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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2008, 09:19:03 PM »
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2008, 09:21:32 PM »
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2008, 09:36:55 PM »
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2008, 09:37:30 PM »
It's neither free nor subsidized health care, it is responsible.  It also takes away one of the libs main arguments ie: 1,111,111,111 uninsured so WE have to pay for it.

I'm sure that it has some faults but what's the difference with being required to have car insurance?? 

Bad, bad BAD analogy.  Owning and driving a car is an option and accepting the rules that go with it is what someone can choose.

EXISTING OTOH, is not usually a choice.

This is bad law and starts the slippery slope to Socialism/Communism


I don't think it is a bad analogy at all.  If you where living paycheck to paycheck today, and fell down some steps tomorrow resulting in a broken arm, but you had no insurance, who is going to pay the medical bills?

But that being said at least Romney did something - agree or disagree with the result he took action.  That is what leaders do, Hilary tried and failed (thank god).  How many others running today have made any type of difference AT ALL in their respective decades of public service? 

Your new analogy doesn't rehabilitate your first one.  If you want socialized medicine, it is available.  It is just slow and not very good.  Insurance is a good idea, but to have it forced on you because you exist is just bad policy and probably unconstitutional. 


That is a great point you make  :not:  But, who is going to pay the medical bills?

Your employer...partially subsidized by you with co-pays.


But if the employer does not offer coverage?

Even small business should provide healthcare for their workers.  The gov't needs to assist these businesses in some way, whether my direct tax write-offs or developing affordable group plans through cooperative efforts with the big companies offering the health coverage.  Something needs to be done to help even the small businesses get coverage for their employees.  Even small business unions would be better as they can negotiate with businesses to set up these group plans.

A majority of small business owners believe health care coverage can help attract and retain good employees.  Congress has to step up to the plate to help them out to ensure all people are covered.

As for the people who just want to sponge off the economy, then I suggest Giuliani's plan, Workfare as opposed to Welfare.



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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2008, 09:58:02 PM »
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2008, 10:16:40 PM »
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2008, 10:21:09 PM »
It's neither free nor subsidized health care, it is responsible.  It also takes away one of the libs main arguments ie: 1,111,111,111 uninsured so WE have to pay for it.

I'm sure that it has some faults but what's the difference with being required to have car insurance?? 

Bad, bad BAD analogy.  Owning and driving a car is an option and accepting the rules that go with it is what someone can choose.

EXISTING OTOH, is not usually a choice.

This is bad law and starts the slippery slope to Socialism/Communism


I don't think it is a bad analogy at all.  If you where living paycheck to paycheck today, and fell down some steps tomorrow resulting in a broken arm, but you had no insurance, who is going to pay the medical bills?

But that being said at least Romney did something - agree or disagree with the result he took action.  That is what leaders do, Hilary tried and failed (thank god).  How many others running today have made any type of difference AT ALL in their respective decades of public service? 

Your new analogy doesn't rehabilitate your first one.  If you want socialized medicine, it is available.  It is just slow and not very good.  Insurance is a good idea, but to have it forced on you because you exist is just bad policy and probably unconstitutional. 


That is a great point you make  :not:  But, who is going to pay the medical bills?

Your employer...partially subsidized by you with co-pays.


But if the employer does not offer coverage?

Even small business should provide healthcare for their workers.  The gov't needs to assist these businesses in some way, whether my direct tax write-offs or developing affordable group plans through cooperative efforts with the big companies offering the health coverage.  Something needs to be done to help even the small businesses get coverage for their employees.  Even small business unions would be better as they can negotiate with businesses to set up these group plans.

A majority of small business owners believe health care coverage can help attract and retain good employees.  Congress has to step up to the plate to help them out to ensure all people are covered.

As for the people who just want to sponge off the economy, then I suggest Giuliani's plan, Workfare as opposed to Welfare.



That's exactly what Romney's plan does.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2008, 12:43:48 AM »
Then where does this fine come into play if he's endorsing a plan that's paid by your employer? :confused:

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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2008, 12:53:16 AM »
Then where does this fine come into play if he's endorsing a plan that's paid by your employer? :confused:


I was saying that it is the government stepping to to make sure everyone is covered, from what I hear a lot of companies that didn't offer insurance before started to.  And those that can't afford it - small shops and resturants now their employees have to get it through the state managed system.  If they don't get they get the fine.  Again I'm not saying it is a perfect answer or even a good answer - but it is a try, it is action, it is for better or worse at least movement from the government to address a real concern. 

And the answer to my above question is the government pays the bill if you don't have insurance, or they force the hospital to eat the cost associated with the medical care (which then gets returned to the hospital by the governmnet as grants or stipends) so in the end Joe & Jane taxpayer foot the bill for the person who works construction w/o insurance.

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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2008, 09:40:58 PM »
I think it's pretty funny, actually. They can tax themselves to death, pretty literally. They now live in their own little socialistic utopia. Let them do this and serve an example to the rest of the DUmmies what a failure this will be.

Taxatwoshits is in for a taste of their own medicine  :rotf:


I was going to say the same thing.

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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2008, 10:33:18 PM »
This is Romney's plan?  :censored: He better not get the nomination.

Mitt Romney is a socialist. He is no better than the f*cking dems.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2008, 06:53:01 AM »
Mitt Romney is a socialist. He is no better than the f*cking dems.
We need to use that term sparingly and appropriately lest it become as worthless as the dreaded "neocon" label.

I might call Romney a susceptible to welfare-ism but I seriously doubt he has any intentions nationalizing the entire US economy. Alas welfare-ism facilitates efforts by real socialists. Still, if the Paulistinian uprising at CU taught us anything it is that we must govern our choice of words more closely.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2008, 09:32:03 AM »
What the ****?!?!

I'm sure Health Insurance doesn't even cost that much... :banghead:


You seriously don't think private health insurance costs $1,400 a year do you?????????????????

I don't know how much it costs.  I've been under military healthcare since the day I was born.  But the story said that fine was MONTHLY.  That could equal up to more then 15k a year.  I DO KNOW private health insurance doesn't cost that.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2008, 01:50:19 PM »
What the ****?!?!

I'm sure Health Insurance doesn't even cost that much... :banghead:


You seriously don't think private health insurance costs $1,400 a year do you?????????????????

I don't know how much it costs.  I've been under military healthcare since the day I was born.  But the story said that fine was MONTHLY.  That could equal up to more then 15k a year.  I DO KNOW private health insurance doesn't cost that.


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The highest fine of $76 a month -- or $912 a year -- will be levied against those over the age of 27 making more than three times the federal poverty level of $30,636 for an individual.

Married couples who are both uninsured will have to pay fines individually. A couple earning more than $41,076 would have to pay $1,824 in penalties for the year.


Maybe you just didn't read closely enough.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2008, 01:56:45 PM »
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When the new year begins Tuesday, most residents who remain uninsured will face monthly fines that could total as much as $912 for individuals and $1,824 for couples by the end of 2008

Thats what I was basing it off of.  It read to me like the monthly totals could get that high by the end of the year.  But your right, I went back and reread it.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
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When the new year begins Tuesday, most residents who remain uninsured will face monthly fines that could total as much as $912 for individuals and $1,824 for couples by the end of 2008

Thats what I was basing it off of.  It read to me like the monthly totals could get that high by the end of the year.  But your right, I went back and reread it.


For comparrison through my employer I pay $580 A MONTH for health insurance for healthy me and my healthy family.
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Re: Mass. residents face monthly fines for going without health insurance
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2008, 08:56:27 PM »
Mitt Romney is a socialist. He is no better than the f*cking dems.
We need to use that term sparingly and appropriately lest it become as worthless as the dreaded "neocon" label.

I might call Romney a susceptible to welfare-ism but I seriously doubt he has any intentions nationalizing the entire US economy. Alas welfare-ism facilitates efforts by real socialists. Still, if the Paulistinian uprising at CU taught us anything it is that we must govern our choice of words more closely.

Well I did not mean to sound like gator. Whatever the case, He is a gun-grabbing, flip-flopping RINO and Romneycare and Hillarycare are two sides of the same coin.
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