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Christians have to step up
« on: November 12, 2012, 02:35:53 PM »
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Christians have to step up
Jesus says that is almost impossible for a rich person to get to heaven,
So it up to the Christians to vote for the rich to give p more of their money
so they do not send their souls into the bowels of hell.
It is the Christian way for the rich to be taxed more for the good of their souls

Another DU theologian speaks.  :whatever:
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 02:39:20 PM »
If that's the case DUmmy, what about separation of church and state? How can we use the teachings of Jesus (even when made up) to influence public policy?

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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 02:41:08 PM »
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 02:43:18 PM »
 :thatsright: :thatsright: :thatsright: They are so stupid.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 02:43:46 PM »
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Christians have to step up
Jesus says that is almost impossible for a rich person to get to heaven,
So it up to the Christians to vote for the rich to give p more of their money
so they do not send their souls into the bowels of hell.
It is the Christian way for the rich to be taxed more for the good of their souls

Translation; give us your money, keep your beliefs to yourself. :whatever:
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 02:50:46 PM »
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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:24 PM
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1. I'd like to hear more *liberal* Christians speak up.

To debate their fundamentalist brethren.

I'd like to meet the *liberal* "Christian" who can successful mesh the heathenistic, anti-Godliness of liberalism into actual Christianity.

edit to add: If I'm not a mistaken a liberal can actually sign up here and debate a Christian.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 02:53:07 PM »
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Rich people can be saved like anyone else if they do what God wants. Joseph of Arimathea was wealthy. And Paul said in Romans 2:11 that God doesn't show favouritism. Anyone can be saved.

The illustration of the camel going through the eye of a needle was perfect for those He was speaking to. The eye of a needle means the eye of a needle. Jesus' explanation that what is impossible for men is possible with God shows that rich men can be saved and enter Heaven. But only if they put their faith in God rather than in their riches.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 02:53:38 PM »
 :rotf:

Atheists telling Christians what they should do. Fool.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 02:54:04 PM »
The stupidity of that post burns.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 03:02:00 PM »
And it was so blatant!  GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!!

And libs in the media went off the deep end when Rush said they all voted for Santa Claus. 
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 03:10:09 PM »
The actual bible verses for the DUmmies:

24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Jesus isn't saying that no rich man will go to heave, he is saying that it is only through God that anybody will go to heaven.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 03:17:55 PM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on November 12, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
The actual bible verses for the DUmmies:

24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Jesus isn't saying that no rich man will go to heave, he is saying that it is only through God that anybody will go to heaven.

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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 03:20:11 PM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on November 12, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
The actual bible verses for the DUmmies:

24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Jesus isn't saying that no rich man will go to heave, he is saying that it is only through God that anybody will go to heaven.

And I was always taught that the context was that money can be a hindrance to it. The reason being that people put more love and faith, as you said, in a pile of cash(gold, whatever) then God. It was a hurdle just like being gay is a hurdle or having a propensity to steal is a hurdle. My point is we all have our crosses to bear that make it difficult for us, if not impossible without Jesus. They forget that everyone has a cross to bear. As much as they like to make gay into some sacramental rite to heaven it still is a sin that burdens the people who deal with it; like any other. The problem with homosexuals today is they compound it with pride. Now, that aside, this leads me to another issue:


Are not liberal Christians hindered by the promise of money and wealth from others? Can they seriously tell me that your average Obamaphone recipient is somehow noble and not blinded by whatever item of worth they can get their hands on? Did God not speak against sloth as well? So how are they any less guilty then a person with wealth who puts their faith in that. Funny the most gimme, gimme, gimme and grappling for $ I've seen are by the supposed 'poor' in this country. I'm tired of liberals thinking that greed is the bastion only of the wealthy. They are blind if they think that or inexperienced. Either way they are beyond foolish.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 03:27:26 PM »
DUmmies need to step up...........and get a job.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 03:47:29 PM »
The Bible did not preach against prosperity.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2012, 03:53:52 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on November 12, 2012, 03:47:29 PM
The Bible did not preach against prosperity.

No it sure didn't... as I know many many prosperous chrisitians who have given and done more for people than the entire DU put together.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 04:04:01 PM »
Quote from: Maxiest on November 12, 2012, 03:53:52 PM
No it sure didn't... as I know many many prosperous chrisitians who have given and done more for people than the entire DU put together.

Oh yeah. DUmmies are bigoted. They are some of the most bigoted and hateful people I have come across.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 04:12:56 PM »
We have stepped up, we've always stepped up, and I personally feel in a quandary over this issue, especially after Mass over the weekend which told us we had to be charitable to those in need, but we're facing uncertain times now and I feel like I have to think about me and my family, so charity might have to be held off for awhile until we find out what the situation out there is going to be.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2012, 04:22:51 PM »
The ironically named Angry Dragon should stick to his day job. I actually am a trained theologian, literally, and this person has no clue as to what he's talking about.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2012, 04:59:44 PM »
Why is it that nonbelievers always think they know more about Christianity than believers?

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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2012, 05:11:54 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on November 12, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
Why is it that nonbelievers always think they know more about Christianity than believers?

Arrogance, ignorance, or stupidity, take your pick.  With most DUmmies its all three.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on November 12, 2012, 04:12:56 PM
We have stepped up, we've always stepped up, and I personally feel in a quandary over this issue, especially after Mass over the weekend which told us we had to be charitable to those in need, but we're facing uncertain times now and I feel like I have to think about me and my family, so charity might have to be held off for awhile until we find out what the situation out there is going to be.

I'm with ya, Bally.  I'm afraid that, after the Obamacare taxes strike, we won't have enough to keep the townhouse, and put our daughter through Catholic school.  The thing is, one of the AA Promises says something about not fearing economic insecurity.  I've been thinking about that one.  I'll bring it up in a meeting tomorrow night.
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 06:05:05 PM »
Another day, another DUmbass tries to wittily mock what it cannot understand (with predictable results)...   :yawn:
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2012, 06:12:25 PM »
Quote from: Charles Henrickson on November 12, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
The ironically named Angry Dragon should stick to his day job. I actually am a trained theologian, literally, and this person has no clue as to what he's talking about.

Charles, can you talk a little bit about Charity and Christianity in this thread here please. What do you do when people vote to have the Government take care of them, should the Churches back off then on pushing Charity? Is the intent of Charity to help all those in need all the time to the point of dependency? I'm feeling a little un-Christian since the election
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Re: Christians have to step up
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 06:21:29 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on November 12, 2012, 06:12:25 PM
Charles, can you talk a little bit about Charity and Christianity in this thread here please. What do you do when people vote to have the Government take care of them, should the Churches back off then on pushing Charity? Is the intent of Charity to help all those in need all the time to the point of dependency? I'm feeling a little un-Christian since the election

I'll weigh in.

As Christians, our directives come from God, not man.  Our duty to help our fellowman is the same regardless of what kind of gov't we have, what that gov't does, or even if we have a gov't at all.

I, for one, take great comfort in knowing that anyone who is in power anywhere in the world is only there because God is permitting them to be in power.  That doesn't mean that He approves of how they conduct themselves, but it means they are where they are because it serves God's purpose, a purpose that we can't always fully understand, but we know in the end is righteous.  In view of eternity, it matters not who is the president, God is in control.  As Christians, we are citizens of the kingdom of God first, citizens of the USA second.

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