poll: can decent and civilized people ever get along with the primitives?

[franksolich]

You know, I've been fretting and stewing about something the past couple of weeks.

After the big guy's mother died, I got a personal message from a bona fide primitive, saying that in case it wasn't a coincidence, he wanted to thank me for pulling (temporarily) Big Dog's wonderful story.

I didn't save my response to him, but it was along the lines of "no, it wasn't a coincidence."

And maybe some other stuff too, but I forget.

Soon thereafter I heard from him again (this is snip from his message, not the whole message):

.....I never said you were all bad. We disagree on politics. I disagree with plenty of people on politics. I disagree with people on DU with many things. That doesn't mean I don't get along with them.

I know you've (the collective "you've") said prayers and sent wishes to DUers who have befallen misfortune. I pay attention.....

As long-timers here might recall, during the first few years of conservativecave, franksolich assiduously tried getting along with certain primitives, flattering them, courting them, wooing them, smooching them.

One example--although there's probably been four or five dozen--was that of the defrocked warped primitive, who's meaner and uglier than a snake.  The archives from the early years of conservativecave are packed with instances of franksolich buttering up the defrocked warped primitive, saying nothing but the nicest of things about her.

It availed me nothing.  The more I lathered the defrocked warped primitive, the more I cuddled and kissed her, the more hate-filled she got towards decent and civilized people.

So I finally gave up on the defrocked warped primitive.

Is it possible for decent and civilized people to get along with the primitives?

I used to think "yeah, sure, they're human, too."

I no longer think that--that it's possible to get along with the primitives.....and that the primitives are human too.

This sharp divisiveness goes way back to November 1980.

Before then, people got along with each other no matter their politics; politics was but a minuscule characteristic of their association.  Everybody found a whole lot of other reasons to like everybody else.  One's politics didn't make any more difference than if one had blue eyes or brown eyes, or collected stamps or collected doilies.

"I'm voting for Ford."  "Well, I'm voting for Carter."  (This from 1976, the election preceding.)

After which one went on to more important topics, such as whether or not cherry pie was better than apple pie.

But that changed, as I said, in November 1980.

I remember it well.

There was so much rage and anger and Hate expressed by the losing side that they didn't want to have anything to do with those on the winning side, no matter how good of friends they'd been before, no matter that they had vast areas of mutual interests and tastes.  If one had voted for Reagan, those who'd voted for Carter treated one as if a leper.

I finally gave up, circa 1988 or something, trying to get along with Democrats, liberals, and primitives.

This, despite that franksolich is a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet; eminently approachable, always tolerant and indulgent, freely acceptive of all coming his way.

I used to think decent and civilized people can get along with primitives.

I no longer think that, and think now of the wisdom of Lord Baring, governor-general of British East Africa during the 1920s; "the primitives need to feel the lash, and harshly so.

"The lash might turn a tiny number of them into decent and civilized people, and the lash might turn somewhat more half-civilized.  But as for the other 99% of them, the primitives need to feel the lash simply because they're ugly coarse brutish primitives."

[ReaganForRushmore]

Primitives lie.

[BlueStateSaint]

Maybe . . . but is it worth trying?

[Vagabond]

In civilized society one out of every five people is a savage.  They may not even know they are a savage.  Civilized society provides rules for them to follow and jails if they don't.  As long as order holds and the police show up when called, the savages are held in check.  Take away that veneer of authority and the savages come out.  

The ones who have lack either the skill or the inclination and maybe both to create what civilized society can create and maintain, those are the savages.  They will murder, rape, destroy, and loot when they realize the cops aren't going to stop them anytime soon, or that they are in sufficient numbers to enforce their will, law enforcement be damned.

A goodly number of the primitives are savages who fear what the man may do to them if they get out of line.  How many of them have created a successful business?  How many of them make daily post demanding that the ever ephemeris "rich" have their wealth confiscated so it can be given to them?  If they were in sufficient number they would not bother with the law.  They would attack the wealthy neighborhoods and do what all savages do.

So, sadly, no there is no getting along with them.  Uneasy coexistence is all that can be maintained.  Even then, only when and where the civilized have superior firepower.

[franksolich]

Maybe . . . but is it worth trying?

Well, if nothing else can be said about franksolich, it can be said he tried, and tried very hard.

[Carl]

True primitives...no.

They are filled with such utter ignornance,cloaked in rage and hatred that there is no use trying to politically be considerate.
Keep politics out and maybe but since it engulfs their lives that is hard to do.

Look at the thread about Fl and registering to vote,few of them can manage to get by on their own in any way,it is no wonder they are frustrated and obsessed with having a government literally be a parent to them.

That person is a pariah and soul sucker so best to let them keep inside their miserable world of failure.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

A conservative is someone who if asked to choose between a man and a tree will first ask to meet the man and see the tree.  --Unknown

[hillneck]

Not a real to the bone primitive.  First thing it would expend so much of your energy just attempting to get through the wall of utter stupidity DUmmies have.

[ChuckJ]

A decent and civilized person trying to get along with a primitive is kind of similar to a decent and civilized person trying to get along with a rattlesnake. In both cases the only one making a real effort to get along would be the decent and civilized person. Also in both cases as soon as the decent and civilized person let's his or her guard down the chances are very good that he or she would get bitten.

The only real way to successfully get along with a living rattlesnake is to lock it in some sort of enclosure.

[franksolich]

A decent and civilized person trying to get along with a primitive is kind of similar to a decent and civilized person trying to get along with a rattlesnake. In both cases the only one making a real effort to get along would be the decent and civilized person. Also in both cases as soon as the decent and civilized person let's his or her guard down the chances are very good that he or she would get bitten.

The only real way to successfully get along with a living rattlesnake is to lock it in some sort of enclosure.

Yeah, just as what happened with AllentownJake.

No matter how nice they seem, one just can't trust them.

[miskie]

Typical Democrats - alright. Most of them really don't care about politics, but always vote for the Democrat, because that is what their parents, grandparents, etc. etc. did. the topic of politics almost never comes up, and when it does its about how crappy the economy is.

I'm down with that.

True primitives, who's political ideology colors their entire lives, and are entirely unwilling to listen to reason ? No way.

I can only assume its possible to be friends with them, as Matalin & Carville's marriage seems to prove - but the odds of finding enough of a relationship with a primitive that politics need not enter into it is unlikely at best. Not worth the energy to find out.

[DefiantSix]

My vote is "No"; not because decent and civilized people cannot get along with primitives.  I personally believe that decent, civilized people can get along with most anybody, at least for the short durations in which they might have to interact with them.

Now having said that, I have learned through sad experience that DUmmies can rarely control themselves long enough to get along even for the briefest of encounters with normal, non-primitive civilized human beings.  Whether by genetics, drug abuse, or other environmental factors, the DUmmies simply do not have the tools necessary to interact with normals without rapidly devolving into their usual sputtering, foaming, ranting selves.

[Duke Nukum]

Well, whether they want to admit it or not, they are all individuals and I am sure I could get along well with some and not at all with others.

[Mr Mannn]

My vote is "No"; not because decent and civilized people cannot get along with primitives.  I personally believe that decent, civilized people can get along with most anybody, at least for the short durations in which they might have to interact with them.

Now having said that, I have learned through sad experience that DUmmies can rarely control themselves long enough to get along even for the briefest of encounters with normal, non-primitive civilized human beings.  Whether by genetics, drug abuse, or other environmental factors, the DUmmies simply do not have the tools necessary to interact with normals without rapidly devolving into their usual sputtering, foaming, ranting selves.

Well said. Hi5. I voted no as well.

To a primitive, Govt is their god. they worship total govt control. anyone who can threaten that control is evil, and must be purged. Republicans have become the devil for DUmmies. We have proven that we can beat them in elections and in the courts...that is something primitives simply cannot tolerate.

Every day we see the DUmmies repeating the same lies, demonizing the right, criminalizing the opposition. Invoking Goodwin, I haven't seen anything like this since the Nazi party demonized the Jews.
The 2nd amendment is the only thing holding back an Ayers inspired bloody purge.

May you live in interesting times.

[Big Dog]

No.

[franksolich]

No.

I'm still however holding out hope for the big guy; that some day soon the big guy and franksolich can sit on his front porch, waxing nostalgic about www.electstevedawes.com, enjoying some good laughs and guffaws, while Marta's in the kitchen baking a cherry pie for me.

One can hope.

[Jasonw560]

I can tolerate them. I'm full of tolerance.

I can even co-exist with them.

I can't get along with vile, hateful, ignorant people, though.

[obumazombie]

Libs, aka primitives must be subdued, and never entrusted with friendship. Friendship to a lib is a bargaining chip.

[GOBUCKS]

No. I celebrate anything that causes a DUmp democrat to suffer.

[Tucker]

No.

I have no desire too. They're a cancer that destroys everything they come in contact with.

[franksolich]

No. I celebrate anything that causes a DUmp democrat to suffer.

Right.

It's best to use one's concern on the hundreds of millions suffering under totalitarian socialist repression, the hundreds of millions going without adequate food, medical care, and education, the hundreds of millions whose worldly possessions wouldn't fill a gym bag, the hundreds of millions living daily in terror of homicide and genocide, the hundreds of millions lacking opportunities to build themselves a better life, &c., &c., &c.

The primitives are definitely NOT part of those statistics.

**** the primitives.

[98ZJUSMC]

This sharp divisiveness goes way back to November 1980.

Before then, people got along with each other no matter their politics; politics was but a minuscule characteristic of their association.  Everybody found a whole lot of other reasons to like everybody else.  One's politics didn't make any more difference than if one had blue eyes or brown eyes, or collected stamps or collected doilies.

"I'm voting for Ford."  "Well, I'm voting for Carter."  (This from 1976, the election preceding.)

After which one went on to more important topics, such as whether or not cherry pie was better than apple pie.

But that changed, as I said, in November 1980.

I remember it well.

There was so much rage and anger and Hate expressed by the losing side that they didn't want to have anything to do with those on the winning side, no matter how good of friends they'd been before, no matter that they had vast areas of mutual interests and tastes.  If one had voted for Reagan, those who'd voted for Carter treated one as if a leper.

That's the way I remember it.  I also remember that crone Raaas-lyn making some clueless remark about how she couldn't believe the American people couldn't re-elect such an intellectual giant like Mr. Peanut.  The inference, very poorly concealed, was that we were all stupid.  Hell, she may have even used those words.

Up to that point in time, I was pretty ambivalent about Democrats and painfully naive about the Left.  That remark probably set me on my course of intense hatred of the Left.  Whenever I encounter a Liberal, I just give them the "implied facepalm" stare, followed by the unmistakably obvious "you're an idiot" eyeroll and the barely audible chuckle.  Arguing with them, is pointless in the extreme.

Usually ruins a good drinking session.  I voted "No".

Quote from: GOBUCKS on August 17, 2012, 07:15:50 pm
No. I celebrate anything that causes a DUmp democrat to suffer.

I never really used to.  I just laughed at them.  That stopped around 2002.  

Now, I dig for the fireworks.

It's best to use one's concern on the hundreds of millions suffering under totalitarian socialist repression, the hundreds of millions going without adequate food, medical care, and education, the hundreds of millions whose worldly possessions wouldn't fill a gym bag, the hundreds of millions living daily in terror of homicide and genocide, the hundreds of millions lacking opportunities to build themselves a better life, &c., &c., &c.

The dichotomy between the wealth generation and the relief of misery of the evolved free market system and the downward spiral of parasite Socialism never dawns on these people.  It really is a mental disorder.

Yeah.  Put them out of our misery.

[obumazombie]

The only sure way to treat cancer is to cut it out, one way or the other.

[98ZJUSMC]

The only sure way to treat cancer is to cut it out, one way or the other.

Yep, but until we remove from the educational system, it will always grow back.

I have my doubts that it can be done. 

[Freeper]

No, the primitives are the most disgusting creatures I have ever seen. They mock people who have good hearts and live their lives in decent ways, and praise people who are nothing but a drain to the hardworking people of this country. They celebrate abortion, they call for the censorship of any idea that they don't agree with, they lie and smear good people, and they refuse to do anything to better their lives they simply demand that they be given more and more free stuff.
I have no use for people this disgusting and this damn lazy.