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Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:55:52 AM »
I hate having to point out what should be obvious.

The obvious that I am speaking of is this .. a very important part of what took place today is being overlooked!

Whether or not this whole ObamaCare mess is repealed .. the ruling by the SC has set in stone the precedent that the government CAN TAX anything and everything that it chooses!

The original Tea Party rebelled over taxation without representation but today's SC would have 'ruled' against them and in a way .. they just did!

The power to tax without limitations was JUST handed to the government!

THAT is now set in stone and thus .. America as a Representative Republic has drawn it's final breath!

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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 12:06:39 PM »
How is that different from what it was yesterday? We need to make sure we have representatives who will show restraint. Elections matter. It shows us how important it is that we elect the right people to the government.

Who was it that said we're always only a generation away from losing our liberty?
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 12:17:39 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
How is that different from what it was yesterday? We need to make sure we have representatives who will show restraint. Elections matter. It shows us how important it is that we elect the right people to the government.

Who was it that said we're always only a generation away from losing our liberty?
You know any Representatives that show restraint?

You still under the impression that we actually have a two party system?

Which tax has ever been 'permanently' repealed by a restrained representative?

Look no further than Social Security as an example of Restraint by your representatives!

How about Bushes prescription drug boondoggle?

Would someone turn out the lights on their way out please!?
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 12:27:26 PM »
Quote from: mrclose on June 28, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
You know any Representatives that show restraint?

You still under the impression that we actually have a two party system?

Which tax has ever been 'permanently' repealed by a restrained representative?

Look no further than Social Security as an example of Restraint by your representatives!

How about Bushes prescription drug boondoggle?

Would someone turn out the lights on their way out please!?

Where you going? If you know of a better place, please let us know where it is. We might want to follow along.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 12:45:38 PM »
Quote from: mrclose on June 28, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
Would someone turn out the lights on their way out please!?

If you were talking to your daughter on a phone and she was trapped in a house with serial rapist and killer at what point would you tell her to stop fighting?
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 01:06:53 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on June 28, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
Where you going? If you know of a better place, please let us know where it is. We might want to follow along.
Belize is looking pretty good right now!
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 28, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
If you were talking to your daughter on a phone and she was trapped in a house with serial rapist and killer at what point would you tell her to stop fighting?

As far as analogies go, that is the best one I have ever read.   
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 02:21:27 PM »
Hmmm...  Time to dust off the Declaration and get the party started.

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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 02:22:25 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 28, 2012, 01:33:43 PM
As far as analogies go, that is the best one I have ever read.   

Thank-you.

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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 02:45:07 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 28, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
If you were talking to your daughter on a phone and she was trapped in a house with serial rapist and killer at what point would you tell her to stop fighting?

Very true.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 03:22:14 PM »
No, we don't have taxation without representation.

Our representatives, enough of them at least, voted for this giant tax boondoggle.

They simply need to be voted out and replaced with patriots who don't tax people to death or take over private industry.

Does America have the spine to elect enough good people to serve in the Congress?  I don't know.  This stupid country voted Obama in.

There are good people, good candidates, good chances out there, but I don't know if there are ENOUGH of them to make the necessary difference.

Myself I'll keep voting and volunteering and praying.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 04:30:18 PM »
Quote from: Porfiry on June 28, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
No, we don't have taxation without representation.

Our representatives, enough of them at least, voted for this giant tax boondoggle.

They simply need to be voted out and replaced with patriots who don't tax people to death or take over private industry.

Does America have the spine to elect enough good people to serve in the Congress?  I don't know.  This stupid country voted Obama in.

There are good people, good candidates, good chances out there, but I don't know if there are ENOUGH of them to make the necessary difference.

Myself I'll keep voting and volunteering and praying.
The problem with this course of action (electing good candidates) is that it is nearly impossible to identify who they are!
(I've had my fill of RINOS)

Promises, promises .. that is what we always pin our hopes on!

The two party system has become a joke .. on us!

Let me ask .. How's that voting for the (good candidates) worked out for all of us over the years?

Name .. Just One of the bass-turds that when elected was not concerned 'only' about re-election .. pandering to the freeloaders and keeping their grip on the power and privileges of office!?

We weren't represented in this Massive tax hike (Obamacare)!

This POS was 'crammed' down the throats of the Majority of We The People by the Communist Liberals and by a Dictator who threatened and bribed it into being!

  
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 04:37:22 PM »
I think roberts was talking to us.  He protected the Commerce Clause, he prevented the executive branch withholding medicade funds to states and finally told us you elected these assholes & they gave you this 2600 page piece of crap.  Fix it.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 04:39:12 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on June 28, 2012, 04:37:22 PM
I think roberts was talking to us.  He protected the Commerce Clause, he prevented the executive branch withholding medicade funds to states and finally told us you elected these assholes & they gave you this 2600 page piece of crap.  Fix it.

Even some libs have noticed their beloved Commerce Clause distortions are threatened.

Maybe bunnies are too Polly-Annish but I see more opportunities than threats here.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 04:53:18 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 28, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
Even some libs have noticed their beloved Commerce Clause distortions are threatened.

Maybe bunnies are too Polly-Annish but I see more opportunities than threats here.

I'm no bunny, but I think Roberts just gift-wrapped us a Republican in the White House and a Republican-majority House and Senate. Taxes can be repealed. The Commerce Clause can't.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 04:59:00 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
I'm no bunny, but I think Roberts just gift-wrapped us a Republican in the White House and a Republican-majority House and Senate. Taxes can be repealed. The Commerce Clause can't.

Sure it can.  All it will take is a Constitutional Amendment.

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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 04:59:38 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on June 28, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
Sure it can.  All it will take is a Constitutional Amendment.

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Touche... :-)
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2012, 05:03:48 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
I'm no bunny, but I think Roberts just gift-wrapped us a Republican in the White House and a Republican-majority House and Senate. Taxes can be repealed. The Commerce Clause can't.
That 'might' be true IF we didn't have our own version of Pravda!

This is going to be spun by the MSM as a great thing that Obama has given to the people!

It will also be spun as .. "If Romney and the Repubs are elected, they will take your health care away from you!"

The freeloaders and outright IDIOTS (which are in the majority) are too D@MN stupid (or don't care) to know what has just taken place!

After all .. "IT'S FREE"!! W-H-E-E-E-E-E
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 05:06:38 PM »
Quote from: mrclose on June 28, 2012, 05:03:48 PM
That 'might' be true IF we didn't have our own version of Pravda!

This is going to be spun by the MSM as a great thing that Obama has given to the people!

It will also be spun as .. "If Romney and the Repubs are elected, they will take your health care away from you!"

The freeloaders and outright IDIOTS (which are in the majority) are too D@MN stupid (or don't care) to know what has just taken place!

After all .. "IT'S FREE"!! W-H-E-E-E-E-E

It's true. I might be unrealistic. What did Obamacare do for the Repubs in 2010? A major Repub victory. Now, the Tea Party is up against the wall. I think there's going to be a major--a generational--movement.

But that's just me.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2012, 05:06:51 PM »
Quote from: mrclose on June 28, 2012, 05:03:48 PM
That 'might' be true IF we didn't have our own version of Pravda!

This is going to be spun by the MSM as a great thing that Obama has given to the people!

It will also be spun as .. "If Romney and the Repubs are elected, they will take your health care away from you!"

The freeloaders and outright IDIOTS (which are in the majority) are too D@MN stupid (or don't care) to know what has just taken place!

After all .. "IT'S FREE"!! W-H-E-E-E-E-E

I'm pissed too but the only choice is to dig in and fight.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 05:21:57 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on June 28, 2012, 05:06:51 PM
I'm pissed too but the only choice is to dig in and fight.

Dig in hell...  That is a defensive posture.

I say go on the attack.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 05:28:56 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on June 28, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
Dig in hell...  That is a defensive posture.

I say go on the attack.

To paraphrase Gen. Patton:

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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 05:38:43 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
I'm no bunny, but I think Roberts just gift-wrapped us a Republican in the White House and a Republican-majority House and Senate. Taxes can be repealed. The Commerce Clause can't.

Would we have had a different nominee if this decision was rendered before Romney reached 1410 delegates?
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 06:02:10 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
I'm no bunny, but I think Roberts just gift-wrapped us a Republican in the White House and a Republican-majority House and Senate. Taxes can be repealed. The Commerce Clause can't.

I think so, too.  Hell, even a ptarmigan could see it.
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Re: Forget Health Care .. The Bigger Picture
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 06:53:22 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on June 28, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
I think so, too.  Hell, even a ptarmigan could see it.

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