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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #125 on: June 28, 2012, 02:51:13 PM »
I still have to have faith. Faith is all one can have at points.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2012, 02:54:43 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2012, 03:10:15 PM »
This was an AA (Affirmative Action)-based ruling which occurred because Roberts succumbed to leftl-wing mau-mauiing.  :hammer:

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #128 on: June 28, 2012, 05:03:59 PM »
What bothers me most, is Roberts admitted that under the commerce clause it was not Constitutional, then he goes and fixes the law for them so he can uphold it, by declaring it a tax.  :banghead:

What I don't understand is, if it is a tax how could he rule on it before the tax was implemented?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2012, 05:36:53 PM »
What bothers me most, is Roberts admitted that under the commerce clause it was not Constitutional, then he goes and fixes the law for them so he can uphold it, by declaring it a tax.  :banghead:

What I don't understand is, if it is a tax how could he rule on it before the tax was implemented?

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2012, 07:43:08 PM »
Bingo.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2012, 08:06:29 PM »
The supremes don't make laws; that's the responsibility of the congress.

Justice Roberts made the law today.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #132 on: June 29, 2012, 12:16:32 AM »
The short answer is...YES. Justice Roberts (Bush Jr.s choice) has now made it legal for Congress to pass any law to enforce a mandate to purchase any service or product they deem for your own or societies good. You have no choice. NONE. The state may punish you for any free choice you make, or for not making the choice at all.

As a practical matter you will pay a fine of 95 dollars or one percent of your income if you do not purchase government approved insurance (the greater of the two). My 2018 (or so) the fine will increase to 2 1/2 percent of your salary.

Roberts was always suspect by folks in the know (e.g. Ann Coulter warned us 7 years ago) and Bush Jr blew it nearly as bad as daddy Bush (who appointed Souter, a hard core leftwinger).

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #133 on: June 29, 2012, 03:30:36 AM »
^ Screwed? "effed?" Just plain ****ed?

I think one of those is what you meant to say.  :-) Welcome to the forum.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #134 on: June 29, 2012, 07:59:32 AM »
Independence Day is going to feel damned hollow after this.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #135 on: June 29, 2012, 08:35:27 AM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #136 on: June 29, 2012, 08:53:26 AM »
Or can be manipulated to the point it is indeed worthless. Like someone else said, it was a good country while it lasted. Before long, nothing differentiates us from the shitholes that are nearly bankrupt in Europe. :banghead:

This.

Though, I wont knock the decision, as it being constitutional under precedent, and in regard to congresses ability to tax. After all, the law is no different than social security, in those regards (except that you can opt-out of the program altogether, if willing to pay a substantial fine).

(Not as if I agree with the law, though. Ideologically, this law is sh!t)
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #137 on: June 29, 2012, 08:56:27 AM »

I'm sincerely apologize, Mr. Franklin. What you had envisioned has been lost. :(

Its been lost since the civil war, and Abe Lincoln's big government @$$...

And what happened yesterday was no different than what has been taking place for over 100 years in this country.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2012, 08:57:39 AM »
This.

Though, I wont knock the decision, as it being constitutional under precedent, and in regard to congresses ability to tax. After all, the law is no different than social security, in those regards (except that you can opt-out of the program altogether, if willing to pay a substantial fine).

(Not as if I agree with the law, though. Ideologically, this law is sh!t)

It is not Constitutional under precedent. This law had no precedent in what it set before the Court.

Having to pay a fine to not participate is not what anyone sane understands as "opting out." We are still being COMMANDED to buy a product OR ELSE. Social Security does NOT do that. Believe what you want to believe.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #139 on: June 29, 2012, 09:00:00 AM »
Its been lost since the civil war, and Abe Lincoln's big government @$$...

And what happened yesterday was no different than what has been taking place for over 100 years in this country.

I agree with everything above, you are absolutely correct about what the Civil War did to us, but if we're in the 7th Circle of Hell, is there some reason we needed to be dragged down to the 10th Circle of Hell?

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #140 on: June 29, 2012, 09:08:02 AM »
I agree with everything above, you are absolutely correct about what the Civil War did to us, but if we're in the 7th Circle of Hell, is there some reason we needed to be dragged down to the 10th Circle of Hell?

Momentum has a way of working like that.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #141 on: June 29, 2012, 09:17:17 AM »
It is not Constitutional under precedent. This law had no precedent in what it set before the Court.

Having to pay a fine to not participate is not what anyone sane understands as "opting out." We are still being COMMANDED to buy a product OR ELSE. Social Security does NOT do that. Believe what you want to believe.

There used to be a time when you opted out with an employer and they'd pay you a small stipend because of the money they saved on premium. Here you opt out and you get fined...really?

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2012, 09:52:34 AM »
So say you don't pay for your own insurance and you do pay the tax. Does that mean when you get sick you are screwed? You may not go to the ER and get help? You had your chance? Because I think it should mean that if not then wtf does this tax improve in healthcare






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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #143 on: June 29, 2012, 10:15:01 AM »
So say you don't pay for your own insurance and you do pay the tax. Does that mean when you get sick you are screwed? You may not go to the ER and get help? You had your chance? Because I think it should mean that if not then wtf does this tax improve in healthcare

That was my understanding. At first, I thought too it meant you'd be covered under something, but I think this was the stink with the DUmmies about single payer. They know you aren't umbrelled under any sort of government plan like their favorite socialist shitholes so you basically are penalized for not having something. this was the stink that the sensible ones had--if you couldn't afford insurance, how does penalizing you and you still don't have it help any.

What I was eluding to is some hospital administrator was talking about how this will unclutter the ER...ok, maybe they will move people who didn't have insurance before out of there, but what of those forced to drop it who don't qualify for any assistance? They will take the place of those leaving the ER. Not to mention, if the uninsured now move into doctor's offices, how long will the wait be for an appointment? Many people will be forced back into the ER because they can't wait 6 weeks to see their primary care physician. Somehow some people think this solves the supply of doctors problem that's already there. they are just shuffling the problem around.

That's a side rant though. Sorry Gina. This whole thing makes my blood boil.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2012, 01:46:44 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2012, 03:40:57 AM »
This is great news. I can barely afford to keep a roof over my head, food in the fridge and gas in the car and now I have to find some way to pay for health insurance.

I think I'll call it a tax on the un/underemployed.

Thank you John Roberts. What the **** were you thinking?

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However, this Obamacare bullshit makes it exponentially harder. Not just on me, I realize, but all of us!

**** you, Justice Roberts!

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #146 on: June 30, 2012, 07:24:46 AM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2012, 09:42:00 AM »
Man I'm so glad Dinglers and Ben have found each other.  Match made in heaven.


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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2012, 09:58:45 AM »

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2012, 10:01:36 AM »
The more and more I think about this, the more and more I hope this was done by Justice Roberts to keep Obama from getting re-elected. If not, then he can **** OFF!