From a part of the DUmp which we can't see as it's super-secret...perhaps they're discussing meta-nadin
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
Is meta the place to attack Nadin for being insufferable about Superstorm Sandy?
Words cannot express how shitty I find her post about the storm: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021714375
I have reached my breaking point with her.
For the record, living in one of the potentially Sandy-affected cities, I stocked up on enough stuff to ride out at least two weeks, and possibly a month. In the end, it wasn't much more than a nasty rainstorm here.
But I have a lot of friends who suffered greatly from Sandy, and it didn't ****ing matter what they had on hand when the storm hit. I also know people who pretty much lost everything. Friends of friends ****ing died.
And for this insufferable ninny to post her "I told you so" bullshit is just intolerable.
She could have made the exact same points without any of the insufferable nonsense, finger pointing, and victim shaming.
For the easily fooled, she pulls it back with a throwaway command that people give money, not compassion, but the post is all about Nadin using ****ing Superstorm Sandy to make herself feel better about herself.
And as to the official record, it's gotten to the point where I'd like to see certifiable proof of her official role in all the activities she claims to have participated in.
I'm sorry to be so hostile here, and I know her post has been up for a few days already. I was busy doing important shit, like helping win the damn election.
People attacking my home city is my trigger. I think her post is contemptible.
Oh my. It seems like somebody can't perceive nadin's greatness and bow down to her, as all should.
gkhouston (19,459 posts)
4. Well, she's probably already put you on ignore by now, so why not?
The ultimate punishment is raised - being ignored by nadin.
seaglass (4,321 posts)
7. I have her on ignore so would not have seen her thread without your link. Thankfully.
My husband is a Firefighter and is also on a Disaster Medical Team. He was deployed to NY last Tuesday and we are really missing him. He is taking care of people who were evacuated from a nursing home, from a hospital wing and from a psych ward.
My husband is one of the most compassionate people I know. A GOOD first responder ALWAYS is. They know that people need compassion when they are in dire circumstances. It's not just about function and process, it's about caring for your fellow human beings. Not blaming, not rubbing their noses in their situation to score points. If she is what she always claims to be she's doing a damn shitty job if she doesn't understand that.
Another one who doesn't see her innate superiority - tut tut tut.
pintobean (7,247 posts)
9. There's a long history
of this kind of crap. The best thing to do is laugh about it. Here's something that might help.
-a picture of an ambulance up to its roof in flood waters-
I ran across this image a few months ago and thought of her.
CreekDog (34,071 posts)
16. that's poor preparation right there.
they were wrong to drive the non-floating kind into the water like that.
tsk tsk.
pintobean (7,247 posts)
20. That was funny
but it could have been an underwater rescue attempt. They forgot to roll up the windows?
Are the mocking the great one? They'll be feeling the wrath of justice soon enough.
zabet (6,618 posts)
10. whoa.......
You keep making posts like this and nadin with her super-all-knowing-pro-at-everything-and-better-than-you powers will tell Skinner he needs to PPR you.
I, like someone else posted, have little faith in her roles as she states simply because even though she tries....she does not 'talk the talk' of a true disaster worker. Her talk is all about how much more she thinks she knows about a topic than any constructive posting that will lead to discussion. Not sure nadin knows the concept of discussion....she knows how to point her finger....say I told you so...and toss bits of 'crunchy' information to us peons but, does not know the back and forth exchange of ideas and opinions. Probably because she does not think any of DU is on her level of intelligence (I say ignorance) to be worthy of troubling her 'beautiful mind' over.
CreekDog (34,071 posts)
24. Remember when she couldn't complete a call to Mexico and thought the gov't had been overthrown?
good times.
pintobean (7,247 posts)
25. And the Facebook journalism take-down
was epic.
A DU classic.
and Michelle's dress
Codeine (12,270 posts)
83. So many Classic DU Moments are built around her bullshit. nt
CreekDog (34,071 posts)
84. i could never ignore that much awesome
Bluenorthwest (21,362 posts)
26. The DU posters Nadin calls out in that post were the most vile posts I have read on
DU. One of them was insisting that NYC was safe, no one there should bother to prepare. This bullshit was being posted even as hundreds of thousands of NYC residents were being evaccuated. Another, with 'Hoboken' in the username was posting similar 'you yokles don't know how secure this city is' materials even as his own Hoboken was being flooded with sewage tainted waters.
Those posters endangered others with their bullshit. Those posters were bad, bad NYers, lousy citizens. They needed to be called out.
Some of my closest friends work in disaster preparation and recovery for Federal and State agencies. Posts like those Nadin called out place such workers in danger by encouraging those who could prepare to sit on Staten Island without a can of soup because 'the bodegas and delis never close, they have years of food on hand'.
Anyone in that storm's path should take great issue with not Nadin, but with the posters she called out. I also addressed them. To repeat, the most irresponsible posts I have ever read on DU. Awful, dangerous bullshit. It needed to be countered in thread for the safety of those who might be reading it. If it bugged you or others, that is inconsequential.
Only one nadin defender in quite a large bonfire...
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
27. The "I told you so" post was written on NOVEMBER 5th!!!
Are you ****ing kidding me?
I have more to say on her use of barely breathing strawmen, but the above makes your post ridiculous.
It didn't "need to be countered in (a)(?) thread" started November 5th.
Would you at least read the damn thing you are responding to???
Bluenorthwest (21,362 posts)
33. What was really bad was those who prior to the storm that left NYers without food
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wrote stuff like this: "But it doesn't take a genius to realize that "stocking up"
and this survivalist type planning is the LAST thing anyone in NYC needs.
Jeeze, you've got no clue, do you? "
I mean, was that the fact that no one needed supplies after the storm in NYC? To have some emergency supplies, as NYC authorities asked is 'the last thing anyone in NYC needs'?
"I understand supplies are huge for people in more isolated areas, but not here.
I'm sorry you're having such a rough time wrapping your head around it, but its very different here in that respect.
You can PM me for an apology when you find stories of NYers starving, okay? "
"I said we don't need to stock up, and my friends who evacuated would agree with me. Sorry my point- that we are sitting in a big ****ing piles of supplies over here- went right over that posters head. Sheesh."
Those posters encouraging others to refuse to prepare were in the wrong, extremely so, endangering others including those who later had to rescue those who did not prepare well enough.
Everyone should read the thread this is about, from which I pull my quotes and they can decide if those 'we don't need to prepare' posters were in need of correction.
Nadin was not alone in castigating those bad citizens, lousy NYers. She was right and they were oh, so wrong. Note the 'NY is perfectly safe' poster demanding apology when the storm caused no more than a burp to the city.
People dying is not the time to play 'too soon'. Never too soon to castigate such bad citizens as those telling others not to prepare because NY would magically serve them no matter what happends.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021640450#post17
How you can be offended that Nadin's comments were 'too soon' when you are not offended at those who were spreading unsafe bullshit before the storm. Talk about bad timing.
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
45. There are a lot of syntax problems in your post here
can you please correct them so that I can understand exactly what I am responding to and then tell you why you are wrong?
Syntax is the least of nadin's problems.
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
40. I am surprised at all this poutrage at a GD thread several days old
that you did not even post in. Must be the implied criticism of NYC that triggered you.
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
43. You don't read. Was busy busting ass knocking on doors
just returned home after electing PROGRESSIVE Senator Elizabeth Warren.
But you wouldn't care about that because at least as your username goes, you appear to be a fraud.
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
50. I read your claim
That is all it was.
I was not doing that since I am in SoCal...our election results were a lock.
What is not progressive about caring for the environment and advocating adequate preparation so that those in the most dire straights will get the resources needed?
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
53. My "claim" lol
Want to see receipts?
I'll take a photo for you of my all-night bus ticket to travel to Massachusetts for Elizabeth Warren after campaigning in Virginia. Btw, I came home early evening from campaigning in Virginia on Sunday and took that all-night bus THAT NIGHT.
Forget it - any further response to your ridiculous BS is unnecessary. Anyone who can read and remember basic things like "cows go moo" knows that I tried to organize people to go to Ohio and Florida, that I supported a wide array of progressive candidates in this election with money and time, etc.
If you don't, that's on you.
I live in a place where my election results are "a lock." That's why I TRAVELED to places where that wasn't the case. You could have gone to Nevada. But that would of course involve actually being true to what you claim to be, and you are not.
You care about the environment? That is delightful. Outside of your attack on cities, which I believe to be thoroughly inaccurate, I do not recall your pro-environment posts. It's great if those are somewhere within your regular program of liberal-bashing.
That would be the first actually progressive position I've seen you take.
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
57. I have a large solar plant I have built up over time
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I have posted about it occasionally, mostly on DU2. You can see it from Google Earth if you care to look. It is limited at this point by line capacity. I also tend to post to debunk some of the green energy hype that is out there. It is too important a need to allow the hucksters to foul the waters so to speak.
The issue with older cities is well known in urban planning circles. Detroit is harbinger of what it so come, though similar pockets are already showing up in the northeast as well. US native population is shrinking faster than many realize, it is immigration that keeps things going. Without it, we would be like Japan. The older cities are environmental disasters due mostly to historical activities. Eventually some areas will have to have a massive clean up or be abandoned.
The University is in session, and I keep my commitments. I was working on local issues, which is where we should be concentrating more than we do. If you get the local votes right, the regional, state, and national will take care of themselves.
I bash non-thinking trash talking, and there is a lot of it out there. Those who invest so emotionally in "their city" and such that any disparagement triggers them are good examples of such.
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
60. Let me explain something to you
before I get back to sleeping off five straight days of traveling and campaigning: anyone who thinks New York doesn't need to exist right where it exists doesn't understand anything about geography, commerce, or the history of the world. Anyone who doesn't think New York will rebuild and will figure out how to protect herself is also missing some widely-available information on those topics.
New York has built over itself many times over, but New York has also had passionate, powerful conservation movements for a long, long time and is a masterpiece of urban planning.
Do you actually know the New York you criticize? The building of the grid system is one of the most remarkable stories of careful urban development in the modern(ish) world. That it took place as early as it did speaks to how remarkable it is.
Your comparison of New York to Detroit seems flat out ignorant.
You go in a lot of directions in your post, so I'm not sure what I'm responding to, but thank you very much, New York and immigration are like Peaches and Herb.
And my "local" issue - as a New Yorker and a U.S. citizen, is getting someone like Elizabeth Warren elected, someone who actually gives a shit about reforming Wall Street.
I don't get how you miss that cities are, in many ways, greener than the alternatives. Just some quick pulls online are:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/04/why-bigger-cities-are-greener/863/
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/translating-uncle-sam/stories/urban-or-rural-which-is-more-energy-efficient
Mass transportation versus all the time others spend in cars is just a beginning point.
I personally don't like concrete paving over natural treasures, and despise the reckless encroachment of human dwelling into important habitat.
I don't think my city is a perfect place, but by God, I do call it home, and I am a proud New Yorker.
I think your solar plant sounds great.
I dislike much in the post I am responding to, but it is certainly the least displeasing post of yours I can recall reading.
I do so love it when they turn up the hate on each other.
Waiting For Everyman (5,992 posts)
58. I agree, and here is a link to the subthread discussion you're referring to.
It's dated FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26TH... 3 days BEFORE Sandy hit. Those upset by this issue, which continued in several subsequent OPs by Nadin and several others, really should read this first.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021640450#post17
They showed a great deal of patience with these DUers, and were trying to help. And were RIGHT.
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
62. Again, her post on November 5th is long after the fact
and is offensive.
Great, two or three posters avidly disagreed with her. Quite frankly, out of everyone I know who suffered from the storm - and that is many, many people - not ONE of them suffered from a lack of food or water, the sensationalist nonsense about dumpster diving aside. NOT ONE.
That doesn't mean I don't believe in stocking up in advance of uncertainty - it's simply prudent.
But a few posters carrying on an argument does not justify the nasty, self-congratulatory nature of the OP this thread covers, which was made well after the storm.
As I said, all points could have been made without any of the nastiness and gloating - AFTER A FREAKING DISASTER - which is rampant throughout her OP.
And it's not like her points convince me she is a real deal official capacity first responder/official relief efforts person. You only needed an online connection or a radio to get the mayor's instructions and follow them.
I actually don't think they were right, as, once again, of ALL the people I know who were affected, and this covers many many hundreds of people, NOT ONE suffered from a lack of food or water. But if they were right or wrong is not the point here. It's the finger pointing post disaster and the nastiness shown where it is simply counterproductive and out of place that is unacceptable.
Great, Nadin copy and pasted a bulletin on disaster preparedness. As I said, I stocked up for an apocalypse and my town hardly got hit.
Anyone want some spare dried apricots???
Waiting For Everyman (5,992 posts)
67. After more than a week of poo-flinging at her, her tone was better than mine would be.
But I said what I felt needed saying, and don't want to harp at you on it.
I do want to say to you that I really hope that all the people you know and all those affected in your area get the help they need -- in an ongoing way. I'm very interested and concerned about that, and will continue to be. I can certainly understand how any comments about this could be very upsetting to you.
THOU SHALT NOT DEFAME THE NAME OF NADIN!
cthulu2016 (5,869 posts)
29. No. The place for this is IN THE THREAD IN QUESTION
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
31. The OP lacks the intestinal fortitude to do that
Nothing in the thread that they find so enraging.
Everybody's scared of the nadin and her power and wrath.
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
44. I have more intestinal fortitude in my large intestine than you have
in both of yours.
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
51. It clearly does not show, not in the least
You come to meta and whine and do not take things head on. That's internal fortitude for you...
jsmirman (3,971 posts)
55. Already explained - funny enough, in the post that is visually right below yours
man, I hate your posts. You truly achieve a consistent level of terribleness.
ProgressiveProfessor (18,457 posts)
56. Check the time stamps...
Ignore is your friend...you need to use it
And the debate rises to the level of:
"You're smelly."
"I know you, you said you are, so what am I?"
rrneck (11,619 posts)
47. Among the many uses of an internet forum
ego boosting self promotion is among the most popular.
I read some people's stuff for information. Others for laughs. And I read some to marvel at the effort people invest in their own vanity. If I'm not interested in any of those things, I don't read it.
zappaman (6,071 posts)
78. you sure you want to take her on?
she's pretty badass...
*SNORK*
loli phabay (1,810 posts)
82. lol do you really think she is lara croft posting anonymously.
Systematic Chaos (7,883 posts)
85. She's damn near everything else, so why not?
STOP MOCKING HER!!!!!!
No link as it's in the super-secret forum which we can't see.
