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Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« on: November 30, 2012, 10:06:23 PM »
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Did I read President Obama's offer right?


 
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He is putting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security on the table Or did I NOT read what I saw on the Last Word Correctly?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021909676

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1. Check it out - I like it.

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Although I would add lowering the retirement age to 55 and extending medicare to everyone within US borders.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/29/the-white-houses-fiscal-cliff-proposal/
Phase One

Immediate increase in both top marginal rates, as well as capital gains and dividends: +$960 Billion

Additional taxes: +$600 Billion

2009-level estate tax

AMT and business tax extenders: -$236 Billion

Payroll tax extension or alternative policy: -$110B

Bonus depreciation extension



Spending/Extras

$50 billion stimulus package in FY13

Mass refi mortgage proposal

Deferral of sequester

Savings from non-entitlement mandatory programs

Extension of unemployment insurance: $30 billion

Medicare SGR Patch: $25 Billion

Increase in the debt limit to avoid requiring Congress to vote to increase



Stage Two

Tax reform consistent with $1.6 trillion tax increase

Entitlement policies from President’s FY13 budget that could total $400 billion in savings



Comment from White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage:

"Right now, the only thing preventing us from reaching a deal that averts the fiscal cliff and avoids a tax hike on 98 percent of Americans is the refusal of Congressional Republicans to ask the very wealthiest individuals to pay higher tax rates. The President has already signed into law over $1 trillion in spending cuts and we remain willing to do tough things to compromise, and it's time for Republicans in Washington to join the chorus of other voices—from the business community to middle class Americans across the country—who support a balanced approach that asks more from the wealthiest Americans."


So in other words he is not offering a damn thing other than more spending and more debt.

The DUmmy seems to think that we can somehow not only afford to put everyone on medicare but somehow we can all retire at 55. Just where does he think the money will come from?

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2. Call me dumb BUT

Entitlement policies from President’s FY13 budget that could total $400 billion in savings

This doesn't fully make me comfortable. Entitlements is the word used by Repugs for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. IS he cutting money from them?

You post at DU so you are dumb by default.

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geckosfeet (7,940 posts)
3. Well, could be corporate welfare. But you are right - 'entitlement' more commonly refers to

social security and medicare.

But what I think the $400b is, is projected savings from deploying the affordable health care act.

So the 400 billion is another lie.

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4. deploying the affordable health care act?

How does that save 400B from the federal budget?

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6. Because the more people that have health insurance the less the Govt has to pay.

Yeah because when we all have no jobs we will be able to afford to buy health insurance.  :whatever:

Basically once again we are being treated to a dog and pony show with nothing but smoke and mirrors, only this time tax rates will be going up. Then the dems will be scratching their heads wondering why revenue has gone down. So revenue will go down, spending will go up and we are even more screwed than we were 2 years ago.  :banghead:
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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2012, 10:31:57 PM »
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  But what I think the $400b is, is projected savings from deploying the affordable health care act. 

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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 06:14:05 AM »
I wonder where in the "budget" they account for all the premium subsides the government will pay as promised when many businesses will drop insurance coverage for employees and pay the tax.
Revenues from that can not come close to covering the cost.

That alone will blow the thing up by billions and impossible to account for.

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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 07:03:36 AM »
It vastly overestimates the revenue that would come in from tax law changes, counts 'Savings' from fanciful claims of eliminating fraud/waste/abuse in Medicare that have already been cranked into out-year deficit numbers by the CBO even though they were BS from the git-go, counts 'savings' that will never materialize in various other programs (Just the opposite in fact), and then proposes tens of billions of new spending programs.

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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 09:13:11 AM »
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6. Because the more people that have health insurance the less the Govt has to pay.

Because insurance money comes from magic beans and trees that grow with unicorn pee.  The most irresponsible, abusive of the system patients we have are the ones that have no co-pay, no monthly cost to them selves, and absolutely no responsibility about their own health.  We prepare thousands of dollars of medication per month for patients, deliver it to their home, and they do not use it because they (basically have no good reason at all).  They get sicker, requiring more expensive meds or admission to the hospital that costs a whole lot more than care at home and we (tax payers)pay the bills.

We have more trouble contacting people that do not work and sit at home all day than we do employed people.  And then of course, we have to try to communicate with people, that english is a second language but they have been in the country for over 10 years.  It is our responsibility to try to communicate in spanish not the other way around.  Funny thing, we have a pretty good sized vietnamese community and they make a concerted effort to learn english or if 80 year old grand ma is getting care they make sure someone can communicate with us right away. 

Some of the contracts that we are getting for reimbursement are AWP-25%.  All drugs have a cost and an AWP.  The AWP is like the MSRP on a car.  Sometimes the spread between the cost and AWP is ok and you can do that.  In our case it will be OK in 15% of the drugs that we sell.  The rest of the drugs will be reimbursed at below cost.  Then, thanks to govt regulation, specifically USP 797, we had to install a clean room that cost 100K.  It has to be certified every 6 months (that costs too).  We used to get what was called a dispensing fee.  It cost money to prepare injectible medicates.  Not free.  Takes time and someone that knows what they are doing.  Now, no dispensing fee. 

How long does the govt expect businesses like ours to stay solvent.  We can take care of a patient in the home at a fraction of the cost that inpatient days cost.  But, if you cannot pay your bills, the owners get NO ROI, the doors shut.  You will be going to the hospital or an infusion suite for your treatment, cost more, less efficient, and lousy service. 

Enjoy your new health plans.    And as a side note.  I am retired military.  Tri-care is going to get gutted.  I can afford changes that occur.  But there are lots of people that cannot.  And the VA is NOT AN OPTION.  (please learn about the va system before you spout off about that).  Not a problem.  I have no problem getting the same insurance coverage that an illegal immigrant gets.

You see, I don't care you how feel.  I really don't.  More importantly, neither does anyone else.  Only about 200 people on a planet of 7 billion actually care about your feelings, and that's if you're lucky.  The sooner you grasp this lesson, the better off you will be.  And since almost no one gives a damn what you do, say, think, or feel, appealing to your feelings when you encounter differences of opinion is not only illogical, but useless.

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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 09:17:38 AM »
Because insurance money comes from magic beans and trees that grow with unicorn pee.  The most irresponsible, abusive of the system patients we have are the ones that have no co-pay, no monthly cost to them selves, and absolutely no responsibility about their own health.  We prepare thousands of dollars of medication per month for patients, deliver it to their home, and they do not use it because they (basically have no good reason at all).  They get sicker, requiring more expensive meds or admission to the hospital that costs a whole lot more than care at home and we (tax payers)pay the bills.

We have more trouble contacting people that do not work and sit at home all day than we do employed people.  And then of course, we have to try to communicate with people, that english is a second language but they have been in the country for over 10 years.  It is our responsibility to try to communicate in spanish not the other way around.  Funny thing, we have a pretty good sized vietnamese community and they make a concerted effort to learn english or if 80 year old grand ma is getting care they make sure someone can communicate with us right away. 

Some of the contracts that we are getting for reimbursement are AWP-25%.  All drugs have a cost and an AWP.  The AWP is like the MSRP on a car.  Sometimes the spread between the cost and AWP is ok and you can do that.  In our case it will be OK in 15% of the drugs that we sell.  The rest of the drugs will be reimbursed at below cost.  Then, thanks to govt regulation, specifically USP 797, we had to install a clean room that cost 100K.  It has to be certified every 6 months (that costs too).  We used to get what was called a dispensing fee.  It cost money to prepare injectible medicates.  Not free.  Takes time and someone that knows what they are doing.  Now, no dispensing fee. 

How long does the govt expect businesses like ours to stay solvent.  We can take care of a patient in the home at a fraction of the cost that inpatient days cost.  But, if you cannot pay your bills, the owners get NO ROI, the doors shut.  You will be going to the hospital or an infusion suite for your treatment, cost more, less efficient, and lousy service. 

Enjoy your new health plans.    And as a side note.  I am retired military.  Tri-care is going to get gutted.  I can afford changes that occur.  But there are lots of people that cannot.  And the VA is NOT AN OPTION.  (please learn about the va system before you spout off about that).  Not a problem.  I have no problem getting the same insurance coverage that an illegal immigrant gets.



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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 09:37:03 AM »
... The most irresponsible, abusive of the system patients we have are the ones that have no co-pay, no monthly cost to them selves, and absolutely no responsibility about their own health.  We prepare thousands of dollars of medication per month for patients, deliver it to their home, and they do not use it because they (basically have no good reason at all).  They get sicker, requiring more expensive meds or admission to the hospital that costs a whole lot more than care at home and we (tax payers)pay the bills.

We have more trouble contacting people that do not work and sit at home all day than we do employed people.  And then of course, we have to try to communicate with people, that english is a second language but they have been in the country for over 10 years.  It is our responsibility to try to communicate in spanish not the other way around...

According to Dr. Jill Vecchio (she has a youtube series), ObamaCare will kick doctors out of the system if a certain percentage of their patients do not respond to treatment. Of course, there's no onus on the patient to maintain the prescribe regimen or refrain from proscribed habits.

She didn't mention whether or not doctors can fire patients or refuse to take on patients. Knowing leftists as we do I presume the answer the that constricts personal liberty the most while promoting personal irresponsibility is the proper answer.

Regardless, you will either see the human flotsam rejected by doctors clinging to the last shreds of their profession (and, oh, how they shall bray!) or we will see doctors kicked out in droves as the gutter-waste costs them their professions and the rest of us suffer for it.
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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 10:30:12 AM »
I will gladly look at spending cuts on Tuesday if you give me twice the tax hikes and more spending today.

As to the 98% returning to Saint Clinton's tax rates that should be good for the economy and a majority voted for higher taxes on 11/06/12. Time for everyone to have some skin in the game. If we don't the mob will continue to rule.
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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 02:46:38 PM »
"Magic Beans"....I think that's all I'll plant in my garden next year.
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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 03:42:38 PM »
I will gladly look at spending cuts on Tuesday if you give me twice the tax hikes and more spending today.

As to the 98% returning to Saint Clinton's tax rates that should be good for the economy and a majority voted for higher taxes on 11/06/12. Time for everyone to have some skin in the game. If we don't the mob will continue to rule.

That's what they did to Reagan promised to cut spending never did. 
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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 04:35:38 PM »
That's what they did to Reagan promised to cut spending never did. 

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Re: Did I read President Obama's offer right?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 05:03:35 PM »
That's what they did to Reagan promised to cut spending never did. 

Bush 41 as well and then beat him over the head with his "Read my lips" vow he reneged on and then they did not keep their side of the bargain.