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A JUDGE has allowed a 12-year-old Victorian girl to start a taxpayer-funded sex swap, despite objections from the child's father.The girl has begun court-approved hormone treatment in the first step toward a complete gender switch. The Family Court orders also permit the girl, who cannot be named, to apply for a new birth certificate, passport and Medicare card in a boy's name. The application to allow the hormone treatment was lodged by the girl's mother. A state government observer, an endocrinologist, a psychiatrist, a family counsellor and a lawyer acting on the child's behalf all supported the plan. Only her father, who lives interstate, opposed the proposed sex change, though he did not attend the final court hearing and could not afford to send a lawyer on his behalf. The court was told he could not accept that his daughter had always seen herself as a boy and considered her too young to make such a decision. The mother expressed sadness and deep concern for her daughter, but said she would stand by the girl. The child's lawyer told the court she considered the girl capable of making an informed decision.The girl is one of the youngest patients in Australia granted permission to begin a sex swap. The court was told early intervention was needed because the child was stressed and anxious at the prospect of starting her period and had threatened self-harm. Hormones implanted under her skin every three months will stop her menstruating and prevent her hips and breasts growing. The court heard the hormone therapy was reversible and would give the family "breathing time". ... more ...
good heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?
Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:07:24 PMgood heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?You can't. This decision is an atrocity.
Quote from: freedumb2003 on May 24, 2008, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:07:24 PMgood heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?You can't. This decision is an atrocity. . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections. good heavens, it doesn't get any moretragic than that.did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way? or was that someone else?
This is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.
Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: freedumb2003 on May 24, 2008, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:07:24 PMgood heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?You can't. This decision is an atrocity. . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections. good heavens, it doesn't get any moretragic than that.did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way? or was that someone else?That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week.
Quote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.
Quote from: bijou on May 24, 2008, 05:27:47 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.you have to wonder if mommy has issues, too.
Quote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on.
Quote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. ouch. I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors? I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners. so to speak.
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Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:31:08 PMQuote from: bijou on May 24, 2008, 05:27:47 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Perhaps if the mother had taken some time to talk to and support her daughter through the pre-puberty/puberty process this nonsense could have been avoided.you have to wonder if mommy has issues, too.You think? Actually, there are rare cases where gender is somewhat arbitrary. I suppose if this is one such case (no I haven't read the article), I would support it. Sometimes it's easy to judge, not so easy to live it.
Quote from: freedumb2003 on May 24, 2008, 05:24:29 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: freedumb2003 on May 24, 2008, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:07:24 PMgood heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?You can't. This decision is an atrocity. . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections. good heavens, it doesn't get any moretragic than that.did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way? or was that someone else?That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week. :)ah. that answers that. I was wondering where that jamaican traffic was coming from. thanks.
Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: freedumb2003 on May 24, 2008, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:07:24 PMgood heavens. when I was 12, my biggest problem was trying to hit a curveball. how in the hell can you make that kind of decision when you are 12?You can't. This decision is an atrocity. . . . and her mother is involved, but doing this over her father's objections. good heavens, it doesn't get any moretragic than that.did you say you were in mexico this week, by the way? or was that someone else?That was me -- Jamaica week before last, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta) last week. :)
Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. ouch. I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors? I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners. so to speak.Especially a dead dork... on ice.
Quote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:36:40 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. ouch. I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors? I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners. so to speak.Especially a dead dork... on ice. you're bad. I was thinking about men-to-women-transformers being donors. "dork recycling", so to speak. I hadn't even considered dead dork donors.
Quote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:41:27 PMQuote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:36:40 PMQuote from: Wretched Excess on May 24, 2008, 05:35:45 PMQuote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. ouch. I wonder how long it will be before there are dork donors? I would think there wold be a 50-50 split between cutter-offers and sewers-onners. so to speak.Especially a dead dork... on ice. you're bad. I was thinking about men-to-women-transformers being donors. "dork recycling", so to speak. I hadn't even considered dead dork donors. Oh, you were talking about wholesale dork trade.
Quote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. Doppelganger
Quote from: jtyangel on May 24, 2008, 08:16:05 PMQuote from: Schadenfreude on May 24, 2008, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: Tess Anderson on May 24, 2008, 04:24:36 PMThis is what socialized medicine will get you? I'll pass.A twelve-year-old has no business even knowing what a "sex-change" is. This will never, ever make her a man, just some uber-dyke. Her mother should be shot for agreeing to this.Yes..... just pondering the process from female to male. I think it may be easier to cut one off than to sew one on. Doppelganger I totally forgot about that.....