Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority

[GOP Congress]

DU THREAD: What should a California Supermajority do? (LINK) Original Post by BanTheGOP

Remember when you were a teen, and your parents went away for a weekend? And you had a nice, huge house just ITCHING to be partied in? So you got the beer and the condoms and the tunes and just invited your friends and foes alike to your house to just party with NO parental guidance, with the sky's the limit? Looks like ol' Ban's folks took off, and he's got his groove thang going. Let's take a peek... OP. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:22 pm) Original Post - Post Count: 886 What should a California Supermajority do? What should a California Supermajority do? To clarify the issue, if the Democrats vote as a bloc, they can do the following (which they can't do with a simple majority): 1. Raise revenue 2. Create Constitutional Amendments that can be voted on by the people in the next (or special) election. 3. Override a governor's veto They have at least a one or two-member cushion in each chamber, so a lone wolf could not gum up the works without a partner or two. Frankly, this is our opportunity to fundamentally transform the state to a robust, progressive state that is necessary for both our people and our planet to survive. This thread is meant to put out ideas that can be woven into actual bill items. I will make the contacts with EACH democratic office in the legislature. As a minimum, the first thing the legislature should do is to kill the 1978 law, Proposition 13. Specifically, not to repeal the actual law, but to legislatively negate its effects, and tailor it so we can get our money back from the corporate loophole ingrates. In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring. So let's create a list, filter it, massage it, then I'll communicate with each democratic member's office and push it. Raise "revenue?" You mean enact the hugest tax increases in state history, on TOP of theone they just passed! And constitutional amendments? Forget the beer...this ****er is into some serious shit here! But I do have to admit...he's in on the secret about where the money is coming from in the first place, going after the businesses before he leaves. Even THAT'S against the US constitution, last I heard, via the Interstate Compact, but I digress...he's just getting into the party... 1. jberryhill (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:22 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 26,445 Govern That state has rendered itself virtually ungovernable without a supermajority. Yeah, right... like you did from 2008 to 2010 and started the slide down the sliperry slope 2. codjh9 (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:23 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 2,751 Deport the remaining Republicans! Yes... please deport me! Tahiti please... along with my severance package ... 3. abelenkpe (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:25 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 5,988 Pass single payer Son...Obamacare is LAW, haven't ya heard? Why pass something that's going to give the consumer more choice than the federal brand? 4. SoCalNative (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:28 pm) Reply to abelenkpe (#3) - Post Count: 1,669 Exactly Same thing. 5. villager (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:30 pm) Reply to SoCalNative (#4) - Post Count: 18,231 exactly exactly! Healthcare, and even more visionary climate change response "Visionary" climate change = no oil, no gas, no coal, no nukes, no shit...whoops, I mean plenty of horseshit when we go back to horse and buggy... 9. SDjack (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:38 pm) Reply to villager (#5) - Post Count: 819 Make ObamaCare so good that Rethugs can't rip out its roots.  Then, for the next 40 years, no goper can be elected without signing the pledge to do no harm to ObamaCare.  Congrats on your super majority. "Sign Zee Pledge, old man!!" 7. LonePirate (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:32 pm) Reply to abelenkpe (#3) - Post Count: 1,366 A single payer health care system would benefit not only CA but the entire nation It would serve as a model for other states and for the federal government as well. They should also pass marriage equality again if the US Supreme Court overturns the ruling in the Prop 8 case. Let's get this straight, dimbulb...OBAMACARE PASSED!! How can you have two single payer systems? And correct me if I'm wrong, but how can you pass a law if the Supreme court says it's illegal? If we can do that, why can't Mississipi ban abortions? Oooops... 6. mitchtv (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:30 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 17,142 remove commercial property from Prop 13 coverage It's  time Yep..can't have the EEEEE-vil business owners use the money to do selfish things...like stock, overhead, your salary, your social security...stuff like that... Ban jumps back into this managerie... 8. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:36 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 886 Change the meeting laws to shut out GOP input As a supermajority, they can severely restrict the options the GOP has, including rejection of bills before consideration. They should also vote by a process called "partisan unanimity." This means that the votes are called by party, rather than alphabetically, with the caveat that once enough votes are cast that reaches a majority + 1, the voting STOPS at that point. This will allow the vote to be reported as a UNANIMOUS vote which allows us to control the message more. A supermajority can set the voting in committees to follow this process, which if used properly can make it harder for the GOP to explain themselves to their constituents. "Partisan unanimity".... WTF, OVER! All show, no substance, just so the newsbites can get after the GOP members who don't even get to vote, let alone give any input. 10. jenw2 (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:45 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 345 Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA or at least not move out of the state.  If the taxes were higher, the state could offer more benefits to having a business in the state.  The company I work for now moved out of the county into a city that had a 1.5% BO tax.  I hear my conservative boss and owner whine constantly about that tax, but they know damn well they get more back from it, or they wouldn't have moved here.  The proof is in the facts except for with their type. "Conservative" boss?? Why do you work there, HE'S enslaving you for your wages so he can go to Karl Rove's poker parties and laugh at your proletarian ass... YOU DUMMIE!! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IF HE WERE A LIB, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE WORKING THERE? <<sigh>> 13. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (6:27 pm) Reply to BanTheGOP (Original post) - Post Count: 886 What Constitutional Amendments can they put on the ballot? With the supermajority, they can put any measure on the ballot without the preapproval of thousands of signatures, and only require a simple majority of the population. What are some amendment requests do you have for California? 1. Affirmative Action amendment: Require every business, organization, and association to ethnic, racial, and gender-based categories for their ownership, management, and complete management, student, or employment base. Establish fines for not achieving compliance with formulas set by agencies appointed by a newly-formed Committee on Diversified Associations. 2. Maximum income + General worth tax amendment (Income $X, Assets $Y): Requires income amounts, dividend amounts, and a percentage of the amount of all global assets to be repatriated by the state. It's a two-part fee; first all income and dividends are added up to a single figure. If this figure comes out to over $X, then ALL amounts over X are owed the state, MINUS the federal taxes owed. Second, all assets (including the income and dividend return after taxes), such as worth of house, cars, etc., would be assessed; if they are over amount $Y, then the amount owed would be Assets minus $Y. 3. Reparations amendment: Separate from the Affirmative Action amendment, this amendment would acknowledge the debt owed to African Americans by the country. The amount would allow the state to precisely calculate the prorated amount of debt by non-African Americans that will be used to fund African-American projects, and African Americans whom can prove lineage to slaves can apply for special family funds. More amendment ideas, please. Oh, Go to hell Ban, my humor is wore out...

[Chris_]

The GOP has a supermajority in Tennessee as well.

Let's see which one they complain about first.

[Carl]

Why do they think the results of all their tyranny will be just what they want rather then the obvious opposite?

[Skul]

I saw one of those parents away parties many years ago.
The house was trashed by the freeloaders.
Helped the kid try to clean up. (Structural damage was done)
Never went to another.
BtG is one of those freeloaders. What a DUmbass.

[Ogre]

The fascist is strong with this one, and the left wonders why we oppose them and their batshit crazy ideology.

[Big Dog]

When Kansas' Legislature meets in January, we will have Republican supermajorities in both houses, a conservative Republican governor, and a Constitutionally-mandated deficit-free state budget. Our air is free of the smell of patchouli, and our wide open spaces are moonbat free (with the exception of a small infestation in Lawrence).

Life is good.

How close is California to bankruptcy again, DUmmy?

[Big Don]

Well, Sparky, how long does it take to get used to the cold?

[GOBUCKS]

When Kansas' Legislature meets in January, we will have Republican supermajorities in both houses, a conservative Republican governor, and a Constitutionally-mandated deficit-free state budget. Our air is free of the smell of patchouli, and our wide open spaces are moonbat free (with the exception of a small infestation in Lawrence).

Uh, you still have Pam Dawson in Wichita, and Proud2BDUmb Anne Pritchett in KC.

It's pretty remarkable for a state as small as Kansas to afflict us with two consecutive Top DUmmies

[jukin]

Boeing has now shut down all manufacturing in kalifornia.

Thing is DUches, I give a good deal to my tenants based on Prop13. If all of a sudden my property taxes get jacked up 4-5 thousand that gets straight on passed to them. They already got a rent increase for the 4% Obamatax. A couple new assessments passed too. Those go straight through to the renters. Don't think that any of us will just say OK, I'll eat that tax increase and not pass it on.  I hate to do it but it will be done. I have good people that know I give a great value. Those people will lose that. I will have no problem renting at the new costs.

Someday you will understand that taxes and regulation costs get passed right down to the end user.

[USA4ME]

All I can do is shake my head and laugh at someone that stupid.

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[Big Dog]

Uh, you still have Pam Dawson in Wichita, and Proud2BDUmb Anne Pritchett in KC.

It's pretty remarkable for a state as small as Kansas to afflict us with two consecutive Top DUmmies

It's kinda like Lion Country Safari. You don't really expect to find African lions in North America, yet there they are.

Last time I was in Wichita, I found Pam Dawson lying on the hood of my truck when I came out of the cigar shop. I pointed off in the distance and shouted, "Look over there, It's Peter Cetera!" She rolled off the hood and schlepped off in the direction I had pointed, frantically huffing the trumpet riff from 25 or 6 to 4.

[Ballygrl]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

[jukin]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

The DREAM act kids studying Chicano Studies will add so much tax revenue, we won't know what to do with it.

[GOP Congress]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Read through the OP. Ban is suggesting that the idiots pass a law fining the businesses heavily if they try to move out of state.

[USA4ME]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Legalize and tax pot.

I say that tounge-in-cheek, but it is California, so one can never tell.

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[Chris_]

Legalize and tax pot.

I say that tounge-in-cheek, but it is California, so one can never tell.

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[Big Dog]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Directive 10-289 is coming.

[Ptarmigan]

How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Shooting themselves in the feet.

[Zathras]

10. jenw2

Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA

In what world would any sane business person come to California if they have to pay a HIGHER tax rate than other places in the country....or for that matter stay there if they're already here?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

They speak of "the will of the people" but want to do away with a proposition passed by referendum.

They can't live up to their own ideals for the space of a single internet post.

[BlueStateSaint]

In what world would any sane business person come to California if they have to pay a HIGHER tax rate than other places in the country....or for that matter stay there if they're already here?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[JohnnyReb]

Why does the DUmmie want to go to all that trouble when he can just move to North Korea now.

[Wineslob]

Again, just when I think they can't get any DUmber..................... 

As a minimum, the first thing the legislature should do is to kill the 1978 law, Proposition 13. Specifically, not to repeal the actual law, but to legislatively negate its effects, and tailor it so we can get our money back from the corporate loophole ingrates.

In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring.

As a home owner, prop 13 saves me tons of money from leeches like you.


Ah yes, comrade, we MUST adhere.

How about we ban you, you stupid, fume sucking piece of dog shit.

[Carl]

Gosh they almost sound like people that would build a wall in the middle of a city to keep people from leaving.
Now who would do such a thing?

[Rebel]

10. jenw2- Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:45 pm)


Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA

or at least not move out of the state.  If the taxes were higher, the state could offer more benefits to having a business in the state.  The company I work for now moved out of the county into a city that had a 1.5% BO tax.  I hear my conservative boss and owner whine constantly about that tax, but they know damn well they get more back from it, or they wouldn't have moved here.  The proof is in the facts except for with their type.