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Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« on: July 24, 2012, 10:14:34 PM »
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Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US...

there were 9,400+ being that Germany has 82,500,000 and the US has about 340,000,000 shouldn't we be at about 776 gun murders for the past year...what could be making the difference?
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1. many sociological issues make the difference.

The US and Germany are two different "beings".

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Shhhhhh. You know you can't talk about sociological or cultural differences here. That's racist.

Small fire, but that last post brings an important point up.  I'm sure the DUmmies do not want to go there.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM »
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 11:52:01 PM »
They see a difference, here, but, not on single payer? morons
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 01:06:10 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....

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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 01:27:00 AM »
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 01:31:41 AM »
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You need to fix your pic inserts. They are messed up. What pic in Armchiargeneral.com are you trying to post?

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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 02:27:37 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....

I have got to find that website.  So far I've only seen Ar-15s with 30-round magazines...no "clips" of any capacity...and even if I make arrangements on-line I still have to go to a physical, FFL-holding dealer, go through the "instant" background check and fill out a 4473.

Please share this superspecial website with me?  And tell me more about these 100-round "clips".  Thanks.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 04:22:38 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....


How about the FACT you have to go thru a FFL licensed DEALER to pick up said items, even if you order online, and a .223 has a hard time going thru a car windshield, much less thru a couple of bodies.  Yes, you can buy ammo in 1,000 round cases online, so what? 

A "100 round clip" is NOT a clip, it's a DRUM.  Tell me, what difference would having a "100 round clip", or 4-25 round clips, or 10-10 round clips make anyway.  They all hold 100 rounds. 

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Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason


And yet, Germany STILL has gun crimes.  How does that happen?

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Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....

Few FACTS here, cupcake.
1)  Gun companies operate under the laws of the FED GOV, not the NRA.  The NRA lobbies for US, and the Second Amendment, not the "gun companies".  Gun companies only make and sell whatever is LEGAL!

2)  All the gun laws in the world WILL NOT keep guns out of the hands of "peoples hands illegalle" (your quote), for the simple fact you liberals can't seem to wrap your tiny, little brains around:  Gun laws do not effect criminals, only the law abiding.  IF CRIMINALS OBEYED LAWS, THEY WOULDN'T BE CRIMINALS, WOULD THEY!

3)  All of these so called "massacres" took place in "gun free zones".  The places in the US with the HIGHEST gun crime rates have the STRICTEST gun control laws, and are located in 'blue state hellholes", including Barry's hometown of Chicago. (279 deaths by guns there so far this year.)  Here where I live, 0.  Why?  Because a lot of us can, and will SHOOT BACK, and the criminals KNOW IT!
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 06:15:21 AM »
I have been looking for years for a 100 round clip for my AR machine gun. Anyone know where I can find such an animal?
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 06:22:07 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....

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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 07:01:22 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....


Apparently you've never tried to purchased a firearm.  Depending where you live and the type of firearm, you ALWAYS have to fill out ATF paperwork.  That information gets called in for approval.  Also 6000 rounds of 5.56/223 may be a fair amount of ammo for a casual shooter, but not for a target/competitive shooter.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 07:17:27 AM »
Germans are a better shot maybe?
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 08:32:19 AM »
I read an article in the Chicago rags a couple of weeks ago, that broke down the race of victims this year.  Out of the 230 or so victims of gun crime 11 were white.  Now somewhere around 40% of the city is white.  Make of that what you will.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 08:41:45 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....

Dumb****--they're not "clips."  They're "magazines."

Do try and keep the terminology straight, won't you?  Oh, and drum magazines are seriously notorious for jamming if you bump or dent them.  Most of the deaths/injuries were caused when he was using the shotguns.  12-gauge 00-buck has that effect in crowded rooms at point-blank range, dontcha know.

Finally, we've had the whole "which would you rather be shot by" argument.

Nobody obtained these weapons illegally, unless he lied on the form/background check about being declared mentally incompetent, institutionalized, or a convicted felon.  In fact, he looks like all the training he got was from playing HALO on his ****ing X-Box.

Now go fetch your ****ing shine box.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 08:44:08 AM »
Quote from: hillneck on July 25, 2012, 07:01:22 AM

Apparently you've never tried to purchased a firearm.  Depending where you live and the type of firearm, you ALWAYS have to fill out ATF paperwork.  That information gets called in for approval.  Also 6000 rounds of 5.56/223 may be a fair amount of ammo for a casual shooter, but not for a target/competitive shooter.

If you've got the money, 500-1000 rounds in a fun weekend isn't entirely unheard of, either.  I've never gone through less than 100 rounds when I practice with the pistol.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 09:06:28 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15 and a 100 round clip for it along with 6,000 rounds of .223 ammo capable of going through someones body out the other side and into someone else body....Oh and the fact that in Germany you CANT do that....That might be a small reason. Or perhaps its the fact that the gun companies (protected by NRA lobbying) is just fine seeing its products end up in peoples hands illegalle and we do essentially nothing to stop this....


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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 09:31:43 AM »
Quote from: TexMex on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Well maybe part of the reason is that in the USA you can go online and buy an AR-15

Really?  Try that sometime, get back to us when it gets delivered.  In the real world you can find one on-line, but it still has to go through a gun dealer who physically turns it over to you, has you fill out the required disclosure forms under penalty of perjury, and he or she still has to run you through the FBI check before they can deliver the gun to you.

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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 09:35:07 AM »
Quote from: AprilRazz on July 25, 2012, 06:15:21 AM
I have been looking for years for a 100 round clip for my AR machine gun. Anyone know where I can find such an animal?

Apparently you can go to your local gun show any week and buy them, probably right next to the guy with the antitank rockets and the cop-seeking bullets.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 03:41:29 PM »
TexMex. If your going to come online and talk smack about the who ,what ,when and where of buying guns and gun ownership you can at least give people the respect and honesty of doing a simple Google search about gun laws and not **** it up like a typical liberal and lie or repost lies about the subject. Otherwise do us and the world a huge favor and go outside and play a nice game of hide and go **** yourself.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2012, 03:58:36 PM »
When you look at the data of where most gun violence is there is only one inescapable conclusion, democrats. Everywhere there is huge gun violence is in democrat party bastions.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2012, 04:07:20 PM »
Quote from: jukin on July 25, 2012, 03:58:36 PM
When you look at the data of where most gun violence is there is only one inescapable conclusion, democrats. Everywhere there is huge gun violence is in democrat party bastions.

Yep. Either give democrat voters their free stuff or they will take it.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2012, 04:35:10 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on July 25, 2012, 03:41:29 PM
TexMex. If your going to come online and talk smack about the who ,what ,when and where of buying guns and gun ownership you can at least give people the respect and honesty of doing a simple Google search about gun laws and not **** it up like a typical liberal and lie or repost lies about the subject. Otherwise do us and the world a huge favor and go outside and play a nice game of hide and go **** yourself.
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2012, 05:00:35 PM »
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1. many sociological issues make the difference.

The US and Germany are two different "beings".


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Shhhhhh. You know you can't talk about sociological or cultural differences here. That's racist.


Small fire, but that last post brings an important point up.  I'm sure the DUmmies do not want to go there.

My friend went to Oktoberfest in Munich a couple years ago and spent some time in the big beer tents. He was amazed at how civil everyone was while getting blitzed on beer for hours. Teenagers and 70 year olds drinking and singing together. Not one fight or even argument broke out. Never happen in the US.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2012, 05:31:43 PM »
After reading the post by TexMex I think we should find a way to install a full Auto Bitch Slap button for trolls.
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Re: Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2012, 05:50:10 PM »
Guns don't kill people. Dutch kills people.
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