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Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« on: May 23, 2013, 06:14:17 PM »
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Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY7:07 p.m. EDT May 23, 2013

The Boy Scouts of America voted Thursday to allow gay youth to participate in scouting. The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

"It brings the Boy Scouts back into the American mainstream," said Beth Gazley, a professor at Indiana University in Bloomington who studies non-profits.

The vote overturns a 22-year-old ban on openly gay scouts. It was based on a line from the 1911 Boy Scouts of America oath: "On my honor I will do my best….to keep myself physically strong, mentally alert and morally straight." Since 1991 the Scouts have barred openly gay individuals from participating in Scouting because it was decided that being gay was incompatible with being "morally straight."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/23/boy-scouts-gay-vote/2352077/

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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 06:25:04 PM »
Sad! Both my boys were scouts. They would not be today!
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 06:26:44 PM »
Sad! Both my boys were scouts. They would not be today!

What alternatives are there for the boys?  The girls have American Heritage Girls.

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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 06:28:32 PM »
Pandora's box ring a bell to anyone? This opens up all kinds of cans of worms.

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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 06:41:41 PM »
Someone should start a new club that don't allow fags! Fight this shit!
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 06:53:15 PM »
If I had any boys in the Scouts, I would be pulling them out.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 08:17:54 PM »
Pandora's box ring a bell to anyone? This opens up all kinds of cans of worms.

Yup. Now that they've bowed to pressure to let the queer bait into the tent, it's only a matter of time before the same pressure compels them to let the bull queers hunt their meat market. They have given in once in regard to this principle, it's only a matter of time before they're forced to grab the ankles again.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 08:22:02 PM »
Now I have to change my will. 

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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 08:28:20 PM »
I wonder what will happen to their membership.  When J C Penney started their gay advertising, their sales dropped through the floor.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/j.c.-penneys-fires-ceo-after-plummeting-sales-following-gay-ad-campaign

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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 08:42:03 PM »
My son just finished up his Eagle work. Our troop's leaders have already said that if this passed the were quitting. Our troop is 75 years old this year, it has been one of the best in our council. For the last 36 years they have taken the boys every 4 years on a 22/24 day high adventure tour of the USA with 12 days at Philmont as the high point. Backpacking, canoeing, rock climbing, you name it, once a month for a 3 day weekend they do something. They raise and lower the flag at every meeting with a scout blowing the bugle. Every quarter they have a flag disposal ceremony and once a year on flag day they hold one open to the public.......awh hell, I am about to cry.....damn liberal assholes can't allow any organization that teaches morals and decency to exist.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 08:44:27 PM »
I wonder what will happen to their membership.  When J C Penney started their gay advertising, their sales dropped through the floor.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/j.c.-penneys-fires-ceo-after-plummeting-sales-following-gay-ad-campaign



Can't tell you what this will do to enrollment, but I have already heard from the first few who had previously been generous through Friends of Scouting, and now will no longer be contributing. This will probably impact their wallet worse than if they'd just let the corporate sponsor who pushed for this take their dollies and dishes and go home.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 09:08:56 PM »
Can't tell you what this will do to enrollment, but I have already heard from the first few who had previously been generous through Friends of Scouting, and now will no longer be contributing. This will probably impact their wallet worse than if they'd just let the corporate sponsor who pushed for this take their dollies and dishes and go home.

I think it will affect it badly.  Boy Scouts is a religious based organization.  Once the LGBT crowd moves in and starts making their demands, it will no longer be an attraction to the typical members.   
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2013, 09:27:33 PM »
Can't off hand remember the numbers but if damn near killed the Canadian Boy Scouts when they went this route.

Mod to add.... http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2013/05/23/a-warning-canadian-scouts-fled-after-open-door-policy#.UZ7Q407D_IU

OneNewsNow reported: "The board of governors overseeing scouting in Canada decided to admit females, atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, bisexuals, and transsexuals into scouting." Scouting rolls dropped from 300,000 to 130,000.

"I think that this move in the United States will be similar," Rushfeldt said at the time. "It will kill the organization and, of course, that's tragic."
- See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2013/05/23/a-warning-canadian-scouts-fled-after-open-door-policy#.UZ7RiU7D_IV

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Numbers dropped over the scandal of Scouts Canada not dealing aggressively enough with the problem of predominantly married, presumably heterosexual pedophile leaders in their ranks. The drop in interest is mainly a problem within the past five years. Attendance and interest in scouting was stable throughout the mid-2000's.

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The 11 year old scouts that came into the Canadian scouts in 1999 had by the mid 2000's gotten old enough to start molesting the younger scouts and compete with the older closeted scout leader queers.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 11:42:34 PM »
What alternatives are there for the boys?  The girls have American Heritage Girls.

The alternative will probably be that each denomination will set up it's own equivalent.  I see that there's already discussion of doing that at steadfastlutherans.org, an LCMS website that our own Charles Henrickson contributes to.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 11:49:37 PM »
The alternative will probably be that each denomination will set up it's own equivalent.  I see that there's already discussion of doing that at steadfastlutherans.org, an LCMS website that our own Charles Henrickson contributes to.

I just did a quick search and there are several out there.  Don't know how big or active.  Maybe they should try to group together.

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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2013, 07:15:44 AM »
I just did a quick search and there are several out there.  Don't know how big or active.  Maybe they should try to group together.

Smaller groups, more closely aligned to the values of their sponsoring churches or civic groups, could organize joint regional/national events like the Jamboree.

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2013, 07:31:48 AM »
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2013, 07:48:19 AM »
It seems to me that these kids are too young to know if they are homos or not. So, if sex is not a big issue within the troop (which it should not be) then allowing homo kids to participate is not a big issue in most cases. However, allowing homo scout masters is another issue which would be immediately and completely intolerable. We know that this is coming soon.

The scout master and his assistant of my son's troop are great guys that I have known for awhile and they are not happy about this turn of events either. They may start participating less and less in larger district level events.

Another friend of mine was a scoutmaster for many years. One time at an event where they had an information booth, a bull dyke came up and started bitching at him about the anti-homo bigotry of the scouts. He disarmed her/him by politely telling her that since the scouts was for the children to learn how to become leaders, sex of any kind has no place in the scouts. He said that she was knocked off-guard by this because she was obviously ready for a blunt political retort. She could only muster up an, "Oh, OK." and moved on.
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2013, 07:50:18 AM »
One of our members is highly involved in Scouting. I'm awaiting his reply to this.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2013, 08:39:44 AM »
Smaller groups, more closely aligned to the values of their sponsoring churches or civic groups, could organize joint regional/national events like the Jamboree.

If I was a Scoutmaster looking at breaking away from BSA over the issue, that's what I'd do.

That might happen.  The direct denominational affiliation would make such groups less likely to bow to political pressure.
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2013, 11:19:21 AM »
It is part of the gay agenda that instead of originating groups that reflect their values they want to destroy groups that don't.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2013, 12:59:37 PM »
It may or maynot affect the individual troops, but it will affect the Boy Scout camps(especially the overnight ones)
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2013, 04:52:52 PM »
Devastating.  I have two Eagle Scouts. The Church where we raised our family in sponsored the Troop. It's 50 years old and we as a Board have decided to eliminate the Troop rather than compromise our religious beliefs(Roman Catholic). 123  Cub scouts and Boy Scouts are deciding if they want to transfer to different troops. Yet, we were called Homophobic as late as last as evening when an uninvited gay parent interrupted our meeting dissolving the troop when he brought his son in for an application to join the Troop. When advised that we were dissolving the Troop, he literally threw a hissy fit stating that he would sue us for dissolving the Troop. The example of rude and obscene language to Board members only ceased when one of the Board Members, a police officer, politely asked him to leave and escorted him from the building.

It got worse.

The "gentleman" in question then proceeded to key every car in the lot. We know this because the conference room has a large window view of the parking lot. When the police officer got out to the lot and stood behind the guy's car so he could not leave, the guy called the cops saying a hate crime was in progress. Imagine the guys face when the responding cops knew the cop and arrested the "gentleman" for assault on a police officer and destruction  of private property.

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 05:00:51 PM »
One of our members is highly involved in Scouting. I'm awaiting his reply to this.

I DIDN'T LEAVE SCOUTING, SCOUTING LEFT ME.

Sorry it's so long, but it did help getting part of this mees out.....

A little background – Started Scouting as a Cub Scout in 1951.  Went through until joining Boy Scouts, then into the now defunct Explorer Scouts [older – now n ow as Venturing Crews{by the way Crews came be co-ed}].  As an 'Adult' have been Den Leader. Webelos Leader, Cubmaster, Scoutmaster, then Unit Commissioner [UC]and Assistant District Commissioner [DE], while living up north.  While a Scoutmaster and ADC [for other units] I caught another adult in bed with a boy, kick them both out of the cabin we were in, woke up one of my Assistant Scoutmasters,  to take over and headed home on an early Sunday morning, contacting the then DE and DC, to report incident.  They informed me that “Volunteers are hard to come by, we'll watch him”.  Well they didn't do a good job, because about 2-3 weeks later his jealous 'boyfriend' invited some scouts over to their house for a 'movie'.  The boyfriend made advances to one of the scout who refused, so he shot him in the head, killing him.  For years I've wondered if I had done more, would that boy still be alive, but it was time to walk away from scouting.

Since living here in Alabama, I started as the Organizational Rep. between scouting and my church.  Two years later I was talked into coming back as a Unit Commissioner, then my District Executive [paid professional] promoted me to District Commissioner [ must be approved by a Council vote].  When my DE was promoted I had a new DE come and he only lasted 4 months before quitting [ to hard of a job I guess], so I finished the rest of the year running a district of approx. 1200 scouts and 400 adults, as a volunteer.  Shortly after we got a new DE, I decided 3 years was long enough at that job, recommend a man I recruited and trained as my replacement. [Note; he's been doing a great job].  I stepped back as a Assistant District Commissioner [ADC] and took over as the Advancement Chairman and Eagle Chairman for the district.

With all that said I think I have a bit of a scout background, so now to the present.
About 3 months ago National headquarters was bullied into 'possibly' changing their policy and allowing gays into scouting. And in their 'pea pecking' mind they agreed to poll  scouting throughout the nation.  About a month ago they came up with the idea – keep 'Adult' homosexuals out, but don't question the boys [unfair to not give boys a chance was the mantra].  So they can stay in scouting until 18, then they are out – well 18 has always been the 'drop dead' date for 'boys in' scouting. My question is and was – since young boys{ and the 8-11 year olds haven't really matured} but look up to the older scouts { 15-18} that ARE in full bloom, and  isn't camping together in tents an 'accident looking for a place to happen.  I mean for years scouting as made 'Youth Protection' classes [renewable every two years] mandatory for ALL adults in scouting, but nothing for the boys. They use the phrase “two deep” meaning there must ALWAYS be two adults in the presence of one or more scouts.  But lets not worry about this small stuff. [SACASAM]
 The national poll showed overwhelmingly that the change was not wanted, but I guess the 1400 voting delegates  didn't have time to read the months of banter going an almost daily, or could it be that the honorary BSA President [you can guess who that is] wanted the change, even though two years ago the Supreme Court rejected the gay movement from joining Boy Scouts, - because it was a privately owned, non-government funded organization, that had the right to control it's membership and leadership.

Well yesterday at 5:00 the results were made known, and by a 61% [chuckelhead] vote the change was finished, to take effect Jan. 1, 2014.  On a personal note, by 5:10 PM I received confirmation and by 5:20 PM my three calls of resignation were complete, and my formal letter started and since sent.
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Re: Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2013, 05:11:54 PM »
I don't have the pedigree that Rusty and Reagan have, but since my mother pinned on my Eagle Scout medal in September 1970, I've had a warm place in my heart for the organization.

I served briefly as an assistant scoutmaster after I retired from the Army.

Let me say without reservation that in no way, shape or form, will I have anything more to do with the Boy Scouts of America. The leadership of that august organization utterly failed to listen to the very members that keep that body in a job, so they will no doubt pay a price.

But since boys are completely confused about sex anyway, public and personal pressure will no doubt compel some of them to smoke a dick. I feel sorry for those kids -- they truly don't know anything about sex, about life, about themselves, but they're going to "try" faggotry like somebody tries a Heath bar.

Disgusting and disheartening, but I refuse to believe that the faggots have completely taken over my country.

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