store.

That ain't true any more, nor has it been for a long time now.

Being altruistic involves sacrifice.

[Bad Dog]

But, she did help some of her patients cut down their drug use.  So, there's that.

[obumazombie]

But, she did help some of her patients cut down their drug use.  So, there's that.

Less for them means more for her, what's the downside ?

[jukin]

While he was in the hospital, he was kept comfortable on three pills a day (not a huge dose) and put on weight.

Well percocets will constipate you up something fierce so the old guy would have gained weight. He'd be almost as full of shit as the fugly DUchebag warpy.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

[67 Rover]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

No no no she does not do Cocaine she just like the smell of it.

[redwhit]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

It certainly seems to be arguing just that and, regardless of whiny marxist foolishness, there are most certainly effects on the child's development in addition to the societal ones mentioned.

However, it feels good so, by all means, do it.

[Bad Dog]

No no no she does not do Cocaine she just like the smell of it.

Warpy can't afford nose candy, she has to depend on whatever she can score from Medicade.

[franksolich]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

I wondered that myself.

It seems an odd defense of drug use.

[GOBUCKS]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

Yep, it's no big deal.

And, you know, a crack baby 0bamaite can grow up to be president.

[AprilRazz]

Warpy (70,661 posts)    Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:03 AM

4. Once they withdraw from the drug

They develop normally, with deficits that can be attributed to poverty, not drugs.
 
The form of cocaine an infant has in its blood stream can't be identified as either crack or lines of powder. The name "crack baby" was only to whip up public hysteria about another thing hung around the necks of the poor that really didn't belong there in order to demonize them.

You stupid hag, kids born addicted have plenty of problems in childhood and throughout life. There are delays in development and it really screws them up. Tell me then how is it when addicted babies that are adopted by well to do families continue to have issues then?
We have a name for people like you Warpy. PPAN, Piss Poor Assed Nurse.

[Aristotelian]

I wouldn't mind if Ugly used drugs, as long as it was in a high enough dose.

[GOBUCKS]

You stupid hag, kids born addicted have plenty of problems in childhood and throughout life. There are delays in development and it really screws them up.

The biggest problem they have is being born to a slut who used drugs during her pregnancy.

[sybilll]

4. Once they withdraw from the drug

They develop normally, with deficits that can be attributed to poverty, not drugs.

That is a bold face lie, but just as important is the revelation that the handouts we give the "poor" is enough for them to afford cocaine.  Just shot yourself in the foot there, Sparky. 

[marv]

Some drugs, like alcohol or nicotine, constrict blood vessels in the brain producing a temporary sedating effect. Others like THC (marijuana) affect the neuro-transmitters in the brain and alter the genes producing permanent damage. GOOGLE THC.

[RobJohnson]

Is it really arguing that since cocaine leaves the child's system it's OK if a mother does cocaine while pregnant?

A friend of mine did his residency in a Chicago hospital when he was finishing up medical school. He told me new mothers would leave babies at the hospital so they could go get high.  This happened a lot.

[jtyangel]

I think that moron is high herself. Does she really believe that an infant exposed to something like cocaine during brain development might not be affected in some way?they are not mature; they are developing critical human functions while in utero.  As a former nurse that she supposedly was can she please explain then why any legal medications have any sort of discouragement against pregnant, breast feeding, and even childbearing women using them if exposure to drugs just washes out of a baby's system No problem. I tend to think we play a bit of mockery and stereotyping with duers but in this case I'm starting to believe coaches assessment of the shamed and road out on the rail exnurse who was swiping meds to support a habit.

[jukin]

A friend of mine did his residency in a Chicago hospital when he was finishing up medical school. He told me new mothers would leave babies at the hospital so they could go get high.  This happened a lot.

Was that in an area that King Barky the Incompetent community organized?  Sounds like his work.

[JohnnyReb]

Was that in an area that King Barky the Incompetent community organized?  Sounds like his work.

Hey man, Barry was the one organizing the COKE parties.

[NHSparky]

Warpy can't afford nose candy, she has to depend on whatever she can score from Medicade.

Well, out in the boonies where she lives now, mescaline and shrooms are pretty easy to come by, and cheap too.  Don't forget peyote as well!

[GOBUCKS]

Well, out in the boonies where she lives now, mescaline and shrooms are pretty easy to come by, and cheap too.  Don't forget peyote as well!

I'm pretty sure she can go to a reservation and get cheap prices on any dope she wants from the noble savages of the First Nations.

[delilahmused]

My aunt and uncle are foster parents. The current babies they have now (one was only a few weeks old and the other is just over a year...brother & sister) and the 2 they had before were born to drug addicted mothers. Every single one of them has issues with health and/or delayed development. Hardly seems "normal".

Cindie