The Dude is sick of the lies

[Freeper]

Stinky The Clown (46,441 posts)

 
Night after night I get angry at having to hear the Big ****ing Lie

The Big ****ing Lie is couched in many guises and stories, but its all the same at its core.

Tonight the news did a story (that was, of course, already reported and discussed on DU) about the pension "crisis" in San Diego and San Jose. A 20% and 27%, respectively, portion of those cities' budgets.

So what's the Big ****ing Lie?

The Big ****ing Lie is that there's no money.

There is no money because of the well choreographed demonization of taxes. It is absolutely unbelievable that people who get less than they ought to so the .01%ers who run their lives and dictate the terms of their substandard working pay and benefits, have convinced them that taxes on the .01% somehow is bad for them. This causes them to vote to "cut taxes".

Scott Walker says he's still in office because people want leaders to make hard decisions.

It seems to me a no brainer to tax the .01% until their eyes bleed and then tax high wage earners commensurate amounts to support their burden on society. That's a hard decision no one seems willing to tackle. Include the folks who our side votes for.

But no one on the news tells this basic truth.

It isn't about high costs. It is about insufficient revenue.

I want tax reform as much as the next guy. I just don't want the *same* tax reform the "other" guys want.

The dumbest ****ers in all of this are those morons who work for substandard wages and then support the best interests not of themselves but of the very people holding them down.

I'll never forget the moron who bragged on a right wing web site that he hated the liberals and was happy working three jobs to maintain his family. Why isn't that ****ing moron calling for the end of the preferential treatment of the .01%? Sometimes the stupid actually burns.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002778346

People like Stinky are the reason we are in the shape we are in. They think that if someone else has something that it should be taken away and given to someone else. They think that they are owed a retirement at 40 and health care for life. Meanwhile the poor bastards paying the tab get hounded for more and more, and get labeled greedy when they have had enough. These people are working their asses off and hoping that they can save and invest enough so they too can retire someday. The left loves to talk about fairness, how in the hell it is fair that us private sector folks not only have to pay for our own retirements, but we have to finance the government workers as well?

As for anyone who wants to tax someone until their eyes bleed, they should be the first ones taxed so they can see what it would be like.

abelenkpe (5,086 posts)
1. My relatives in VA

fall into the "moron" category happily cheering on and voting for the very people and policies that make their life hell. You'd think all the talk of taxing the poor would give them pause but somehow they don't recognize that's them.

And 0bama's policies aren't hell on earth?

SammyWinstonJack (34,255 posts)
6. And the reason behind voting against their best interest in support of those who

hold them down, is in part, pure greed and selfishness.


They might be part of the .01% one day, or so they dream and they sure as hell don't want to have to pay more in taxes.


greedy little shits!

So not wanting other people's money taken from them and handed to us is greedy?

It has nothing to do with this bullshit reasoning you goons dreamed up about us someday wanting to be rich and not being taxed, it has to do with fairness, there's that word again  , it is not fair to tax people until their eyes bleed no matter how much they have. I also wonder what these sooper geniuses think will happen after all the eye bleeding is done where we will get more money from. Once we have taken all the wealth where does the rest come from?

1StrongBlackMan (897 posts)
8. I suppose walker is correct ...

Scott Walker says he's still in office because people want leaders to make hard decisions.


The people seem to really want leaders that will make decisions that are hard on them. "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

Yeah because it would be so much better if the unions didn't have to sacrifice just a little bit, and a bunch of people lost their jobs. You wanna talk about being selfish? When you aren't willing to give just a little bit to take care of your own needs in order to save the other guy's job, that is selfishness and greed.

[thundley4]

StinkDude's wife has a headache?

Night after night I get angry at having to hear the Big ****ing Lie

The Big ****ing Lie is couched in many guises and stories, but its all the same at its core.

Tonight the news did a story (that was, of course, already reported and discussed on DU) about the pension "crisis" in San Diego and San Jose. A 20% and 27%, respectively, portion of those cities' budgets.

So what's the Big ****ing Lie?

The Big ****ing Lie is that there's no money.

There is no money because of the well choreographed demonization of taxes. It is absolutely unbelievable that people who get less than they ought to so the .01%ers who run their lives and dictate the terms of their substandard working pay and benefits, have convinced them that taxes on the .01% somehow is bad for them. This causes them to vote to "cut taxes".

Scott Walker says he's still in office because people want leaders to make hard decisions.

It seems to me a no brainer to tax the .01% until their eyes bleed and then tax high wage earners commensurate amounts to support their burden on society. That's a hard decision no one seems willing to tackle. Include the folks who our side votes for.

But no one on the news tells this basic truth.

It isn't about high costs. It is about insufficient revenue.

I want tax reform as much as the next guy. I just don't want the *same* tax reform the "other" guys want.

The dumbest ****ers in all of this are those morons who work for substandard wages and then support the best interests not of themselves but of the very people holding them down.

I'll never forget the moron who bragged on a right wing web site that he hated the liberals and was happy working three jobs to maintain his family. Why isn't that ****ing moron calling for the end of the preferential treatment of the .01%? Sometimes the stupid actually burns.

If cities raise taxes too high, the rich will move to an area with lower taxes.  Duh!!

abelenkpe (5,086 posts)
1. My relatives in VA

fall into the "moron" category happily cheering on and voting for the very people and policies that make their life hell. You'd think all the talk of taxing the poor would give them pause but somehow they don't recognize that's them.

Obama is taxing the poor, and their children, grandchildren and on and on by huge deficits.

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More likely they'll kick my ass again though.

You are one of the few that gets it and that is anti social don't you know.

We have ****ing revenue problem! That is too damn simple to understand.

Welcome to the race to the bottom.

No, we have a spending problem.  People are finally waking up to that fact.  Hopefully it is not too late.

Never mind. Freeper beat me to it.

[Freeper]

I thought I saw you lurking in that thread, I waved but you didn't wave back. 

[Gina]

I'll never forget the moron who bragged on a right wing web site that he hated the liberals and was happy working three jobs to maintain his family. Why isn't that ****ing moron calling for the end of the preferential treatment of the .01%? Sometimes the stupid actually burns.

   it's called having a work ethic and not expecting something for nothing!  RW dude is proud and doesn't want to be a welfare shit.

[Ballygrl]

He needs to cheer up before he gets invited to the picnic!

[WinOne4TheGipper]

The reason that seems like a no-brainer to you is because you have no brain.

[Ballygrl]

I'll never forget the moron who bragged on a right wing web site that he hated the liberals and was happy working three jobs to maintain his family. Why isn't that ****ing moron calling for the end of the preferential treatment of the .01%? Sometimes the stupid actually burns.

My Mother worked 3 jobs to put me through school, I paid for my own college, when my Dad got sick and couldn't work we basically lived on chicken and pasta because it was the cheapest thing to buy, my Parents would never of thought to ask for a handout from the Government, and if anything it made us appreciate when times are good.

[obumazombie]

Conservatives should never fall for the "what's fair" debate with libs.

[Freeper]

Conservatives should never fall for the "what's fair" debate with libs.

I say we throw the word fair right back in their faces. Nothing irritates a lib more than having their own words turned on them.

[obumazombie]

I say we throw the word fair right back in their faces. Nothing irritates a lib more than having their own words turned on them.

What we think is fair is reality, what they think is fair is fantasy. Both ideas are worlds, even universes apart.

[Tucker]

This coming from a ballerina who enjoys the best that life has to offer.

The dude can afford to voluntary pay more taxes.

[USA4ME]

Stinky The Clown

It seems to me a no brainer to tax the .01% until their eyes bleed and then tax high wage earners commensurate amounts to support their burden on society. That's a hard decision no one seems willing to tackle.

Ah, so high wage earners are a "burden on society."  How?

Maybe the reason no one's willing to tackle this hard decision is because to try and explain it would reveal them to be as stupid as you are, husb2.

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[I_B_Perky]

My Mother worked 3 jobs to put me through school, I paid for my own college, when my Dad got sick and couldn't work we basically lived on chicken and pasta because it was the cheapest thing to buy, my Parents would never of thought to ask for a handout from the Government, and if anything it made us appreciate when times are good.

No shit Ballgrl. Times got really tuff back in the mid to late 70's for Pa Perky's household. Welfare was not an option. I remember one teacher handing me the free lunch papers, she knew times were tuff for us, and I took them home. Dad threw them away. Said we'll grow our own damn food. Worked in the summers on Grandpa Perky's farm. Brother Perky took a min wage job and so did I when I got old enough. Made me want to achieve. Pa Perky told me he couldn't afford to send me to college and if I wanted it bad enough, I would work for it.

I did and I got the degree. I decided I was never gonna be poor again. Good times come around, I save every penny I can. bad times come around, and they have from time to time, I got enough to last them out.

Back then being poor was an incentive to achieve. Now? Not so much.

Pisses me off.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Stinky The Clown (46,441 posts)

 
Night after night I get angry at having to hear the Big ****ing Lie

The Big ****ing Lie is couched in many guises and stories, but its all the same at its core.

Tonight the news did a story (that was, of course, already reported and discussed on DU) about the pension "crisis" in San Diego and San Jose. A 20% and 27%, respectively, portion of those cities' budgets.

So what's the Big ****ing Lie?

The Big ****ing Lie is that there's no money.

There is no money because of the well choreographed demonization of taxes

Somebody obviously never learned how to win at Sim City Classic.

[thundley4]

From what I have heard, "The cake is a lie".

[Freeper]

No shit Ballgrl. Times got really tuff back in the mid to late 70's for Pa Perky's household. Welfare was not an option. I remember one teacher handing me the free lunch papers, she knew times were tuff for us, and I took them home. Dad threw them away. Said we'll grow our own damn food. Worked in the summers on Grandpa Perky's farm. Brother Perky took a min wage job and so did I when I got old enough. Made me want to achieve. Pa Perky told me he couldn't afford to send me to college and if I wanted it bad enough, I would work for it.

I did and I got the degree. I decided I was never gonna be poor again. Good times come around, I save every penny I can. bad times come around, and they have from time to time, I got enough to last them out.

Back then being poor was an incentive to achieve. Now? Not so much.

Pisses me off.

Amazing how our culture has shifted from being like your dad, and not wanting help to how people demand help, get it and demand even more.

[jukin]

No shit Ballgrl. Times got really tuff back in the mid to late 70's for Pa Perky's household. Welfare was not an option. I remember one teacher handing me the free lunch papers, she knew times were tuff for us, and I took them home. Dad threw them away. Said we'll grow our own damn food. Worked in the summers on Grandpa Perky's farm. Brother Perky took a min wage job and so did I when I got old enough. Made me want to achieve. Pa Perky told me he couldn't afford to send me to college and if I wanted it bad enough, I would work for it.

I did and I got the degree. I decided I was never gonna be poor again. Good times come around, I save every penny I can. bad times come around, and they have from time to time, I got enough to last them out.

Back then being poor was an incentive to achieve. Now? Not so much.

Pisses me off.

I came from a single mother household and at one point she lost her job. She was proud but there was nothing else to do in Carter's economy for a woman and went to the welfare office to get some help. She was told that she was the wrong color, white. We did get food stamps for a short period of time.  The lady that lived above us was paralyzed from the waist down and had two daughters 8 & 10. She was the wrong color too when she went to the welfare office.

[Ballygrl]

No shit Ballgrl. Times got really tuff back in the mid to late 70's for Pa Perky's household. Welfare was not an option. I remember one teacher handing me the free lunch papers, she knew times were tuff for us, and I took them home. Dad threw them away. Said we'll grow our own damn food. Worked in the summers on Grandpa Perky's farm. Brother Perky took a min wage job and so did I when I got old enough. Made me want to achieve. Pa Perky told me he couldn't afford to send me to college and if I wanted it bad enough, I would work for it.

I did and I got the degree. I decided I was never gonna be poor again. Good times come around, I save every penny I can. bad times come around, and they have from time to time, I got enough to last them out.

Back then being poor was an incentive to achieve. Now? Not so much.

Pisses me off.

Too bad your words won't resonate with those who need to hear it the most.

[Ballygrl]

I came from a single mother household and at one point she lost her job. She was proud but there was nothing else to do in Carter's economy for a woman and went to the welfare office to get some help. She was told that she was the wrong color, white. We did get food stamps for a short period of time.  The lady that lived above us was paralyzed from the waist down and had two daughters 8 & 10. She was the wrong color too when she went to the welfare office.

My Aunt in the 1960's had a baby out of wedlock, some neighbors told her to go down to the welfare office, she went down there, she was denied, and she was actually told if you weren't white we'd have to give it to you, she got a job a few weeks later and had family members babysit. To say that welfare wasn't invented to destroy the black community is an outright lie.

[USA4ME]

Ah, so high wage earners are a "burden on society."  How?

Maybe the reason no one's willing to tackle this hard decision is because to try and explain it would reveal them to be as stupid as you are, husb2.

At least someone asked this (no, I don't mole the island):

Zanzoobar
 
28. "and then tax high wage earners commensurate amounts to support their burden on society."

Is a guy who makes 20 bucks an hour more of a burden on society than a guy who makes 10 bucks and hour? If that's not enough of a span, how about 100/hr vs 20/hr.

Maybe I'm missing your point. I may have misread it.

Stinky The Clown
 
32. You think twenty bucks an hour is a high wage earner?

Zanzoobar
 
33. I wasn't sure what you meant

That's why I threw in the 100 vs 20 range.

Either way, you seem to imply that higher earners are more burdonsome on society. I was just wondering what your range was.

Relevant question, but I'd rather husb2 try and explain how high wage earners are a burden on society.  Com'n, let's see you try, little Mikey.  I assure you whatever your answer is that I'll rip you up one side and down the other for how stupid it will be.

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[I_B_Perky]

Amazing how our culture has shifted from being like your dad, and not wanting help to how people demand help, get it and demand even more.

Thank LBJ for that. 

I truly fear that our nation is gonna fall. 

[ChuckJ]

My Aunt in the 1960's had a baby out of wedlock, some neighbors told her to go down to the welfare office, she went down there, she was denied, and she was actually told if you weren't white we'd have to give it to you, she got a job a few weeks later and had family members babysit. To say that welfare wasn't invented to destroy the black community is an outright lie.

Someone told me a few months back that a former DFACS worker claimed that if a white person comes in the workers are instructed to answer only the questions asked; however, if a minority comes in the workers are instructed to explain all of the options available whether asked or not. I don't know how factual that is.

I do know that in the last 20 years I've had two friends attempt to get assistance. Both were white. One had a job lined up but needed some assistance feeding his 5 kids until the job started. He was told he was an able-bodied white male so he should just get a job. For the record, he was working a temp job while waiting on the real job to start, but the money he was making on his temp job barely paid for gas and utility bills. The other friend is a female who's husband got laid off. They told her that she wasn't eligible for any assistance because she had an automobile titled in her name. I've yet to figure that one out.

[Ballygrl]

Someone told me a few months back that a former DFACS worker claimed that if a white person comes in the workers are instructed to answer only the questions asked; however, if a minority comes in the workers are instructed to explain all of the options available whether asked or not. I don't know how factual that is.

I do know that in the last 20 years I've had two friends attempt to get assistance. Both were white. One had a job lined up but needed some assistance feeding his 5 kids until the job started. He was told he was an able-bodied white male so he should just get a job. For the record, he was working a temp job while waiting on the real job to start, but the money he was making on his temp job barely paid for gas and utility bills. The other friend is a female who's husband got laid off. They told her that she wasn't eligible for any assistance because she had an automobile titled in her name. I've yet to figure that one out.

I have no doubt what you're saying is the truth, but if that still goes on why haven't Republicans talked about this?

[thundley4]

I have no doubt what you're saying is the truth, but if that still goes on why haven't Republicans talked about this?

Any and all criticism of welfare is shouted down with cries of racism.  However, since that word is losing it's meaning, maybe soon that can be brought to light.

[Ballygrl]

Any and all criticism of welfare is shouted down with cries of racism.  However, since that word is losing it's meaning, maybe soon that can be brought to light.

The racism argument is so over-used, bring these workers and their rules and have them testify in front of Americans, we'll see how strong the racism argument will be.