Uh-oh...profile of shooter developing...not good for DUmmies.

[jtyangel]

The present system of interventions lies with the public school districts which fail these children daily.  It's a poor system.  With proper interventions everyone has a chance.     

Front loading intense interventions in the early years yields the best long term outcomes.  <---  the entire foundation of early intervention.    I could write a book.

As the mother of someone severly autistic though, I can tell you in some cases they give false hope and the expense of the more intensive ones are not something most families can bear.

[jtyangel]

Oh and as far of the autism spectrum goes - if you meet one child with the diagnosis of autism, then you have met one child.    Every child is different and presents differently.    That is why it is a spectrum.

If he does have aspies, I would doubt this is the reason for these acts.  He most likely had a co-diagnosis, which when coupled with autism makes it near impossible to effectively treat.    The exposure to guns, violent movies and games would be therefore detrimental to someone like this.    I have no facts, but my eyebrow is raised in parents direction.

I will hold judgment however.

That's a good point about the exposure to certain things. I had thought to include that but I think sometimes parents of aspies tend to take for granted that becaue they have more normal interactions they are capable of doing and seeing the things a normally developing child would. Mine is severely autistic and I don't let him watch or play anything with violent themes. I just see him mimic in speach and sometimes action what he sees like on America Funniest Videos that I don't think it's wise. Developmentally he's not there and I think his being severe is a helpful reminder because of his behavior that it's not a good choice. I can see someone with an asperger's child overlooking that because they are more functioning and maybe allowing things not appropriate for that child.

[blitzkrieg_17]

That's a good point about the exposure to certain things. I had thought to include that but I think sometimes parents of aspies tend to take for granted that becaue they have more normal interactions they are capable of doing and seeing the things a normally developing child would. Mine is severely autistic and I don't let him watch or play anything with violent themes. I just see him mimic in speach and sometimes action what he sees like on America Funniest Videos that I don't think it's wise. Developmentally he's not there and I think his being severe is a helpful reminder because of his behavior that it's not a good choice. I can see someone with an asperger's child overlooking that because they are more functioning and maybe allowing things not appropriate for that child.

I don't know much about autism but that alone would not make a person do this. This is the work of an evil, psychopathic individual.

[jtyangel]

I don't know much about autism but that alone would not make a person do this. This is the work of an evil, psychopathic individual.

That is true. AFter all the mental health discussions, I too will give there is evil in the world. Terrible evil.

[formerlurker]

As the mother of someone severly autistic though, I can tell you in some cases they give false hope and the expense of the more intensive ones are not something most families can bear.

The system is set up for school districts to bear the costs, and give health insurance a pass.   Autism Speaks spends a great deal of time and money bringing autism mandates to state legislation (which has passed in a great deal of states), but for the most part it remains a poor system. 

Good school systems develop outstanding programs, other schools systems just babysit the developmentally disabled.    It makes me want to scream as every child has the ability to learn.   

[dutch508]

Skidmore (28,242 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021991538

MSNBC just reported that this man's mother was a "survivalist" type
concerned with economic collapse and other such ideas. She stockpiled. Explains all the guns. They were talking to the kid's aunt, not sure whether paternal or maternal. She said he was a "good kid."

Watch out. DU is changing the meme... the guy was obviously a right wing tea bagger!!!

frazzled (8,454 posts)
9. A survivalist ...

living in a fairly tony small town, on $250K per year alimony, in a 3000 sf house? In freaking Connecticut?

Obviously a 1% RWNut!!!

bigdarryl (8,796 posts)
13. She sounds so REPUBLICAN

[Chris_]

bigdarryl (8,796 posts)
13. She sounds so REPUBLICAN

[dutch508]

It's started...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021991679

senseandsensibility (11,273 posts)

Anyone shocked that the shooter's mother was a rich gun fantatic and not a teacher?
The average person will believe that an irresponsible public school teacher left guns around her unstable son forever. It is too late to unring that bell. But the reality is a public school teacher did not do that.

Honeycombe8 (15,131 posts)
1. What makes you think she was rich? Even if Mom had been a teacher....

that doesn't mean that being a teacher was in any way related to the cause of why the guy did it. It wouldn't matter if she were a teacher, and it doesn't matter that she wasn't.

Her having those odd guns is no doubt related to the cause. Very odd for her to have a glock. I think most people are even more surprised because she's female.

Glock is one of the most popluar handguns in the world. Why would it be odd to have one?

sufrommich (12,899 posts)
2. They showed her massive house in a tony neighborhood too. So much for that whole "we need better access to mental health care in this country" argument. It certainly looked liked it would have been affordable to her.

[dutch508]

And they are off!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021991469

Horse with no Name (30,310 posts)

Strange little things coming out in this..
These are just quotes I have heard on MSNBC today.

"Nancy Lanza was passionate about guns"

"Nancy Lanza had many guns because she 'feared' a government takeover"....


Those comments are a little bit "out there"...but not unlike many of my own neighbors.

This is what happens when the likes of rushfauxbeckco terrorize these people...they hoard guns and ammunition, and although many times it ends up solely being used against the owners of the guns, what happened in Connecticut shows that their hoards can be used against any and all of us if they fall into the wrong hands.

 

They cannot let it not be about politics.

Lionessa (3,281 posts)
2. and she apparently didn't think well of her

formal dressing, pocket protector nerd of a son, Adam, based on some of the neighboring classmates of Adam's from a few years ago.

Sounds to me like clashing forms of mental illness. She seems to be summing up to a raging nutjob, and he trying really hard to be her exact opposite and simply lost it. I wonder if she was actively bullying him about his sissy-ness when he turned the guns on her?

Some people shouldn't be parents. And yes, I'm just bizarre enough to think if we really cared about our populace, having children should be regulated. We all know people who have children that they've terribly screwed up or screwed over, and should never have ever been allowed to raise anyone. Oh, and some of these folks are teachers, my mother was. my dad was a doctor, so they are everywhere, these horrid, abusive, neglectful, hateful parents who cause young men like Adam to lose it.

tularetom (16,776 posts)
3. Sounds plausible but why go and shoot 20 kids?

There had to be something else going on with him besides his mom's disapproval. Even if she was a full on nut job he could have shot her and let it go at that.

I suspect something happened to him at that school years ago that made him go back there.

[Skul]

PMSNBC is their source?? 
That place is about as reliable as gNads getting something right.

[USA4ME]

FYI, apart from this discussion, Asperger's has been moved from the autism spectrum for a few years now by doctors and pshychiatrist.  Now if you go to various sources you'll see they still call it part of an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), but it's been viewed as it own thing for a while.  It was initially placed in with autism because Dr's didn't really know where it should go.

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[formerlurker]

FYI, apart from this discussion, Asperger's has been moved from the autism spectrum for a few years now by doctors and pshychiatrist.  Now if you go to various sources you'll see they still call it part of an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), but it's been viewed as it own thing for a while.  It was initially placed in with autism because Dr's didn't really know where it should go.

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It is recognized as autism in the autism community (and always has been), and the diagnosis has been completely eliminated in DSM-V, as has PDD-NOS.   It is all autism now, as it should be.

Autism is a spectrum.   You don't base treatment on the disorder, your base it on the specific delays of the individual child. 

[Freeper]

And yes, I'm just bizarre enough to think if we really cared about our populace, having children should be regulated. We all know people who have children that they've terribly screwed up or screwed over, and should never have ever been allowed to raise anyone.

What could possibly go wrong if this happened?
The DUmmies would take away kids who are made to go to church and learn about the "sky daddy".
Teach your kid to fish and hunt and they will take your kid away.
Vote Republican and they will take your kid away.
Now if you happen to be a male panther trapped in a woman's body and she managed to have a kid I suspect she would be a fine parent according to the DUmp.

 

[Duke Nukum]

bigdarryl (8,796 posts)
13. She sounds so REPUBLICAN

Well then, you should be happy she's dead.

Oh, and by the way, **** YOU, DUmbNutz!

[USA4ME]

Not with my daughter anymore.  She's diagnosed with Asperger's but is no longer considered part of the traditional autism spectrum by her doctors.  This is the diagnosis she received from Dr. Mel Levine who was a Professor of Pediatrics at the University of North Carolina Medical School in Chapel Hill.  It didn't drastically change the special services she receives for education, but it did define it more accurately for her needs.  Maybe this is a NC thing because this state has been on the leading edge of this, for which I'm thankful.

I am aware that the American Psychiatric Association is dropping the term "Asperger's disorder" from their revised manual due out in May and dropping just about everything under ASD making it an umbrella disgnosis.

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In a separate issue and directed towards everyone, here's some good info in relation to the tragic incident yesterday:

Autism Society: No Linkage Between Autism and Planned Violence

December 15, 2012
By Autism Society

Yesterday, 26 people lost their lives through the acts of a single person. These 26 people were children, teachers, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters.  Today, their families are experiencing grief that can't be described.  Our thoughts and prayers are with all those impacted by yesterday's tragic shooting.
 
This morning, many news outlets are reporting the shooter was on the autism spectrum.  This has not been officially confirmed.  These reports imply that autism might have had an impact on the person's mindset leading to the shootings.  
 
There is absolutely no evidence or any reliable research that suggests a linkage between autism and planned violence.   To imply or suggest that some linkage exists is wrong and is harmful to more than 1.5 million law abiding, non-violent  and wonderful individuals who live with autism each day.  Stereotyping an entire group of individuals because of the actions of one individual is wrong and unacceptable.  
 
Please do not judge any individual with autism based on what is being said about a killer of innocent children and teachers.  Rather, our nation's attention must be focused on being there for the children and teachers whose lives were lost yesterday.

http://www.autism-society.org/news/autism-society-no-linkage.html

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[formerlurker]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?_r=0

No one knows yet what his diagnosis is, if he even had one.   This article states he was very bright and had no friends.   

That could be just about anything.    I look at his picture and it really makes me sad.   Such a horrific tragedy.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Lionessa (3,281 posts)
2. and she apparently didn't think well of her

formal dressing, pocket protector nerd of a son, Adam, based on some of the neighboring classmates of Adam's from a few years ago.

Sounds to me like clashing forms of mental illness. She seems to be summing up to a raging nutjob, and he trying really hard to be her exact opposite and simply lost it. I wonder if she was actively bullying him about his sissy-ness when he turned the guns on her?

Soooo, are yew sayin' he was a ho-moe?

 

[delilahmused]

Star Member Cetacea (5,676 posts)

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Let the discrimination against the mentally ill begin. A PSA on mental illness and violence
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar,and evil is just evil.


Fact 1: The vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent. (no more so than the general population)


Fact 2: The public is misinformed about the link between mental illness and violence.


Fact 3: Inaccurate beliefs about mental illness and violence lead to widespread stigma and discrimination


Fact 4: The link between mental illness and violence is promoted by the entertainment and news media. (and pundits)


"The effects of stigma and discrimination are profound. The President’s New Freedom Commission on Mental Health found that, “Stigma leads others to avoid living, socializing, or working with, renting to, or employing people with mental disorders - especially severe disorders, such as schizophrenia. It leads to low self-esteem, isolation, and hopelessness. It deters the public from seeking and wanting to pay for care. Responding to stigma, people with mental health problems internalize public attitudes and become so embarrassed or ashamed that they often conceal symptoms and fail to seek treatment (New Freedom Commission, 2003).”

Oh **** you! No one is going to start believing all people with a mental illness would do something like this. But then you're a Democrat so that makes you stupid , angry, prejudice and paranoid. This guy was evil, whatever illness he had is irrelevant. Even most sociopaths and/or other personality disorders, don't do this kind of shit. Heck many of them go into politics, just look at the current CinC.

Cindie

[delilahmused]

The present system of interventions lies with the public school districts which fail these children daily.  It's a poor system.  With proper interventions everyone has a chance.     

Front loading intense interventions in the early years yields the best long term outcomes.  <---  the entire foundation of early intervention.    I could write a book.

That's why a lot of parents of children with spectrum disorders homeschool them.

Cindie

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

[quoteLionessa (3,281 posts)
2. and she apparently didn't think well of her

formal dressing, pocket protector nerd of a son, Adam, based on some of the neighboring classmates of Adam's from a few years ago.

Sounds to me like clashing forms of mental illness. She seems to be summing up to a raging nutjob, and he trying really hard to be her exact opposite and simply lost it. I wonder if she was actively bullying him about his sissy-ness when he turned the guns on her?

Some people shouldn't be parents. And yes, I'm just bizarre enough to think if we really cared about our populace, having children should be regulated. We all know people who have children that they've terribly screwed up or screwed over, and should never have ever been allowed to raise anyone. Oh, and some of these folks are teachers, my mother was. my dad was a doctor, so they are everywhere, these horrid, abusive, neglectful, hateful parents who cause young men like Adam to lose it. quote]

"Didn't think well of him"? He lived with his mother you crazy dike! Get off the computer! That filthy pigsty of an apartment of yours isn't going to clean itself!

[jtyangel]

"Didn't think well of him"? He lived with his mother you crazy dike! Get off the computer! That filthy pigsty of an apartment of yours isn't going to clean itself!

Somebody listened to 'Jeremy' one too many times.

[diesel driver]

Somebody listened to 'Jeremy' one too many times.

I think they were drinking STP, not listening to it.

[AprilRazz]

Pammy Dawson owns a Glock and is a teacher.

[Freeper]

I think they were drinking STP, not listening to it.

Jeremy was Pearl Jam not STP. 

[jtyangel]

Jeremy was Pearl Jam not STP. 

Yep:)