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Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love.
"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old told AFP.

"I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.

Chiroux joined the US army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.

He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.

On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.

"I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.

"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation... I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.

Minutes earlier, Chiroux had cried openly as he listened to former comrades-in-arms testify before members of Congress about the failings of the Iraq war.

The testimonies were the first before Congress by Iraq veterans who have turned against the five-year-old war.

Former army sergeant Kristofer Goldsmith told a half-dozen US lawmakers and scores of people who packed into a small hearing room of "lawless murders, looting and the abuse of countless Iraqis."

He spoke of the psychologically fragile men and women who return from Iraq, to find little help or treatment offered from official circles.

Goldsmith said he had "self-medicated" for several months to treat the wounds of the war.

Another soldier told AFP he had to boost his dosage of medication to treat anxiety and social agoraphobia -- two of many lingering mental wounds he carries since his deployments in Iraq -- before testifying.

Some 300,000 of the 1.6 million US soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from the psychological traumas of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression or both, an independent study showed last month.

A group of veterans sitting in the hearing room gazed blankly as their comrades' testimonies shattered the official version that the US effort in Iraq is succeeding.

Almost to a man, the soldiers who testified denounced serious flaws in the chain of command in Iraq.

Luis Montalvan, a former army captain, accused high-ranking US officers of numerous failures in Iraq, including turning a blind eye to massive fraud on the part of US contractors.


Ex-Marine Jason Lemieux told how a senior officer had altered a report he had written because it slammed US troops of using excessive force, firing off thousands of rounds of machine gun fire and hundreds of grenades in the face of a feeble four rounds of enemy fire.

Goldsmith accused US officials of censorship.

"Everyone who manages a blog, Facebook or Myspace out of Iraq has to register every video, picture, document of any event they do on mission," Goldsmith told AFP after the hearing.

"You're almost always denied before you are allowed to send them home."

Officials take "hard facts and slice them into small pieces to make them presentable to the secretary of state or the president -- and all with the intent of furthering the occupation of Iraq," Goldsmith added.

Chiroux is one of thousands of US soldiers who have deserted since the Iraq war began in 2003, according to figures issued last year by the US army.

But while many seek refuge in Canada, the young soldier vowed to stay in the United States to fight "whatever charges the army levels at me."

The US army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for 30 days.

Chiroux stood fast in his resolve to not report for duty on June 15.

"I cannot deploy to Iraq, carry a weapon and not be part of the problem," he told AFP.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080516144757.0ds7otes&show_article=1

 :censored: he hit all of the talking points I see.  :whatever:
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 11:05:52 AM »
Fine. He can serve at f'n Ft. Leavenworth.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 11:09:13 AM »
Fine. He can serve at f'n Ft. Leavenworth.
...cleaning the latrine with his own toothbrush.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 11:57:24 AM »

...cleaning the latrine with his own toothbrush.

He's have to prove himself worthy of that kind of responsibility first if it were up to me.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 12:02:14 PM »

...cleaning the latrine with his own toothbrush.

He's have to prove himself worthy of that kind of responsibility first if it were up to me.
Hmmmm, what are the odds that he's on  :whatever:CodePinko's payroll. 
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 02:12:48 PM »
Hmmmm, what are the odds that he's on  :whatever:CodePinko's payroll. 

Wouldn't surprise me.  I know that there are places across the country...the one I heard about was in San Diego...where there is an organization that recruits...teaches and encourages soldiers and sailors to either desert or claim  conscientious objector status.

Last time I heard anything about them...they were even advertising on the sides of city busses.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 02:20:56 PM »
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Chiroux, a student of political science in his first semester at Brooklyn College, received an honorable discharge last July after working as a photojournalist for the U.S. military in Japan, Europe, the Philippines and Afghanistan. In February Chiroux received notice that he must report to the U.S. Army in June to be deployed to Iraq.

http://nyc.indymedia.org/or/2008/05/97242.html

This  :censored: is a 46 Quebec.  Print Journalist.

And he's the new "hero" of the anti-War left.
 
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Ok it's @ssholes like this guy that make me embarrassed to tell people I'm Army Journalism.

He didn't see anything...he didn't experience any of the "horrors" of war.

He sat safely behind the protective fences at Bagrham Air Base and his most dangerous decision every day was whether to eat the steak or the lobster tail that KBR was serving that night.

If this is what is passing for quality soldiers in my MOS these days...sounds to me like the Army needs to start being more selective again about who they let sign up.
 

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 02:22:02 PM »
Feel free to send the ****sticks at Indy media your comments about this douchebag:

http://nyc.indymedia.org/or/2008/05/97242.html
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 02:36:40 PM »
The article states he is a sargent? Must have better advancement in PJ.
looks like a ***** anyway.

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 02:40:23 PM »
The article states he is a sargent? Must have better advancement in PJ.
looks like a ***** anyway.

The 46 Series MOS as a whole is under strength.  The E-5 points for Quebec's and Romeo's both stay in the mid-500's most of the year.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »
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Chiroux, a student of political science in his first semester at Brooklyn College, received an honorable discharge last July after working as a photojournalist for the U.S. military in Japan, Europe, the Philippines and Afghanistan. In February Chiroux received notice that he must report to the U.S. Army in June to be deployed to Iraq.

http://nyc.indymedia.org/or/2008/05/97242.html

This  :censored: is a 46 Quebec.  Print Journalist.

And he's the new "hero" of the anti-War left.
 
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Ok it's @ssholes like this guy that make me embarrassed to tell people I'm Army Journalism.

He didn't see anything...he didn't experience any of the "horrors" of war.

He sat safely behind the protective fences at Bagrham Air Base and his most dangerous decision every day was whether to eat the steak or the lobster tail that KBR was serving that night.

If this is what is passing for quality soldiers in my MOS these days...sounds to me like the Army needs to start being more selective again about who they let sign up.
 
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you are a 46Q?

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No...really?

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 02:58:41 PM »
you are a 46Q?

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No...really?

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Nope I'm a 46R.  I handle the broadcast end of things.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 03:51:06 PM »
Matthis Chiroux

Jason Lemieux

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 04:44:02 PM »
Sounds like a good time to reclass him to 88M.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 05:20:15 PM »
Sounds like a good time to reclass him to 88M.

Maybe 01P, inflight missile operator.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2008, 11:10:27 AM »
Wasn't al-Gore Army Journalist in Vietnam during his abbreviated [4 month] tour.

Strange ain't it how the dims/libs last two presidential candidates both spent abbreviated tours in 'Nam.

Of course, al-Gore's daddy was a defeatocrat senator who pulled some strings to have four 11 Bravos assigned as his bodyguards.  The only time al-Gore went out to the bush was when the AO was secure and even then there was two Hueys orbiting the AO, with orders to get al-Gore out, in the off chance the VC would shoot up the area where he was.

Too bad my high school friend didn't have a bodyguard 37 years ago this month when he was killed when the loach he was flying got shot down. 

As for the soldier in question, I'm sure his former comrades are glad he is no longer at their side, otherwise they would have to worry if he would be watching their back or stabbing them in the back.
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2008, 02:05:56 PM »
I suspect the little creep's argument will run aground on the fact that he has undoubtedly written material in the course of his duties concerning the war, without a fall-on-the-sword refusal being involved up until it looked like his own personal chitlins were headed for the combat zone.  Enjoy your year or so in confinement, shitbird, that's about what "Missing Movement by Design" is fetching these days, of course in your case the attempt to publicly embarass your service may run that up a bit as as an aggravating factor.  I'm sure you'll be back on the streets in time for the 2012 election even at that, though, just be sure you move to a state that let's convicted felons vote if they send the case to a GCM instead of a Special Court-Martial.

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2008, 05:11:14 PM »
He gets taken to task (online at least) here -
http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2008/05/matthis-chiroux.html

The questions are very interesting. Wonder if this asshat would dare answer them in a public forum??

Oh look, he's got "hero" status at the DUmp.  :bird: :whatever:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3296346
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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2008, 05:49:54 PM »
Wasn't al-Gore Army Journalist in Vietnam during his abbreviated [4 month] tour.

Yes.  Gore was a 71Q...the predecessor to the current MOS of 46Q.

ManBearPig also had a bodyguard w/ him the whole time.

Nixon was terrified of having the son of a sitting Senator killed.


Gore only served 4 months because like Kerry...he used a loophole in the rules that said if you are accepted to College you can get out of your enlsitment early.

Algore got accepted to Seminary School at Vandy...where he promptly failed out...reportedly because he was too stoned to attend classes.

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Re: New anti-war tool - solider refuses to serve in 'illegal war'
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2008, 07:02:57 AM »
Looks like he wouldn't even make it past the maneuvering watch going out of Pearl Harbor.  What a *****.
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