Primitives Pissed Over Protocol

[J P Sousa]

My doctor told me a DNR is not necessarily followed depending on the people involved.

[delilahmused]

Until we complete an EMT class we are not to render first aid.

And no one can bring suit because you DIDN'T do anything? It would be thrown out? No qualified ambulance chasing attorney would take that case?

Cindie

[AprilRazz]

Is that part of your Good Sam law, or part of the laws for your professional licensure? In NE and MO, where I was licensed as a paramedic, that immunity was part of our licensing laws. My liability insurance provider was very clear about what it would and would not cover.

Samey-same on Army vs. civilian training. I could insert a chest tube as a 91B, but could only do needle chest decompression as a civilian paramedic; also blade vs. needle crichothyrotomy. I was hell on wheels with external jugular lines, since I had ten years' experience before I graduated from paramedic school!

It is covered if you are not at work and to an extent licensing when you are. IE break ribs doing compressions. I was allowed to do much more as a Corpsman than I can now as a nurse and I still have to step back sometimes and tell myself "You are not allowed to do that anymore"
But I am still wondering if CPR was even warranted in this situation. Hard to say from the article.

[Celtic Rose]

Also, in some states if you have not been trained in CPR and you perform CPR, you may not be protected from litigation. 

[GOBUCKS]

I can understand someone being hesitant to use a defibrillator, or even to start chest compressions, but I don't understand how anyone could simply stand by and watch someone die without trying to help in some way.

As I asked in an earlier post, do you stand there and watch a car wreck victim bleed out, or do you apply pressure to the wound? I think I'd rather be sued or fired than to do that.

I hope the name of that nursing home company and of the unconcerned, cool, calm, and collected beast who was on the phone get into the headlines.

[Zathras]

840high (297 posts)

7. What if there

was a DNR order?

If there was a DNR in place, then why did they call 911?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

A friend of mine from grade school and high school was staying at his parents' house a few years ago when his father woke him up--his mother had stopped breathing.  Well, Greg started to do CPR, and actually broke a few of his mother's ribs while performing it.  It didn't revive her.

I'd guess a significant part was the time between when the patient stopped breathing and when CPR was begun. The number of minutes you get are single-digit. and past 5 minutes permanent damage sets in.

Even if you witness the patient go down, activate the EMS and begin CPR with AED assistance the odds of survival are scant.

... I think I'd rather be sued or fired than to do that.

I have an acquaintance who had a gun pulled on him. He got the better of the would-be mugger and walked away.

But he was also an EMT.

They called it "abandonment."

He lost his EMT, did time as a felon, lost the right to own a gun, lost his secuity clearance.

They destroyed him. He now works as a maintenance technician.

There is a broad chasm between the law and justice and the law is very eager to prove itself.

[RobJohnson]

The whole story is bullshit. Family members have said the patient picked this facility because they did not have emergency medical care.

Suck it DUmmies.

Nonetheless, Bayless' family said it was her desire to forgo resuscitation efforts and that she died of natural causes, which her family said was her "greatest wish." The family said it has no intentions of suing the company or seeking punishment for its workers.

"They wish no hardship on those who were witnesses," said Sonja Eddings Brown, a spokeswoman for the family. "It is natural for there to be an appropriate investigation, and if Lorraine's death helps other families to learn from it or prepare for the future, then not only was her life a great blessing, but in some small way her passing too

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http://news.yahoo.com/cops-no-charges-homes-refusal-cpr-023656608.html

[thundley4]

The whole story is bullshit. Family members have said the patient picked this facility because they did not have emergency medical care.

Suck it DUmmies.


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http://news.yahoo.com/cops-no-charges-homes-refusal-cpr-023656608.html

That quote from the family should be the end of it.

[GOBUCKS]

That quote from the family should be the end of it.

Not at all. The nurse who stood by and let the lady die didn't know about any discussion the old lady may or may not have had with her famiily; there was no DNR.

The family may have been pissed that the old lady was burning through their inheritance.

Nothing makes the nurse any less inhuman.

[thundley4]

That quote from the family should be the end of it.

Not at all. The nurse who stood by and let the lady die didn't know about any discussion the old lady may or may not have had with her famiily; there was no DNR.

The family may have been pissed that the old lady was burning through their inheritance.

Nothing makes the nurse any less inhuman.

The family and the person that died knew the policy and were satisfied with it.  It was , IMO a way of having a DNR .

Nonetheless, Bayless' family said it was her desire to forgo resuscitation efforts and that she died of natural causes, which her family said was her "greatest wish." The family said it has no intentions of suing the company or seeking punishment for its workers.

OTOH as the family said, this case allows others at the facility to fully understand their policy.