Did Lockheed Martin Just Win Virginia for Obama?

[BadCat]

You can ask it until the cows come home its not going to make it any more relevant, the majority of union workers will vote democrat even if they think/know Obama trying to screw them over.

Oh, I agree with you.  Most Lockheed employees these days are white collar high tech types.  Especially in Virginia.

[EagleKeeper]

I will ask it until the cows come home.

The coal miners seem to be having a problem with what this administration is doing, do you disagree with that?

While I would agree that folkes tend to vote their best interest what you are saying is that these same folkes cannot see that "interest" when it is the administration doing it.

I don't know why you are making this arguement other then projection and that's fine but people know when they are getting screwed and when it comes as close to home as their paycheck, and it is political, they see it.

Although you may not.

[BigTex]

I will ask it until the cows come home.

The coal miners seem to be having a problem with what this administration is doing, do you disagree with that?

While I would agree that folkes tend to vote their best interest what you are saying is that these same folkes cannot see that "interest" when it is the administration doing it.

I don't know why you are making this arguement other then projection and that's fine but people know when they are getting screwed and when it comes as close to home as their paycheck, and it is political, they see it.

Although you may not.

Seeing it and voting against it are two very different things

[EagleKeeper]

Seeing it and voting against it are two very different things

Seriously, is that all you got?

I can say the same thing about just about anything.

Are you ignoring the coal miners?

So, I know that Obama is going to kill my job but what the heck, Id rather obama get elected then keep my job. Because, you know, it's important and whatnot.

I still say you are full of it, just because one is a member of a union does not make one check the democratic check box by default.

One might look at Wisconsin.

[BigTex]

Seriously, is that all you got?

I can say the same thing about just about anything.

Are you ignoring the coal miners?

So, I know that Obama is going to kill my job but what the heck, Id rather obama get elected then keep my job. Because, you know, it's important and whatnot.

I still say you are full of it, just because one is a member of a union does not make one check the democratic check box by default.

One might look at Wisconsin.

You mean where 62% of union households and 71% of union members voted against Walker? I never said all union members vote democrat only that the majority do.

[EagleKeeper]

This is not me...it's from here...

Wisconsin Recall Election Spending Tops $60 Million

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/wisconsin-recall-election-spending-tops-60-million/

So they still lost, what are we to make of this?

The most expensive campaign in the history of the US waged by unions and they lost.

No matter what they did they could not convince the electorate to vote Walker out of office.

Just as an aside, where did you get your numbers?

[jukin]

I got my first knock in the head about unions in 1983. The first machine I was the project engineer was scheduled to go to Lockheed in Murretta (SP? it was 30 years ago) at the C5A plant. Pretty amazing place.  I go to install one of the prototypes and had two union guys to assist me. They did nothing to assist except call an electrician once to get power to the machine and tell me where tools were. Maybe they were playing with the cali-youngster but they sat at their desk, never got up or did a thing. The only way I could tell they were on break was they would read a newspaper for break. At the 15 they folded it and got back to doing nothing.

[EagleKeeper]

Thanks Jukin,

But I think that the deal is that although how dumb and self destructive union members may be they do see the writing on the wall when their jobs are chopping block.

The MIC sees it they are not stupid, their jobs are hanging in the ether and they know it.

[BigTex]

This is not me...it's from here...

Wisconsin Recall Election Spending Tops $60 Million

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/wisconsin-recall-election-spending-tops-60-million/

So they still lost, what are we to make of this?

The most expensive campaign in the history of the US waged by unions and they lost.

No matter what they did they could not convince the electorate to vote Walker out of office.

Just as an aside, where did you get your numbers?

changing your narrative I see, your claim was that bad polices would make union workers see the light

Walker won 38 percent of the vote among members of union households, exit polling shows , roughly reflecting the partisan breakdown among union members.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/05/us/politics/wisconsin-recall-exit-polls.html

democrat union members voted democrat and republican union members voted republican, no one saw the light

[EagleKeeper]

democrat union members voted democrat and republican union members voted republican, no one saw the light

I will take this at face value.

Unions spent 60 million+ to defeat Walker...they lost.

I don't have numbers on how the union vote went, I recon this might not have been a part of exit polling.

I will look at this, stay tuned.

[BigTex]

I will take this at face value.

Unions spent 60 million+ to defeat Walker...they lost.

I don't have numbers on how the union vote went, I recon this might not have been a part of exit polling.

I will look at this, stay tuned.

Unions will spent a lot more to keep Obama in office, they will lose also, but union democrats will still vote for Obama

[EagleKeeper]

This is the first link if you do a search...

wisconsin union exit polling

So this i the first link...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77118.html

Politico is not my first choice for acurate reporting but there it is.

[BigTex]

This is the first link if you do a search...

wisconsin union exit polling

So this i the first link...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77118.html

Politico is not my first choice for acurate reporting but there it is.

from that article which doesnt tell how unions voted only if they favored Walkers policies, there was a link to the ABC page

One-third of voters said they were from union households, up from 26 percent two years ago, and those voters favored Barrett by a broad 62-38 percent. It was about the same margin as Barrett won among union household voters in 2010, although this time there were more of them.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/whatever-walkers-fate-obama-leads-romney-in-wisco/

[EagleKeeper]

Unions will spent a lot more to keep Obama in office, they will lose also, but union democrats will still vote for Obama

Would you please post any evidence you have to support what you are saying.

Anything...At all...you say things but without any substance.

[jukin]

Eagle Keeper, I used to think that but I see lots of hard leftists willing to cutoff their nose to keep the donks in power. Common sense ain't so common. I hope they vote their economic well being but a large percentage of Jews voted for Hitler. Sometimes people are blinded, especially if they leftists and can't make the leap of what happens two or three steps down the road. I fully  think most union people are so indoctrinated that they can't vote their own interests. Now the coal miners have seen what happens, the Lock-Mart people have not, but they will. Hence why so important to not send out the slips.

[BigTex]

Would you please post any evidence you have to support what you are saying.

Anything...At all...you say things but without any substance.

I have already posted the NYT and ABC exit polls showing the unions voting against Walker but you ignore them. The substance is there but you are willfully ignorant to it.

[EagleKeeper]

Jukin, thanks

My point is that I don't think that union members are sewed up by the administration.

Has anyone looked at the right to work states?

How is that working out for the union leaders? Do you think that the unions are in trouble?

I just do not buy that union workers for Lockheed Martin and other contractors buy what is going on in regards to the administration.

[EagleKeeper]

I have already posted the NYT and ABC exit polls showing the unions voting against Walker but you ignore them. The substance is there but you are willfully ignorant to it.

I won't even bother bolding them, it is what it is.

[BigTex]

I won't even bother bolding them, it is what it is.

WaPo

Exit polls show union voters supported Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D) by a 71 to 29 percent margin over Walker.

Fox News

CNN

National Journal

Some observers expected the collective bargaining issue to strike a chord with union members, and while union households voted in greater numbers than they did in 2010, Walker's 38-percent performance among these voters was virtually identical to the 37 percent he won two years ago.

CNSNews

The network exit poll  for the special election showed that Walker won the votes of 38 percent of voters who said they were a union member or lived in a household with a union member.

[EagleKeeper]

Ok, lets look at this...

Men were also a crucial Walker voting group and made up half of the electorate today.  This is another voting bloc where Walker’s edge ticked up from 2010 (by two percentage point) to 59% over Barrett's 40%.
 
Men
Barrett             40%
Walker             59%


Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/scott-walker/2012/06/06/exit-poll-tea-party-key-walker-win#ixzz28BfrpHZo

First of all.. I'd like to repeate this...

Men were also a crucial Walker voting group and made up half of the electorate today.  This is another voting bloc where Walker’s edge ticked up from 2010 (by two percentage point) to 59% over Barrett's 40%.

Oh what the hell, this is a june 5th poll so here we go...




More than half of voters in today’s recall -- 54 percent -- were working class whites.  Walker won here as well -- gaining three percentage points from 2010.
 
Working Class Whites
Barrett  38%
Walker  61%
 



Thirty-three percent of voters today live in a union household.  That’s up from 26% union households in the 2010 election.  Even so, that wasn’t enough to help Barrett.
 
Union Households
Barrett             62%
Walker             38%
 



A 54-percent majority give Walker a thumbs-up for his handling of job creation.
 
Walker's Handling Of Job Creation
Approve          54%
Disapprove      45%
 



In addition, a bare 52-percent majority of voters approves of the new Wisconsin law that limits the ability of government workers to collectively bargain over pay and benefits.
 
Law Limiting Ability To Collectively Bargain Over Pay And Benefits
Approve          52%   
Disapprove      47%
 



Similar numbers approve of how Walker handled the collective bargaining issue.
 
Walker’s Handling Of Collective Bargaining
Approve          52%   
Disapprove      47%
 



Looking ahead to 2012, here’s what the Fox News exit poll says about the Barack Obama-Mitt Romney matchup.
 
In 2008, Obama won Wisconsin by 14 percentage points.  Among recall voters today, he topped Romney by seven points in a 2012 matchup, besting the former governor 51% to 44%.  Among Obama backers, 18% say they voted for Walker today.
 
2012 Presidential Election
Obama             51%   
Romney           44%   
Wouldn’t vote    3%
 

Meanwhile, by 42-38 percent, more voters say Obama than Romney would do a better job improving the economy.   Some 19% say "neither" would.
 
Who Would Do A Better Job Handling Economy?
Obama             42%
Romney           38%
Neither            19%
 
On which candidate would do a better job "helping the middle class" -- Obama again tops Romney by 46-37 percent.
 
Who Would Do A Better Job Helping The Middle Class?
Obama             46%
Romney           37%
Neither            16%
 
 


Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/scott-walker/2012/06/06/exit-poll-tea-party-key-walker-win#ixzz28BguElXU

[delilahmused]

Seeing it and voting against it are two very different things

What planet did you come from? These people know they're going to lose their jobs whether they're in a union or not. They know, union or not, under 0bama the steep defense cuts will definitely go through...that pretty much guarantees permanent unemployment. They also know, union or not, under Romney these steep defense cuts won't be made (or if they're inevitable they'll be reversed with a new executive budget). People vote with their pocketbook. The unions don't have the hold they used to.

Cindie

[jukin]

Eagle Keeper, I so hope you are correct. I am a cautious optimist which in my mind means hope for the best but expect the worst. Sadly the last 6 years have only supported the expect the worst part.

[EagleKeeper]

Jukin

I understand 4 yearsbut I'm not sure where you are getting 6 years from.

Could you show me some love and explain?

[jukin]

Jukin

I understand 4 yearsbut I'm not sure where you are getting 6 years from.

Could you show me some love and explain?

The whole mess started under the control of the democrat party in the senate and HOR. There wee lots of bad things that Nanzi and Harry put through that bush could not veto. In fact they only gave him a CR to get through until 0bama was emaculated and signed that first $1.8 trillion dollar deficit budget for FY 09.