Boehner: Obamacare is law of the land, Ryan not the GOP leader

[formerlurker]

for formerlurker:

+1

Very, very well said.

Thanks - I am soapbox trigger happy lately because while losing sucks, I look at it as a time to reflect on what went wrong and how to change the delivery of your message so people understand what you stand for.

You don't have to change your message.   You just need to admit you sucked at delivering it, and if you can't or won't fix that then you are dead in the water.   

I won't wallow in misery.  That's for losers.   The message is just too damn important to abandon.

[USA4ME]

There isn't a message in the world right now that's going to overcome "free money."

I'm reflecting too and I also see the landscape.  We've crossed over into entitlementworld and everyday is Christmas.  And the numbers who want to live their lives that way are growing because they don't want to work for it.  It's just to this point we had enough people who were ashamed to take handouts.  Not anymore.

I would have prefered everyone pull their portion of the wagon and everyone succeed.  But there's a increasing number of moochers who don't.  Fine, if that's the game they want to play, I can play it, too.  I know how to get more presents than they do, and they'll hate me for it, but it was their choice.

If other conservatives here or anywhere want to take a different path, then by all means I wish you the best.  I'm going to go ahead and get a head start on where I think you'll eventually see were headed anyway.

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[Lacarnut]

You would be mistaken.  I defended the nonsense you spewed about him but at that time was undecided who I would be supporting, and hmmm let's go back a week and look at your pro-Romney posts.   So now all of a sudden you are a purist again.   

You'll be damned?   You don't do anything but bitch on a website.   

Brown got beat because the Democratic machine churned out a perfect win for all of their candidates state wide.  They worked their asses off.   You of course wouldn't know anything about that.  You will never get your perfect candidate past the primaries because you won't do the work for them.  All talk - always always always all talk. 

Mitt was for cap and trade. Facts are that he joined the 12 eastern states in that stupidity as Gov.  He appointed a number of homos to his administration. He was the father of Obamacare.


You lie at backing him during the primaries and then you come here and act like a conservative. You are a disgusting RINO. All that talk you are doing is just BS.

[delilahmused]

If that was possible it already would have been achieved.  

The country elected a socialist because the RINO wasn't conservative enough?   Does that make ANY sense at all?

This whole GOP establishment talk really makes me laugh out loud.  Come one already.   The "establishment" has been in place since the country was founded (worse so then).  

I'll be more blunt:  Candidates win because their campaigns BUST THEIR ASSES.  Period.   End of freakin sentence.    You may not like the means to which they reach the end (union manipulation, PAC unsavory behavior, control of media), but at the end of the very long campaign season THEY WORKED HARDER.    

You want your extreme right wing candidate to win - then get busy, and when I say get busy I mean you have to do more than write posts on conservative websites.    Draw up a winning blueprint and get to work.  You have two years for the midterms and four for the prize.

Anything else is just blowhard nonsense.

Actually, GOPCongress has a valid point. For the past decade or so, when it comes to the senate and congress the "leaders" (speaker of the house, senate majority/minority leader, etc.) have mostly been part of the RINO establishment elite, chosen because it's their "turn". This has also been the case the last couple of elections. McCain & Romney, though honorable men, were not the choice of the run of the mill conservative, but got there by a process of elimination. If you look at the primaries (and this is where the media was all too happy to help), the conservatives were picked off one by one.

Now these elitist cocktail party crowd live in a bubble. They listen to the left that tells them you can't be "mean" or "confrontational" or you'll offend the squishy middle. Never occurs to these RINO's that the same doesn't apply to the left and it might be a good idea realize that. They're told they have to track left if they want to attract that same squishy middle. The left has been telling them this for years and for years they've bought it. How ****ing stupid is that? You'd think someone, even IF they're in a liberal bubble of media and politicians, would realize the democrats probably don't have the republicans' best interest at heart. Kinda fits the definition of insanity...that whole continuing to do the same thing over and over again even though it's never worked. If McCain & Romney tracked anymore to the left they might as well put a D behind their names.

Yet, we have a perfect example of what works: strong conservatism! The squishy middle aren't looking for Mr. Nice Guy (if they were they certainly wouldn't vote for the left), they're looking for strong leadership. How do we know this? Reagan winning 2 landslides and the ushering in of conservatives from local government to the congress in the 2010 midterms. That was the biggest shellacking this country has ever seen. Nor were they all kicked out in this election despite 0bama winning reelection. We even picked up a few more this time around. Because we ARE a center right, patriotic nation but we don't want milquetoast leaders. Yes, 0bama is weak, but he doesn't project that to the people. HE TOOK THE FIGHT TO ROMNEY...Romney did not reciprocate and he had plenty of ammunition. For whatever reason the RINO establishment has decided that they need to try to be "above the fray". But it only makes them seem inaccessible, weak and aloof. For ages now the elite has been a bunch of stodgy old white guys while our party has become much more diverse (evidenced by our governors, congressmen (state & federal), etc.

It's time for us to clean house. There are more of us and we do have power. This election is the perfect catalyst. We can either become a strong conservative party to counterbalance the left or we can continue to lose because we're simply democrat light. Breitbart had a great article on their site the other day about how we have all but ignored pop culture (that's actually a great way to attract young conservatives). We have conservative singers & actors but we don't embrace them. Our candidates think it's beneath them to go on The Tonight Show or Letterman but that's one of the reasons 0bama seems more connected to the people. Our side acts like they're too good for that kind of thing. We don't have to lose our values or what we stand for to embrace the modern world. It's not the 1980's anymore but you wouldn't know it from the RINO elite.

Cindie

[formerlurker]

Mitt was for cap and trade. Facts are that he joined the 12 eastern states in that stupidity as Gov.  He appointed a number of homos to his administration. He was the father of Obamacare.


You lie at backing him during the primaries and then you come here and act like a conservative. You are a disgusting RINO. All that talk you are doing is just BS.

Lacarnut - there is pharmacies full of medication for what you have.   You are completely unbalanced.   

[formerlurker]

Actually, GOPCongress has a valid point. For the past decade or so, when it comes to the senate and congress the "leaders" (speaker of the house, senate majority/minority leader, etc.) have mostly been part of the RINO establishment elite, chosen because it's their "turn". This has also been the case the last couple of elections. McCain & Romney, though honorable men, were not the choice of the run of the mill conservative, but got there by a process of elimination. If you look at the primaries (and this is where the media was all too happy to help), the conservatives were picked off one by one.

Now these elitist cocktail party crowd live in a bubble. They listen to the left that tells them you can't be "mean" or "confrontational" or you'll offend the squishy middle. Never occurs to these RINO's that the same doesn't apply to the left and it might be a good idea realize that. They're told they have to track left if they want to attract that same squishy middle. The left has been telling them this for years and for years they've bought it. How ****ing stupid is that? You'd think someone, even IF they're in a liberal bubble of media and politicians, would realize the democrats probably don't have the republicans' best interest at heart. Kinda fits the definition of insanity...that whole continuing to do the same thing over and over again even though it's never worked. If McCain & Romney tracked anymore to the left they might as well put a D behind their names.

Yet, we have a perfect example of what works: strong conservatism! The squishy middle aren't looking for Mr. Nice Guy (if they were they certainly wouldn't vote for the left), they're looking for strong leadership. How do we know this? Reagan winning 2 landslides and the ushering in of conservatives from local government to the congress in the 2010 midterms. That was the biggest shellacking this country has ever seen. Nor were they all kicked out in this election despite 0bama winning reelection. We even picked up a few more this time around. Because we ARE a center right, patriotic nation but we don't want milquetoast leaders. Yes, 0bama is weak, but he doesn't project that to the people. HE TOOK THE FIGHT TO ROMNEY...Romney did not reciprocate and he had plenty of ammunition. For whatever reason the RINO establishment has decided that they need to try to be "above the fray". But it only makes them seem inaccessible, weak and aloof. For ages now the elite has been a bunch of stodgy old white guys while our party has become much more diverse (evidenced by our governors, congressmen (state & federal), etc.

It's time for us to clean house. There are more of us and we do have power. This election is the perfect catalyst. We can either become a strong conservative party to counterbalance the left or we can continue to lose because we're simply democrat light. Breitbart had a great article on their site the other day about how we have all but ignored pop culture (that's actually a great way to attract young conservatives). We have conservative singers & actors but we don't embrace them. Our candidates think it's beneath them to go on The Tonight Show or Letterman but that's one of the reasons 0bama seems more connected to the people. Our side acts like they're too good for that kind of thing. We don't have to lose our values or what we stand for to embrace the modern world. It's not the 1980's anymore but you wouldn't know it from the RINO elite.

Cindie

The RINO establishment?  

Ok, clean house.    Do you know what it will entail to do so?  because it will take a lot more than a few thousand people claiming they will on internet boards.  

That is why it NEVER happens, which is the point of my posts here.   We are heading into another election cycle where there is a lot of tough talk and precious little action.    Lot's of work to be done, so y'all need to get busy.

[formerlurker]

There isn't a message in the world right now that's going to overcome "free money."

I'm reflecting too and I also see the landscape.  We've crossed over into entitlementworld and everyday is Christmas.  And the numbers who want to live their lives that way are growing because they don't want to work for it.  It's just to this point we had enough people who were ashamed to take handouts.  Not anymore.

I would have prefered everyone pull their portion of the wagon and everyone succeed.  But there's a increasing number of moochers who don't.  Fine, if that's the game they want to play, I can play it, too.  I know how to get more presents than they do, and they'll hate me for it, but it was their choice.

If other conservatives here or anywhere want to take a different path, then by all means I wish you the best.  I'm going to go ahead and get a head start on where I think you'll eventually see were headed anyway.

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I agree with you 100% in the entitlement mindset being the reason Romney lost.   Obama's campaign targeted those voters and made sure they voted (Elizabeth Warren's daughter spearheaded a voter registration drive through welfare benefits - she forced states to send voter registrations to those who collect welfare).    Sleazy, disgusting, are you kidding me politics?  yes.   But it was clearly successful.   

Right now I don't have an answer to how you deliver the message in an effective manner as it will take the perfect candidate to do so.   I have no idea who that will be right now.   When honest, hard working Republicans like Brown and Romney lose handily it really sends a come to Jesus moment for the party as a whole.     

I attended a conference on education this week where I was told by a Washington lobbyist that the Democrats are turning on the NEA (he was actually very upset about it and was trying to elicit my support in joining the forces to stop it).   The most powerful union in the country has gotten too big for its britches and is about to be taken down several dozen notches.   Very very interesting to see how this progresses.   Take union power out of elections?  oh my, what a game changer.   

[franksolich]

Lacarnut, sir, you know I admire and respect you on a higher level than most here.

You've been around; you know what's going on.  I take in every word you write, because it's solid.

But I'm perplexed at your exasperation about northeastern Republicans, who apparently haven't been conservative enough.

One takes what one can get, and if a Republican in a northeastern state has to be more "liberal" than a Republican in the South or on the Great Plains, well, if that's all one can get, one had better take it, as part of a loaf is better than not even a crumb.

A northeastern Republican adds to making a majority, and as the majority consensus in the Republican party is conservative, even a liberal northeastern Republican helps this side.  I give you the example of the ultra-liberal late Senator Jacob Javits of New York, for example.  Or more recently, the late Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, until he "turned" (Javits, made of sterner stuff, would've never turned, though).

I have my own preferences for Republican candidates, and even though a conservative, I have differences with other's preferences--such as a southern preference or a northeastern preference or a Texas preference or a west coast preference--but in the end, if everybody in their own particular region has a Republican candidate suitable to them, and likely to win, I toss my Populist Great Plains ideology aside, and go with them.

The essential nature of the Republican party is conservative, and including some we consider "liberal" doesn't dilute that.

We need those numbers.

[BlueStateSaint]

Lacarnut, sir, you know I admire and respect you on a higher level than most here.

You've been around; you know what's going on.  I take in every word you write, because it's solid.

But I'm perplexed at your exasperation about northeastern Republicans, who apparently haven't been conservative enough.

One takes what one can get, and if a Republican in a northeastern state has to be more "liberal" than a Republican in the South or on the Great Plains, well, if that's all one can get, one had better take it, as part of a loaf is better than not even a crumb.

A northeastern Republican adds to making a majority, and as the majority consensus in the Republican party is conservative, even a liberal northeastern Republican helps this side.  I give you the example of the ultra-liberal late Senator Jacob Javits of New York, for example.  Or more recently, the late Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, until he "turned" (Javits, made of sterner stuff, would've never turned, though).

I have my own preferences for Republican candidates, and even though a conservative, I have differences with other's preferences--such as a southern preference or a northeastern preference or a Texas preference or a west coast preference--but in the end, if everybody in their own particular region has a Republican candidate suitable to them, and likely to win, I toss my Populist Great Plains ideology aside, and go with them.

The essential nature of the Republican party is conservative, and including some we consider "liberal" doesn't dilute that.

We need those numbers.

Amen!  There are a few true-red Conservatives up in the Northeast.  But, population densities, and the prevailing sentiments up here, really keep us from getting--and, more importantly, maintaining--power.

I tend to think that there will be more than a few 'newly-minted' Conservatives that will come from the effects of Sandy.  But, we take what we can get.  George Pataki did incredible damage to the Republican brand in NY, so it may be a while before we get conservatives out of NY.  But there's a few somewhere in the shadows.

[Lacarnut]

Lacarnut - there is pharmacies full of medication for what you have.   You are completely unbalanced.   

No medication needed. Just pissed at a Yankee Repub posing as a conservative for President that lost the race because he was a me too candidate in the second and third debate. I did not think he could **** it up and lose after the first debate.

You are the one that needs meds for memory loss if you deny that Mitt was not for cap and trade, the father of Obamacare and flip flopped on a number of other social issues that were unpopular with conservatives.   

[Freeper]

I am starting to think that  Lacarnut and formerlurker should take this to the fight club. 

[Lacarnut]

 

I am still having a hangover from the election. That will pass but I have little hope for the Repub party. They are tilting to the left on economic, social and foreign issues. Boehner will cave on the majority of things that Obama wants such as taxes, debt and budget issues. For me, there is little diffierence between the two parties. Both big spenders, both will cut around the edges, both will kick the can down the road on entitlements,, taxes will go up, the debt ceiling will be agreed upon.

So in essence, what I am saying is that moderate Repubs like Romney, Specter, Javis is not the type of policies that are needed to turn this country around. If you can not confront evil, then the truth does not matter anymore. Romney had his chance to dispute Clinton and Obama's lies and he failed miserably.

In my opinion, northeastern Democrats and Republicans in the past and present have screwed this country up with their liberalism and radical environmentalism.. For example take wind power off the coast of MA. The energy rates will double and triple in future years because of high costs in producing that electricity. Glad I did not go to Harvard to learn that stupidity. It is hard to change the mentality of people that think they are the brightest bulb in the room.  

[Lacarnut]

I am starting to think that  Lacarnut and formerlurker should take this to the fight club. 

Nope.

We hashed this out during the primaries. She just has memory loss when it comes to her supporting Romney during that period. 

[formerlurker]

Nope.

We hashed this out during the primaries. She just has memory loss when it comes to her supporting Romney during that period. 

You post total garbage spoon fed to you because you are completely incapable of independent thought, I correct your nonsense and that somehow has me supporting Romney in the primaries.

Let me be perfectly clear for you - when I support someone, I have absolutely no problem disclosing my support.   Unlike you, I care very little what perfect strangers think of my opinions and have never been into the collective group think you seem to embrace so dearly.   

Do yourself a favor and just grow the hell up.   

[formerlurker]

I am starting to think that  Lacarnut and formerlurker should take this to the fight club. 

I had him on ignore forever and have no idea how he fell off that list.  He throws out ridiculous statements, can never support them with any credible links, and honestly - I don't even think he is capable of understanding half of the stuff he posts.

I will just put him back on ignore as he just isn't worth the effort.   

[Lacarnut]

You post total garbage spoon fed to you because you are completely incapable of independent thought, I correct your nonsense and that somehow has me supporting Romney in the primaries.

Let me be perfectly clear for you - when I support someone, I have absolutely no problem disclosing my support.   Unlike you, I care very little what perfect strangers think of my opinions and have never been into the collective group think you seem to embrace so dearly.   

Do yourself a favor and just grow the hell up.   

Do us all a favor and get meds for your memory loss.