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my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« on: August 16, 2012, 06:36:47 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021145046

Oh my.

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NNN0LHI (66,637 posts)

Think I finally figured out where the anti-government mindset comes from
When someone runs out of other people or entities to blame their problems on and all that is left to blame is themselves for some very bad decisions they made in the past and they won't do that.

So at that point all those problems have to become the governments fault. Because blaming themselves is a very difficult thing to do. So difficult it becomes virtually impossible.

So at that point the only thing left to blame is the government for all their problems.

I have watched this happening over and over again all around me for a while.

I just never realized what was causing it until recently.

That's it isn't it?

Don

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dawg (4,018 posts)

1. Greed and racism.

Those two things are the source of 99% of the anti-government sentiment in this country.

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RKP5637 (20,671 posts)

3. I might add bigotry to that too. Greed, racism and bigotry.

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MadHound (31,758 posts)

2. I don't know about that,

Being a pacifist, living through Watergate, watching government forces smashing in the heads of innocent protesters, watching as the government takes away our civil liberties piece by piece, watching as government is being sold to the highest bidder, for these reasons and many more like them, I can understand anti-government sentiment. Frankly I'm a bit "anti-government" myself. Not in the traditional conservative sense, but more along the lines of "love my country, fear my government".

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n2doc (22,527 posts)

5. It comes from 30+ years of Reagan inspired lies

Spewed from every channel of hate radio, late night show, TV twit and pol running for office.

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NNN0LHI (66,637 posts)

8. It isn't just the right wing who has figured this out and use it either

We have Nader and others who play the same tune to the Democratic base using the very same tactics.

Why?

Because it works almost every time.

Simple as that.

I have some left leaning relatives who are beginning to sound more like LaRouchies with every passing day.

Now I know why.

Don

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AndyTiedye (22,125 posts)

7. Those Same People Love the Government Just Fine…

…when it is in somebody else's bedroom, or every woman's womb.

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badtoworse (2,607 posts)

9. On a personal level, I'm doing fine and I don't blame or credit the government for that.

As a country, we are in deep shit and I very much blame the government for that.

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TBF (17,279 posts)

10. "The government" is people we vote for - who specifically are you blaming?

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TBF (17,279 posts)

11. They praise God for the good - and blame the government for the bad.

For a bunch of folks who love to talk about "personal responsibility" it is the height of hypocrisy.

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12. Sometimes it comes from the pulpit

I met a guy down here who I would never have thought would have RW anti-big government attitudes based on his past and current life circumstances. He's long-unemployed and lives with a woman who is on social security disability. I've garnered from our conversations he doesn't regularly watch faux or any tv news and is unfamiliar with hate radio. They are in a bad enough financial situation that he needs to hit a couple of church-run food banks every month. And he attends Sunday services and bible studies at both a Southern Baptist and an independent fundamentalist church. Anyhow his partner said something about being grateful for her ssdi and he went off in a rant about big government that included enough old testament nonsense to leave no doubt where he's gotten his ideas.

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NNN0LHI (66,637 posts)

15. People in the pulpit can't tell people to blame themselves for their problems

If they did try doing that no one would come there and give their money to them any more.

So what you say makes perfect sense.

Don

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13. "WE" Americans are the government. We elect the Governement. Hatred of the Government is hatred of democracy and hatred of Americans. I've told my republican relatives this before and they just sit there *blink* *blink* empty stare.

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CJCRANE (12,173 posts)

16. That's a good way of looking at it.

It's so obvious but so overlooked.

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KT2000 (8,968 posts)

14. privatization and regulations

Since Reagan, the effort has been to replace government employees with lower paid workers and high paid CEOs. Defense contractors have stepped up and are now doing what was once a government job with benefits.

I was shocked to learn that defense contractors now handling the personnel records for federal employees.

That has been so much easier to d when government is cast as something evil and private enterprise and something holy.
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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 07:40:32 PM »
Yes ladies and gentlemen of the jury . They can be that damn stupid?. How can anyone be racist against the Government ? Seriously people November is going to make history when the meltdown comes.
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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 08:10:04 PM »
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NNN0LHI (66,637 posts)

Think I finally figured out where the anti-government mindset comes from
When someone runs out of other people or entities to blame their problems on and all that is left to blame is themselves for some very bad decisions they made in the past and they won't do that.

So at that point all those problems have to become the governments fault. Because blaming themselves is a very difficult thing to do. So difficult it becomes virtually impossible.

So at that point the only thing left to blame is the government for all their problems.

I have watched this happening over and over again all around me for a while.

I just never realized what was causing it until recently.

That's it isn't it?

Don

Despite the fact Don you know that what you say is a load of horse shit it is still beyond the definition of stupid.

You insipid crybabies never ever admit your choices in life are the reason you are losers and expect a government to step in and make it all good despite that.

If you are not a mole then you are an idiot beyond imagination.

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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 08:13:17 PM »
It kind of irks me that they accuse us of being anti government, we aren't anti government we are just for limited government and not everything under the sun is the responsibility of the government. The government has it's role that is dictated by the Constitution every thing else is left up to the people. They simply have no understanding of what we believe in so they say we are anti government. If I don't use a screwdriver to drive a nail, and instead go grab a hammer does that make me anti screwdriver?

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 08:21:14 PM »
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Think I finally figured out where our anti-personal responsibility mindset comes from
When we run out of other people or entities to blame our problems on and all that is left to blame is ourselves for some very bad decisions we made in the past and we won't do that.

So at that point all those problems have to become the Bush's fault. Because blaming ourselves is a very difficult thing to do. So difficult it becomes virtually impossible.

So at that point the only thing left to blame is Bush for all our problems.
FIFY Don.
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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 08:51:54 PM »
It kind of irks me that they accuse us of being anti government, we aren't anti government we are just for limited government and not everything under the sun is the responsibility of the government. The government has it's role that is dictated by the Constitution every thing else is left up to the people. They simply have no understanding of what we believe in so they say we are anti government. If I don't use a screwdriver to drive a nail, and instead go grab a hammer does that make me anti screwdriver?

Decent and civilized people know that, but it'll never penetrate the thick hollow skulls of the lesser-developed primitives.
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Re: my pal grouchy old Don finally figured it out
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 08:52:29 PM »
FIFY Don.

Now, THAT is damned good!

Awesome.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."