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They finally figured out the symbols on the bottom of the calender.  It reads:  "Continued on next tablet".

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The ancient mayan civilization mysteriously disappeared leaving us with an enigmatic stone calendar.

O.k.

I predict that on 12/22 many of us will have historically epic hangovers that make us wish the world had ended the day before.

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The ancient mayan civilization mysteriously disappeared leaving us with an enigmatic stone calendar.

O.k.

I predict that on 12/22 many of us will have historically epic hangovers that make us wish the world had ended the day before.

That's probably going to be the case.
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Vesta is actually mostly right for once.  
Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.
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the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.

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Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.

Interesting as how did the dog get to the Continent except for Alaska where they were brought in from those crossing the Bearing Straight from Russia or China ?????

Talking to an acquaintance that is herself from some far back Indigenous tribe of Indians, and by now has about 1000 generation pedigree, she is an instructor on Native lands at UNH. She may have 1/1000 drop of aboriginal blood in her.   Same as many of us.

Her take on this was all about the religion and faith of the the tribes in both North and South America. 

Here goes, she believes that none of the Natives used any kind of animal or tried to tame them as they were their Gods.   No dogs or falcons, to hunt, while the Fins were raising raindeer to pull sleds and for their milk and flesh, the Religion at the time here would not allow any of that here .

As she told me there were only wolves in the Americas and none tameable or even thought to be tamed.

Wasn't until a new faith came to the Americans that the South American gave no thought to using an Alpaca , one of their Gods to work for man. later the European brought horse and donkeys.

She is stanch in her beliefs instead of the wheel the Indians pulled by hand traverses to move about. One needs roads that are semi flat to use the wheel. 

Tamed dogs came in perhaps 100 years later as did the beasts of burden from Europe.   We in New England did not get milk cows into the country until the 1700.  Big deal when the Danes shipped over a herd of cows with milking maids to instruct the populace on their care and how to make butter and cheese from their milk.

This is what she teaches and how can I say other Wise ??????

 

 


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Interesting as how did the dog get to the Continent except for Alaska where they were brought in from those crossing the Bearing Straight from Russia or China ?????

Talking to an acquaintance that is herself from some far back Indigenous tribe of Indians, and by now has about 1000 generation pedigree, she is an instructor on Native lands at UNH. She may have 1/1000 drop of aboriginal blood in her.   Same as many of us.

Her take on this was all about the religion and faith of the the tribes in both North and South America. 

Here goes, she believes that none of the Natives used any kind of animal or tried to tame them as they were their Gods.   No dogs or falcons, to hunt, while the Fins were raising raindeer to pull sleds and for their milk and flesh, the Religion at the time here would not allow any of that here .

As she told me there were only wolves in the Americas and none tameable or even thought to be tamed.

Wasn't until a new faith came to the Americans that the South American gave no thought to using an Alpaca , one of their Gods to work for man. later the European brought horse and donkeys.

She is stanch in her beliefs instead of the wheel the Indians pulled by hand traverses to move about. One needs roads that are semi flat to use the wheel. 

Tamed dogs came in perhaps 100 years later as did the beasts of burden from Europe.   We in New England did not get milk cows into the country until the 1700.  Big deal when the Danes shipped over a herd of cows with milking maids to instruct the populace on their care and how to make butter and cheese from their milk.

This is what she teaches and how can I say other Wise ??????

 

 


1/16th Monacan here so by your standards I am more qualified than her.
So it is impossible to get a wolf cub and tame it? Do you have any clue how we got domestic dogs in the first place? Your 'friend' knows nothing about how domestic animals got that way in the first place or her critical thinking skills suck. BTW there is plenty of artwork that predates colonization that shows dogs with packs and as draft animals. But what would the people in the National museum of the American Indian know.
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Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.

"Mostly" being the operative word there...

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1/16th Monacan here so by your standards I am more qualified than her.
So it is impossible to get a wolf cub and tame it? Do you have any clue how we got domestic dogs in the first place? Your 'friend' knows nothing about how domestic animals got that way in the first place or her critical thinking skills suck. BTW there is plenty of artwork that predates colonization that shows dogs with packs and as draft animals. But what would the people in the National museum of the American Indian know.

Only thing I know is that the Coyote and the Wolves cannot be house broken.   Some where in there a  break came about to make these animals into dogs as we know.

What caused this obedience to man, to make these ancestors of our dogs to break from their ways to obey Man.???

Where in here did these wild animals find their notch living among humans ???  Obeying them house broken and loyal to the end ??

 I would like to see art work that goes back 400 years showing the American Indian working or hunting with trained dogs, wolves or coyotes.   I Have been to the Smithonion for Indian in DC and the only art work was done after the dog was introduced in to the Americas.   

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Only thing I know is that the Coyote and the Wolves cannot be house broken.   Some where in there a  break came about to make these animals into dogs as we know.

What caused this obedience to man, to make these ancestors of our dogs to break from their ways to obey Man.???

Where in here did these wild animals find their notch living among humans ???  Obeying them house broken and loyal to the end ??

 I would like to see art work that goes back 400 years showing the American Indian working or hunting with trained dogs, wolves or coyotes.   I Have been to the Smithonion for Indian in DC and the only art work was done after the dog was introduced in to the Americas.   
So a domestic puppy is housebroken right out of the womb?
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My mind is blown how many times I have seen that false fact posted. The Mayans missed more than just leap days their year was only 360 days long but thats irrelevant to the 2012 date. The Mayan baktun is 144,000 days long whether you count it from the Mayan start date of Aug 11 3114 BC in Georgian or Sep 6 3114 BC in Julian you still get the upcoming winter solstice.
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I tossed and turned over this last night... If this is possible, because we are on different time zones , which time zone will it account for?? Will it be gradual??? Will the earth explode, and all these bodies will be floating in space????  I only  have 11 more days to live??
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Weird.

No reflex complaints about the evil 1% living in luxury off the blood and sweat of wage slaves.

In fact, she seems to admire them.

They're not proper 1%ers unless they're white.

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I tossed and turned over this last night... If this is possible, because we are on different time zones , which time zone will it account for?? Will it be gradual??? Will the earth explode, and all these bodies will be floating in space????  I only  have 11 more days to live??

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Look on the bright side. You don't have to worry about Christmas shopping!
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So a domestic puppy is housebroken right out of the womb?

From what I understand the tip off to a domesticated dog and a baby wolf is the DNA.    Much like the DNA between a human baby and a Chimp.   A few Chromosomes off between them, and us. 

Some how at some time the wolves had a split and the DOG was born.  Scientifically different in just a few attributes from the wolf, but still different.

Hunters tell me of killing a female wolf or Coyote and following them back to their den to rescue their pups and tried to raise them as dogs.  It just don't work, even the hybrids half dog or half wolf,  can not be trained as well as a 100% Dog., or trusted to act as a Dog.  Interesting that some people enjoying raising these fellas and gals but they can never become house pets unless they have less then 1/8 wild DNA and that is nothing I would leave my kids around in the house.

CATS, we had a case of an 8 year old girl finding a baby kitten beside the road, putting it into her shirt to keep warm until she got home and had her mother take the kitten and her to the Vets. 

The Vet. was very suspicious and had a DNA test run for the Vets. curiosity and results came back that this was a BOB Cat kitten.   The Child's guarding angel was with her that day, had the kitten not been so under the weather it could have clawed her to death.   DNA, all cats act alike keep their general instincts but some for some reason some coexist with humans and others see them a Pray.  A split in the DNA makes the difference.

Every Beast that could coexist with humans was brought here from Europe and beyond the seas.  The reason I believe is that the rest of the world was so huge and trading began on a large scale ideas were swapped between the Russians that learned to train bears and the Indians that learned to tame the Elephants, horses and cattle.

DNA, check out the Zebra, they look and at times act like horses, but their DNA does not make them horses, if it did man kind would have been riding them and using them in war all over Africa 5,000 years before Christ.

 



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From what I understand the tip off to a domesticated dog and a baby wolf is the DNA.    Much like the DNA between a human baby and a Chimp.   A few Chromosomes off between them, and us. 


Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.
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Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.

Or you could just do like vesta does and whack 'em over the head with a hammer.  They're none too bright afterwards, but they're fairly harmless and docile.

Oh wait--that's her.  Nevermind.
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Or you could just do like vesta does and whack 'em over the head with a hammer.  They're none too bright afterwards, but they're fairly harmless and docile.

Oh wait--that's her.  Nevermind.
I would have an easer time explaining Brawndo to her. :rotf:
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Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.

Question here how many generations does it take to with selective breeding to get what you wish in an animal ????

Example, the Dog, for hundreds of years we have bread dogs to carry different traits, long hair , short or long legs.   However no one has figured our how to breed any dog with a Bob tail.   We do this for breed standards and also subject the poor things to having their ears  clipped, but these traits are stubborn and seldom go into a new generation,  few dogs of the bob tail or ear clipped seldom if ever have off spring that does not have the floppy ears and long tail.  Not in their DNA.

I remember in school being taught that after 50 years of rising thousands of generations of mice and clipping their tails the next generation will still have tails. Environment cannot take over DNA.

Mutations arise occasionally at the last time one would believe.   Cat show, woman there had a odd cat with curly hair.     Someone in England found the kitten in her barn, she took the kitten to a Vet. that bought it off her for perhaps $20.00 Us money and sent it on to a experimental cattery in England.

Some how the cattery was enabled to keep the mutation going and led to a whole new species of house cat.   Strange cat, it looks like it has a very very short Afro.  Price per kitten $2,000 on the barrel head.

Not bad  on another isle was a man selling Ossie cats ,years of breeding made the coat look like an Ocelot. designer cats, some one out there is spending a big bunch of money trying to make a 7 pound cat look like a Bengal Tiger.

This in no way other then looks changes their DNA.  

Just had a odd thought, watched a documentary on the northern Chinese that seldom go off their horses, that to this day hunt with trained Falcons.  Normatic tribe since time began and still nomadic to this day.

Darnedest thing I ever saw, they would ride horse back with their Falcons to the top of a ridge and just wait for the wolves to pass by beneath them perhaps a mile down or so.   The released these huge birds of pray and they would swoop down and kill a few wolves, then return to the handlers hands.  

I would guess that people can train wild life as long as it it involves their their BASIC instincts.        

BTW  what is Brawndo ?????  

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Example, the Dog, for hundreds of years we have bread dogs to carry different traits

What is a bread dog? Is that like a biscuit hound?

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BTW  what is Brawndo ????? 
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