We have a "right" to own guns, but not a right to health care, food, shelter, c

[Chris_]

Careful, JB... those are fighting words.

Expecting you to be self-sufficient and responsible is how the Man keeps you down.

[Zeus]

The Bill of No Rights
Courtesy of Lewis W. Napper

We, the sensible of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden delusional, and other liberal, commie, pinko bedwetters.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.

ARTICLE I

You do not have the right to a new car, big-screen color TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II

You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III

You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all of your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV

You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V

You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI

You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and kill you.

ARTICLE VII

You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII

You do not have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.

ARTICLE IX

You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE X

You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those around you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

Copyright - Lewis W. Napper. All Rights Reserved

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Hugabear (9,503 posts)

We have a "right" to own guns, but not a right to health care, food, shelter, clothing, employment


 
Seems to me there's something seriously wrong with this picture.

And there's definitely something fundamentally wrong when you have a large portion of the country that would threaten a civil war over their "right" to own semi-automatic assault weapons, but gets equally pissed off at the mere thought of guaranteeing everyone health coverage

Once again confusing rights with responsibilities.You are responsible for feeding,clothing,buying your own health insurance and protecting yourself and your family.Why that is so confusing to them still amazes me.

[Conservative Libertarian]

The Bill of No Rights
Courtesy of Lewis W. Napper

Hi5. An oldie but a goodie.

[Gina]

Holy shit!    I bet he got slammed

JohnnyBoots (2,780 posts)
3. When the Second Amendment was written

people did not rely on the government for healthcare, food, shelter, clothing or employment. They were industrious and self reliant.

[Rebel]

kestrel91316 (43,157 posts)

78. We now have our military and National Guard to protect us from outside

treats and law enforcement to protect us from each other. So there is no earthly need for individuals to be armed to the teeth.

We have laws and courts (though teabaggers want an end to them, too) to keep people from taking your stuff from you. I don't suppose it has ever occurred to gun nutters to exercise their legal rights via our justice system. They seem to want to solve ALL of life's little problems by waving and firing their guns and killing anyone who frightens them.

What a bunch of sissy two-year-olds.

So did the Germans, dickhead. You're too damned stupid to understand the issue at hand. Go sit in the corner with your crayons and Bluehorse paper, DUmbass.

[BannedFromDU]

     It is very simple, DUmbasses:

     IF YOU HAVE TO GET IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO IT.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

     It is very simple, DUmbasses:

     IF YOU HAVE TO GET IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO IT.

High five.

[Rebel]

    It is very simple, DUmbasses:

     IF YOU HAVE TO CONFISCATE IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO IT.

Just to clarify. Lurking DUmbasses will make the stupid ass argument, "well, you don't build your own guns; you get them from someone else" /DUmmie.

They're not smart enough to deduce between the two.

[Karin]

OMG!

Response to Hugabear (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:58 PM
Yo_Mama (2,826 posts)
94. Totally messed up analogy

You don't have any more of right to own guns than you do to health care, food, shelter, clothing and employment. Less, in fact.

Absolutely no one is going to buy a gun for you if you claim poverty, but we do have programs to fund health care, food, and shelter for the poor. We also have a lot of charities that even try to raise funds for clothing, as well as some basic welfare programs that do provide some living money that can be used to buy necessities such as clothing (although darned little).

Unless you are a felon or fall into a few other categories, you have the right to buy most types of guns. You also have the right to buy food, rent a place, buy clothing, and find a job if you can get one.

We have laws on the books preventing people from discriminating against a lot of people for renting and employment, because of past sad history. So one could argue that you have more of a legal right to shelter and employment than you do to own a gun. You really do have more of a right to all of the things you say we don't have a right to than you do to own a gun. A felon cannot be prohibited from buying food or clothing, for example.

Most of the "rights" in our Constitution are either due-process based or negative rights - i.e. the government can't prevent you from this or that, but that doesn't mean the government is obligated to fund the thing or activity to which you have a right.

What this person and JohnnyBoots said made perfect sense to me (they both really should escape).  The DUmmies just sneer at them, "nice freeper talking point, troll." 

Response to Hugabear (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:18 PM
 Flatpicker (507 posts)
130. Just seems like

The Constitution hasn't kept up with the times.

I wonder if we had good organized healthcare back then, if it would have been considered a right?
Or would that fall under the general "no shit, common sense" and that's why it was forgotten?

God, they're dumb.  Doc set your leg or removed the bullet or pulled the teeth.  You paid Doc. 

And they always devolve into this:

Response to Flatpicker (Reply #130)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:52 PM
 randome (9,334 posts)
134. A lot of other things should be on the list as indispensible 'rights'.

And if we pared back the military and closed a few thousand loopholes, we'd have money enough to guarantee these things to everyone. (Well, maybe encourage less population, too.)

In a perfect world, every household would have the following (provided they were wanted):
A computer.
A cell phone.
A car.
Air conditioning.
A television.
A refrigerator.
A stove.
An iPod or other music device.

Seriously, that's the minimum I would provide everyone with if I was in charge of the country.

And people/media were up in arms when Rush said that the electorate had elected Santa Claus!  He was exactly right! 

Response to Hugabear (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:15 PM
 Jamaal510 (2,109 posts)
140. I'm about to post this exact same question on Yahoo Answers

and see what the wingnuts have to say about it.

Oh!  Let's go look for it.

[USA4ME]

I trolled on some LW board years ago and this topic came up; that the USA should provide food, shelter, clothing, and healthcare for everyone regardless of your ability to pay.  The premis was that with these necessities in life no longer a concern, people could work productively knowing that no matter what happened they could always have the basics.  Of course this would all be provided for by tax receipts.

I said that was great, that I was an accountant, but I really wanted to be a novelist.  If we had that type of society then I could quit my job knowing that I would have the basics and could spend the next 10-20 years working on my novel.  Well, this wouldn't do.  Why, I asked?  Well, I'd be sucking from society and not contributing anything back.  Not at first, I said, but when my novel was published then the sales would generate taxable income.  But even then, if my novel bombed and it didn't make anything, I could learn from my experiences and spend the next 10-20 years writing my next novel and get it right.  No, no, no.  That just wouldn't do in their world.  I had to stay an accountant.

Of course, they never could tell me who would stop me or anyone else who decided to do the same thing.  Libs are very consistent at not thinking things through to the end.

.

[miskie]

They really don't understand what the BOR is, do they ?

The Bill of Rights is not a list of things that Government provides, but is a list of things that Government can't interfere with. Its purpose is to safeguard the citizens of the United States from overreaching federal policies.  

[Chris_]

the USA should provide food, shelter, clothing, and healthcare for everyone regardless of your ability to pay. 

They have those now... they're called prisons. 

You'll have about the same amount of freedom, too.

[GOBUCKS]

I'm voting for DUmmy randome!

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:52 PM
randome (9,334 posts)
134. A lot of other things should be on the list as indispensible 'rights'.

And if we pared back the military and closed a few thousand loopholes, we'd have money enough to guarantee these things to everyone. (Well, maybe encourage less population, too.)

In a perfect world, every household would have the following (provided they were wanted):
A computer.
A cell phone.
A car.
Air conditioning.
A television.
A refrigerator.
A stove.
An iPod or other music device.

Seriously, that's the minimum I would provide everyone with if I was in charge of the country.

I need a new refrigerator, and if DUmmy randome were in charge, I could save nearly two thousand bucks.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Hugabear (9,503 posts)

We have a "right" to own guns, but not a right to health care, food, shelter, clothing, employment


 
Seems to me there's something seriously wrong with this picture.

The distinction isn't difficult for anyone possessed of an IQ above 85 to figure out, you big fat prancer.  You're free to buy and keep any gun you can afford and is otherwise legal.  The same is true of your food, shelter, and healthcare - if you can afford it, you can have it.

 

[MrsSmith]

I'm thinking this needs phrased properly.

We have a right to own guns, which the individual pays for.

We have a right to access to health care, which the individual pays for.

We have a right to food, which the individual pays for.

We have a right to shelter, which the individual pays for.

We have a right to clothing, which the individual pays for.

We have a right to employment opportunities, which the individual looks for.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing where the right to own a firearm is superior to all these other rights.


 

[MrsSmith]

randome (9,334 posts)
134. A lot of other things should be on the list as indispensible 'rights'.

And if we pared back the military and closed a few thousand loopholes, we'd have money enough to guarantee these things to everyone. (Well, maybe encourage less population, too.)

In a perfect world, every household would have the following (provided they were wanted):
A computer. Without internet access?  Or is that "free," too?
A cell phone. Without a usage plan?  Or is that "free," too?
A car. Without gasoline?  Or is that "free," too?
Air conditioning. Without an electric bill?  Or is that "free," too?
A television. Without cable service?  Or is that "free," too?
A refrigerator. Without electricty and food?  Or are those "free," too?
A stove. Without gas or electric?  Or is that "free," too?
An iPod or other music device. Without itunes?  Or is that "free," too?

Seriously, that's the minimum I would provide everyone with if I was in charge of the country.

Seriously, randome (and other lurkers), your votes will make the cost of running your A/C, filling your fridge, driving your car, and everything else climb in cost tremendously.  Lord O has already started closing power plants, and his policies have badly damaged our ability to obtain oil on all public land.  You can give everyone all this junk, but it won't help if there is no energy to run them all.  

[GOBUCKS]

I still want that fridge.

And DUmmy randome forgot to include a vacation.

[Maxiest]

randome (9,334 posts)
134. A lot of other things should be on the list as indispensible 'rights'.

And if we pared back the military and closed a few thousand loopholes, we'd have money enough to guarantee these things to everyone. (Well, maybe encourage less population, too.)

In a perfect world, every household would have the following (provided they were wanted):
A computer. Without internet access?  Or is that "free," too?
A cell phone. Without a usage plan?  Or is that "free," too?
A car. Without gasoline?  Or is that "free," too?
Air conditioning. Without an electric bill?  Or is that "free," too?
A television. Without cable service?  Or is that "free," too?
A refrigerator. Without electricty and food?  Or are those "free," too?
A stove. Without gas or electric?  Or is that "free," too?
An iPod or other music device. Without itunes?  Or is that "free," too?

Seriously, that's the minimum I would provide everyone with if I was in charge of the country.

I really really pray this is a troll, because if the voters have become this stupid we are ****ed.

[Carl]

I still want that fridge.

And DUmmy randome forgot to include a vacation.

Don`t forget free delivery of a dime bag whenever the supply has run out.

[txradioguy]

I really really pray this is a troll, because if the voters have become this stupid we are ****ed.

Sadly I don't believe its a troll.

Remember...63% of the country thinks its Bush's fault the economy is the way it is.

This DUmmie is part of that same group of low information voters.

[I_B_Perky]

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:52 PM
randome (9,334 posts)
134. A lot of other things should be on the list as indispensible 'rights'.

And if we pared back the military and closed a few thousand loopholes, we'd have money enough to guarantee these things to everyone. (Well, maybe encourage less population, too.)

In a perfect world, every household would have the following (provided they were wanted):
A computer.
A cell phone.
A car.
Air conditioning.
A television.
A refrigerator.
A stove.
An iPod or other music device.

Seriously, that's the minimum I would provide everyone with if I was in charge of the country.

You do have a "right" to acquire those things... but only if YOU pay for them. Once you start taking money from other people to provide you with those things then it is no longer a right, but theft.

I'll play though dummie. I have a right to half your weed. Give it up!!!! I have a right to make you cut my grass. Get yer ass over here and start cutting. Give me a few minutes and I can come up with lots more!!!
 
See how that works, dummie?

[Skul]

They have the right to provide for themselves. Nothing more.

[BlueStateSaint]

They have the right to provide for themselves. Nothing more.

Let's adjust that a tad, shall we?

They have the right to provide for themselves with their own sweat and labor--not taking anyone else's stuff. Nothing more.

There!

[ColonelCarrots]

You're getting your privileges in my rights... no you're getting your rights into my privileges.