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Offline franksolich

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laying on side
« on: September 30, 2012, 09:23:38 AM »
I'll ask this the next time I see a physician, but in the meantime, I'd like to know what others think.

I have large ulcers, a series of them, running from the base of the throat down to the small intestine.

Ulcers don't seem to have ever run in the family; these seem stress-induced.

I've been under medical observation for a few years for this, and had surgery one time (small intestine).

I'm not on any pharmaceuticals; it's pretty much diet-controlled, by refraining from exotic cuisine, sticking with the basics (and fortunately I've always favored the basics, over the exotic).  And I quit my four-aspirin-a-day habit three years ago, after having done that for about 25 years; in the past three years, I've had maybe six aspirin, total.  I don't take fake aspirin, no way.

Alas, any more, coffee only two times a day--but while that was a big habit in the past, that wasn't hard to cut down.  And I seriously doubt anyone would call the coffee I drink "strong, then or now.  In fact, when I was a big coffee drinker, I was always twitted about how weak it was.

Cigarette smoker, who stayed "clean" ten weeks earlier this year, and am gearing up to give it another go soon.

The Great Barack Drought of '12 devasted me greatly; it's been over about a month now, but I'm still told I look as if a dried, parched, starving, wild-eyed survivor of a 120-day trek through the desert.

I've noticed something the past few weeks.

I've always slept on my right side; as far back as I can remember.

Whenever a particular ulcer that's located right underneath the right rib-cage flares up, if I lay down, the upper half of the body slightly sloping upward (say, 10, 15, 20 degrees; something like that), it goes away after an hour or two, as it just did now.

There isn't any pressure applied on it, as I don't weigh that much; the waist-line's about an inch thinner than as shown on my avatar.

 As I said, I'll ask a competent medical professional about this the next time I'm there, but can anyone speculate as to why this is?
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 11:51:25 AM »
I've read recently that many gastric ulcers are being caused by a bacterial infection that was very hard to diagnose.

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Re: laying on side
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 12:22:46 PM »
I've read recently that many gastric ulcers are being caused by a bacterial infection that was very hard to diagnose.

That's always on the table, but professional medical advice for now says it looks to be stress-caused.

<<tries to alleviate stress by beating up on the primitives; it works, at least temporarily.
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 02:09:18 PM »
I've read recently that many gastric ulcers are being caused by a bacterial infection that was very hard to diagnose.

Very true one of my kids lived on tums etc. and finally a few shots of some kind killed the damn things. 

I do the apple cider old time method, seems sometimes the stomach gets sluggish and cuts down on pepside output.  Bland foods I guess.    So a few spoonfuls of the Vinager ---GASP----- jump starts the production on natural pepsides and gets production naturally.

Yes I know, here you are bent over in pain and are told to ADD acid to your body, sounds crazy, but it works for us .

I have heard that people that eat a diet high in acids, South Americans and Asians ulcers are almost unknown in their country's. 

If you vacation  in their country's and become ill from ulcers the Doctors and Hospital may see only one patient with ulcers every 5 years. The theory here is people that go from birth to death with a high acid diet keep the stomach from getting lazy and shutting down the pepside protection . 

When one takes a Tums this takes care of the acid  and the stomach gets even lazier.  Come to a point when the body depends on outside forces to protect the stomach.   

Good School friend went into alternative healing and saved my sanity with this knowledge-----An RN,

So Frank, do you still have your Gallbladder ?     

Then if you have for 35-40 years slept on just one side your body organs may have all adjusted to spending 8-9 hours a night all moving up to lay against one another.  As you age the organs may be changing and time to try sleeping on your back. 

And this is not an easy habit to break.     My Chiropractor  gave me a lesson on this.    All my life a belly sleeper, he showed me how to align pillows so I had no choice but to lay flat out like I was dead in a casket.  Took weeks until I could sleep on my back, the old laying on belly and side to side was a subconscious act, I asleep had no idea what I was doing. 
Sort of like sleeping on your back between rows of sand bags, no way to roll over.

Took 4 weeks before I could sleep soundly in this position,  not just internal organs but my hips and legs. arms. spine. and shoulders objected. My lungs had to adjust as well as my heart.    Every thing in its place and not crowding other organs.

It takes years to undue old habits  these start at birth, us old folk were put to sleep on our stomach's so if we spit up up we would not choke.   We raised our children this way and today we are told this is a no no.   Baby's go on their backs, not their sides just flat on their backs.

So you have slept on one side most of your life, now you have pain doing so.   You may have heard of the Palmer institute, the students are doctors that have Md's and gone another 4 years into the study of the spine-----Cracker Backers.  ----

Have to realise the Huge number of phonies out there but if you can find one that is the real thing it is surprising to see what they Can do.       

  BIL hurt him self in a fall, doctors wanted to operate, the poor man could not bend over enough to put his key in the ignition of his truck. Then Hubby sent him to his chiropractor poor BIL needed help getting into the car.   He came home after just on adjustment standing tall and  I can tell you I could not believe it. He went back 3 times and that was that, problem all gone.


     
   

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Re: laying on side
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 03:01:39 PM »
Perforated ulcer March 22, 1972 - a date hard to forget! I just wanted to die. Perforation was closed. But I still needed a 75% gastrectomy in '74. More corrective surgery in '80 to correct a bad Roux and Y. A dozen or so bleeding episodes up to about '95.

I'll eat anything that doesn't bite back, and I live on ranitidine and famotdine. I buy the generics at Walmart.

I can only sleep on my left side, sleeping on my right side causes reflux and bile return. And I avoid eating after 6pm.
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 10:14:57 AM »
That's always on the table, but professional medical advice for now says it looks to be stress-caused.

<<tries to alleviate stress by beating up on the primitives; it works, at least temporarily.


I hate to say it, but it could be dealing with the Primitives that's the problem.

Do you stay away from dairy (knows you drink ALOT of milk) and tomato based foods?


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Re: laying on side
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 11:20:34 AM »
Gastro issues and autism are extremely common.

That said.  My son had serious reflux - max dose of Rx for a 4 year old.   We did elimination diet.  No luck.   Two scopes.  His gastro specialist was extremely concerned.   

Biopsy showed it was an allergen triggering the reflux.    Allergen removed, completely cured.

Have a scope done, see what they find in biopsy. 


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Re: laying on side
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 06:29:29 PM »
Gastro issues and autism are extremely common.

That said.  My son had serious reflux - max dose of Rx for a 4 year old.   We did elimination diet.  No luck.   Two scopes.  His gastro specialist was extremely concerned.   

Biopsy showed it was an allergen triggering the reflux.    Allergen removed, completely cured.

Have a scope done, see what they find in biopsy. 



A scope was done, oh, maybe two years ago, when I had the small intestine repaired.

There wasn't anything indicating external forces.

Of course what's missed the first time can be found the second time, and so on, so everything's still on the table re: the origin of this problem, but the professional opinions at the moment are simply that it's the corrosive effects of unrelenting stress.
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 07:32:17 PM »
Gastro issues and autism are extremely common.

That said.  My son had serious reflux - max dose of Rx for a 4 year old.   We did elimination diet.  No luck.   Two scopes.  His gastro specialist was extremely concerned.   

Biopsy showed it was an allergen triggering the reflux.    Allergen removed, completely cured.

Have a scope done, see what they find in biopsy. 



What is the allergen FL?

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Re: laying on side
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 05:55:21 PM »
What is the allergen FL?

Oil - there was an oil spill at the school building he was in.   He changed schools and the reflux is completely gone, and the surgical scope showed his esophagus is healed.




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Re: laying on side
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 05:57:14 PM »
A scope was done, oh, maybe two years ago, when I had the small intestine repaired.

There wasn't anything indicating external forces.

Of course what's missed the first time can be found the second time, and so on, so everything's still on the table re: the origin of this problem, but the professional opinions at the moment are simply that it's the corrosive effects of unrelenting stress.

Green Tea is a life saver for me.  Herbal valium.   




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Re: laying on side
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 09:37:25 PM »
Oil - there was an oil spill at the school building he was in.   He changed schools and the reflux is completely gone, and the surgical scope showed his esophagus is healed.





Wow, I'm so glad it healed. You are a fighter for your son. I have noticed before in your posts. You don't sit back and "let" anything happen to him. H5!
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 01:14:12 AM »
Make a doctor's appt, Frank.

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Re: laying on side
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 07:33:56 AM »
Green Tea is a life saver for me.  Herbal valium.

I just work myself into physical exhaustion, after which there's no more stress.

The most stress-free time I had in my life was when I took 20' lengths of steel pipe, 370 pounds each, and bent them to make posts for basketball backboards.  It was great, and I was relaxed.

But one ages.....
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Re: laying on side
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 07:01:37 PM »
Wow, I'm so glad it healed. You are a fighter for your son. I have noticed before in your posts. You don't sit back and "let" anything happen to him. H5!

Thanks BEG! :)

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 07:02:26 PM »
I just work myself into physical exhaustion, after which there's no more stress.

The most stress-free time I had in my life was when I took 20' lengths of steel pipe, 370 pounds each, and bent them to make posts for basketball backboards.  It was great, and I was relaxed.

But one ages.....

You ever try yoga?