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DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« on: August 08, 2013, 02:11:34 PM »
The Pentagon is hammering out details for potential cutbacks to Basic Allowance for Housing, a change that could force nearly a million troops to pay more out-of-pocket cash for their own living expenses.

“It turns out to be a devilishly complicated thing to do,” Deputy Defense Secretary Ash Carter told Military Times in an interview Wednesday.

“There can be reductions in rates,” Carter said, as he ticked off several options for how to cut BAH. “We can look at the rates of growth and try to find ways of slowing growth. We can look at inequalities in the system depending on where you live.”

Carter headed the Pentagon’s recent Strategic Choices and Management Review, which explored ways that the Defense Department could absorb the across-the-board budget cuts known as sequestration that became law in March. The cuts amount to a roughly 10 percent reduction in military spending.

A reduction in BAH rates would be a landmark reversal of a multiyear program that DoD rolled out with much fanfare from 2001 to 2005 under which the allowance was raised to a level that theoretically covers 100 percent of off-base rental costs for all troops. Prior to that effort, troops paid an average of 20 percent of their housing costs out of pocket.

Returning to a policy of making troops pay more for their own off-base housing is one way the military is trying to carve about $50 billion in savings from its personnel budget accounts over the next decade.

The Pentagon pays about $20 billion a year in BAH to nearly one million troops. A rough estimate suggests that if troops began covering 5 percent to 10 percent of their own off-base housing costs, the Pentagon could rack up between $10 and $20 billion in savings over the next decade.

Yet such a change would likely have many ripple effects. It would likely increase competition for on-base housing, which is already in short supply in many places. And it might make some duty assignments more or less desirable based on the local cost of living.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has ordered the Joint Chiefs to consult with senior enlisted leaders and consider the impact of the proposed changes. During the “next several weeks,” the Joint Staff is expected to make a recommendation on the most palatable ways to cut compensation and health care costs, Carter said.

Other proposals involve granting smaller annual basic pay raises for troops and scaling back access to Tricare health coverage for working-age military retirees under 65.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130807/BENEFITS02/308070032/DoD-looks-ways-scale-back-BAH
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 02:14:26 PM »
Throw the deadbeats out of government housing and move the military in......I bet they take better care of the "peoples" property.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 02:21:57 PM »
Hey, Ash!

Want to know a great way to cut expenses in the DoD budget?

Since you clearly don't have the skills to manage this "devilishly complicated" thing, why don't you just submit your ****ing resignation, pack your shit, and get the **** out of the Pentagon?

Oh, and take your douchebag Assistant Deputy Defense Secretary, his/her staff and entourage, staff car, lunch perks, golf club membership, and all the other vermin with you. We could probably get a big chunk of that $20 billion we need so desperately.  :whatever:

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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 08:00:09 PM »
Am I reading this correctly, 57 billion of Defense spending goes to foreign aid ?   :confused:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbn_14bs2n_303435_152_151#usgs302

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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 09:32:09 PM »
BAH, and its predecessor BAQ/BAS/VHA are and were a weird solution to the problem of low base pay, and a rational way to approach it would be to roll allowances except for overseas COLAs into base pay, which is what some or our allies have done.  However, increasing base pay like that ain't ever gonna happen, because of all the retirees of all sorts whose pay is pegged to the base pay number.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 09:59:45 PM »
Obama said to make sequestration as painful as possible.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 07:59:10 AM »
Obama said to make sequestration as painful as possible.

And sadistically he's inflicting all the pain on the Military.

I don't even think Carter hated us this much.  Clinton loathed us...but this is borderline dereliction of duty.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 10:29:40 AM »
And sadistically he's inflicting all the pain on the Military.

I don't even think Carter hated us this much.  Clinton loathed us...but this is borderline dereliction of duty.

As moonbat crazy shitbird that he is, at least Carter served. On boats, IIRC.

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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 01:22:58 PM »
My guess is this is just the first salvo.  When folks get all upset, they will go ,back to the drawing board and cut base pay which, is what they wanted in the first place.

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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 02:07:28 PM »
My guess is this is just the first salvo.  When folks get all upset, they will go ,back to the drawing board and cut base pay which, is what they wanted in the first place.
If they cut base pay, a lot of retirees will get cut back in the process.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 03:39:27 PM »
If they cut base pay, a lot of retirees will get cut back in the process.

Which is just fine as far as this administration is concerned.
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Re: DoD looks for ways to scale back BAH
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 04:16:06 PM »
My guess is this is just the first salvo.  When folks get all upset, they will go ,back to the drawing board and cut base pay which, is what they wanted in the first place.

I wouldn't put it past them, but it's kind of at odds with the gist of the story.
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