http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3430841It must be Hell to be a primitive.
Nothing makes the primitives happy.
nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:14 PM
Original message
Speaker Pelosi Must Be Removed For Her Illegal Position on Impeachment Investigation.....after which blah-blah-blah, the usual primitive talking points
Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. No argument here.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #1
99. 'it would fail' she is so full of shit. I loathe her and have since 2006
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. Support the woman running against her, Golub for San Francisco
And Impeachment!!
mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. The primary is over, I presume Pelosi won
he opponent will now be Cindy Sheehan (I)
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
51. Sorry about that. Gosh you are right.
I'm so happy about the Obama nomination status that a huge portion of my brain is on hiatus.
The above primitive comments show the primitives' heads as usual being on their usual hiatus.
It's a very big bonfire.
The nocturnally foul one's bud engages with the magisterial one:
Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #159
162. Golub is a Democrat running for Congress.
I fully support every Dem running against every incumbent. If the seat is currently occupied by a Republican, we want the strongest Dem running. If the seat is currently occupied by a Dem, let's replace them at the primary level with a strong Democrat.
If we really want change in Washington D.C., we have to start RIGHT NOW. They all must go. No exceptions.
The Magistrate DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #162
168. Not Any More, Sir: The Primary Is Over
Ms. Golub got only a very slim percentage of the vote. The fact is that Speaker Pelosi is very popular in her district, and among Democrats at large throughout the country.
Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #168
170. My mistake, and my apologies.
Although I support Speaker Pelosi in her quest for re-election, I hope that someday we take the opportunity to make some real changes in Congress.
Hmmm. The buzzy one wants Republicans to take back Congress, apparently.
And then Doug's ex-wife babbles after the deep fat frying primitive comments:
FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. 'Impeachment is off the table' does not equal 'I refuse to impeach whatever the evidence'.
She didn't violate her oath by stating that the impeachment of Bush/Cheney is 'off her table' (in other words, not on the agenda she has for running the House).
It's not on her table. It's ludicrous to suggest that she can't say that without 'abdicating her responsibility as Speaker of the House'. In fact, if she came out gung-ho and said 'We're gonna impeach Bush', THAT would be a violation of her responsibility.
It is the House's responsibility, not Pelosi's, to wield the power of impeachment.
When the groundswell, the hearings and the evidence all collide in Congress, then she can play her part as you envision it.
Not before.
sfexpat2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. That's exactly what it equals.
And for you to say the House can move without Pelosi is just dishonest.
FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. That's not what I said. And the House IS moving already-you may have noticed Wexler and Kucinich...?
What exactly are you arguing here?
sfexpat2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. That for Nancy take take impeachment "off the table" is exactly an abdication of her duties as a Member. She's essentially saying, let's not try this murder because we're putting in a better DA in the Fall and he will be on our side. That's neither justice nor democracy and, it's probably illegal.
We've seen this movie before in the run up to the war. There was plenty of dissent. Plenty of experts speaking out against, millions in the streets and all over the world. The history has been revised to "no one knew".
That's exactly how the issue of Bush's crimes will be revised. "No one knew how bad he was". Watch.
FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. No, she's saying "I won't schedule a trial". Because she hasn't seen a motion to impeach in the HJC.
After which a long argument between the deep fat frying primitive and Doug's ex-wife; one can reasonably assume who wins.
And then this startling historical fact pops up:
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-11-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
86. Should Truman have been impeached for nationalizing the steel mills?
After all, it was held unconsitutional?
And should FDR have been impeached for ordering the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII -- it was held consitutional then, but a different court might see it differently.
The power to impeach is discretionary --- it is conferred on the House and it is solely up to the House to decide whether and when to exercise it. No other branch of government can force it to act. Just as no other branch of government can tell the Senate whether to convict or not. And the decision by the Senate to convict or not convict isn't appealable.
The process is essentially political, which is what happens when elected officials are given discretionary power.
It is up the voters to force the issue by demanding that their representative act. And guess what? The public isn't demanding impeachment. They are worrying about $5 gas, a shitty war that needs to end, about not having adequate health care, about their jobs.
Harry Truman nationalized the steel mills?
I thought he threatened to "federalize" the railways and have the National Guard run the trains when the railway unions were on strike.
Clement Attlee in Britain however nationalized the British steel mills about this very same time; they were losing money, and the stockholders wanted the mills off their hands, so the British taxpayers bought the mills.
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 01:07 AM
Response to Original message
132. Four for the pseudolegal arguments:
Two for the outright ignorance of House politics:
Five for comparing Nancy Pelosi to Nuremberg war criminals:
And twelve for suggesting an outright coup to reallocate power.
Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
155. Yet another distraction. The entire Democratic Party is ADD.
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #155
158. Actually, I think it's just the ones here.
I'm hoping the rest of the country is more sensible.
Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-12-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #158
161. You are correct: I shouldn't impose on the population at large the behavior observed at DU.
