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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2012, 06:58:58 PM »
You guys side with progressives like Taft and Wilson. I'll continue to side with Jefferson, Washington, Adams, and the other founders. There is a reason we're more like a mob-rule democracy now than an actual Republic, and it would appear your thought process is why it is that way.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2012, 07:22:19 PM »
Btw, we're one step away from being a true, mob-rule Democracy doomed to fail. That step being getting rid of the electoral college and the same mindset that got the ball rolling on the 17th. When that happens, we have 5 years before we're completely Socialist. The reason we were set up as a federalist Republic is because the founders understood the idiocy and greed of the masses. No, not the DUmmies definition of greed. If people can vote to have your shit, they'll do it and we, as a culture, have become weaker as shown by how many people will vote for anyone that's promising them something.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2012, 07:37:23 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
Btw, we're one step away from being a true, mob-rule Democracy doomed to fail. That step being getting rid of the electoral college and the same mindset that got the ball rolling on the 17th. When that happens, we have 5 years before we're completely Socialist. The reason we were set up as a federalist Republic is because the founders understood the idiocy and greed of the masses. No, not the DUmmies definition of greed. If people can vote to have your shit, they'll do it and we, as a culture, have become weaker as shown by how many people will vote for anyone that's promising them something.

Because of Corzine NJ is 1 of those States trying to change from the electoral college to votes determining the winner of the Presidential election, I think they need 3/4 of the States to sign on to make that happen, just curious though, could that stand up to a Constitutional challenge?
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2012, 07:55:36 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on April 15, 2012, 07:37:23 PM
Because of Corzine NJ is 1 of those States trying to change from the electoral college to votes determining the winner of the Presidential election, I think they need 3/4 of the States to sign on to make that happen, just curious though, could that stand up to a Constitutional challenge?

Looks like its gonna depend on popular opinion since that's how far we've regressed.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2012, 08:01:50 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 07:55:36 PM
Looks like its gonna depend on popular opinion since that's how far we've regressed.

That wasn't the intent of the Founders though, which is why I think a Constitutional Challenge would be warranted.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2012, 08:10:50 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on April 15, 2012, 08:01:50 PM
That wasn't the intent of the Founders though, which is why I think a Constitutional Challenge would be warranted.

If they make it an amendment, you can't challenge it on constitutional grounds because, at that point, it's part of the constitution. Even that POS 17th is constitutional. Don't ever underestimate the stupidity of the masses. Human nature is always the monkey wrench thrown into the spokes of a good and effective government.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2012, 08:11:52 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
If they make it an amendment, you can't challenge it on constitutional grounds because, at that point, it's part of the constitution. Even that POS 17th is constitutional. Don't ever underestimate the stupidity of the masses. Human nature is always the monkey wrench thrown into the spokes of a good and effective government.

I guess the only thing we have going for us is the south won't sign on to it.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2012, 08:15:27 PM »
BTW, I'm not the most conservative of people here, some think I'm a Libertarian, which isn't true. I'm an independent conservative with libertarian (small L) leanings on social matters. I try to default to freedom as much as I can, to quote Boortz. On this issue, no one is budging me. I've studied the ramifications along with the history that accompanies it. In a classical sense, I'm a classical liberal. That definition explains many people here.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2012, 08:22:10 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
BTW, I'm not the most conservative of people here, some think I'm a Libertarian, which isn't true. I'm an independent conservative with libertarian (small L) leanings on social matters. I try to default to freedom as much as I can, to quote Boortz. On this issue, no one is budging me. I've studied the ramifications along with the history that accompanies it. In a classical sense, I'm a classical liberal. That definition explains many people here.
To quote Clarice Starling "But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at me ?" I would be curious to see how accurate you are.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2012, 08:28:22 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on April 15, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
To quote Clarice Starling "But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at me ?" I would be curious to see how accurate you are.

This isn't DU or FR. There is a broad array of opinions here. We don't walk lockstep. Probably the one main thing that binds us is fiscal conservatism and the fact that we don't give a shit about political correctness. I hope that never changes. Unlike Jim at FR, I won't ever tell you what this site is, supports, and what we all collectively believe in. "I" do not make this site. Everyone here makes this site.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2012, 08:29:56 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
This isn't DU or FR. There is a broad array of opinions here. We don't walk lockstep. Probably the one main thing that binds us is fiscal conservatism and the fact that we don't give a shit about political correctness. I hope that never changes. Unlike Jim at FR, I won't ever tell you what this site is, supports, and what we all collectively believe in. "I" do not make this site. Everyone here makes this site.
Fair enough. Thanks.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2012, 10:20:29 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on April 15, 2012, 07:37:23 PM
Because of Corzine NJ is 1 of those States trying to change from the electoral college to votes determining the winner of the Presidential election, I think they need 3/4 of the States to sign on to make that happen, just curious though, could that stand up to a Constitutional challenge?

By definition, a Constitutional Amendment is Constitutional. However, if they put a expiration date on ratification, if they don't get the right number of states to ratify, poof, it's like it never happened
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2012, 11:07:07 PM »
Quote from: docstew on April 15, 2012, 10:20:29 PM
By definition, a Constitutional Amendment is Constitutional. However, if they put a expiration date on ratification, if they don't get the right number of states to ratify, poof, it's like it never happened

Tell that to the 16th.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2012, 06:13:08 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 15, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
Tell that to the 16th.

Why isn't the 16th Constitutional?

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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2012, 06:31:47 AM »
Quote from: docstew on April 16, 2012, 06:13:08 AM
Why isn't the 16th Constitutional?

You've never heard all those people out there saying it was never ratified by enough states?
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2012, 08:47:01 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on April 16, 2012, 06:31:47 AM
You've never heard all those people out there saying it was never ratified by enough states?

Never have. Interesting thought.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #91 on: April 18, 2012, 01:10:11 PM »
Just listening to Rush and he played a clip of Romney on Kudlow and Romney talking about adopting some lib ideas about tax breaks to the wealthy, and Rush was at a dinner and they were talking about Romney and his plans about eliminating mortgage deductibility on 2nd homes, special outreach to hispanics and women, capital gains tax on those making over $200,000. This isn't good. :censored:
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2012, 02:58:46 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on April 18, 2012, 01:10:11 PM
Just listening to Rush and he played a clip of Romney on Kudlow and Romney talking about adopting some lib ideas about tax breaks to the wealthy, and Rush was at a dinner and they were talking about Romney and his plans about eliminating mortgage deductibility on 2nd homes, special outreach to hispanics and women, capital gains tax on those making over $200,000. This isn't good. :censored:

Yeah, but getting them through a Tea Party-inspired House of Representatives is going to be tough, to put it mildly.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2012, 03:29:54 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on April 18, 2012, 02:58:46 PM
Yeah, but getting them through a Tea Party-inspired House of Representatives is going to be tough, to put it mildly.

How do you figure?  :confused:

Teh ReichsMessiah has been able to get TWO raises in the debt ceiling through a theoretically TEA-party inspired House.  If they'll bend over and grab the ankles for the Immaculated one who is a Dhimmi'Rat, how much more readily would they bend over and grab the ankles for the Mitt Wit, he having the magic (R) beside his name, and they being unwilling to be portrayed as "obstructionist".
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2012, 09:34:51 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on April 18, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
How do you figure?  :confused:

Teh ReichsMessiah has been able to get TWO raises in the debt ceiling through a theoretically TEA-party inspired House.  If they'll bend over and grab the ankles for the Immaculated one who is a Dhimmi'Rat, how much more readily would they bend over and grab the ankles for the Mitt Wit, he having the magic (R) beside his name, and they being unwilling to be portrayed as "obstructionist".

First, we need to get more conservatives elected in both houses. Second, get rid of that wimpy kiss ass bonehead named Boehner. Same with McConnell
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2012, 09:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on April 18, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
First, we need to get more conservatives elected in both houses. Second, get rid of that wimpy kiss ass bonehead named Boehner. Same with McConnell

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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2012, 09:38:44 PM »
We need a tough and brass conservative in the presidency also. Not someone who is going to be soft and *****. Like McCain was. He was a wimp, if he would have went after Obama a little more, he would have had a better chance of winning. I am hoping that Romney goes after Obama with both barrels. He needs to if he wants to have a chance of getting elected.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2012, 09:42:53 PM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on April 18, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
We need a tough and brass conservative in the presidency also. Not someone who is going to be soft and *****. Like McCain was. He was a wimp, if he would have went after Obama a little more, he would have had a better chance of winning. I am hoping that Romney goes after Obama with both barrels. He needs to if he wants to have a chance of getting elected.

Romney needs a VP pick like McCain had in Sarah Palin, but Romney needs to turn that person loose, and not keep a tight rein on them like the RNC did with Sarah.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2012, 09:44:48 PM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on April 18, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
We need a tough and brass conservative in the presidency also. Not someone who is going to be soft and *****. Like McCain was. He was a wimp, if he would have went after Obama a little more, he would have had a better chance of winning. I am hoping that Romney goes after Obama with both barrels. He needs to if he wants to have a chance of getting elected.

I'm so furious at Romney backing down and supporting "bipartisanship" screw that, I want someone tough. Obviously I have no other choice but to vote for Romney, but yeah, I totally get some of the posts I read at FR and their Romney bashing. Listening to Levin tonight and his talking about Boehner and McConnell strong-arming Tea Party people who won in 2010 and some of the tactics they've been using, they need to both be voted down from their positions.
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Re: I don't like Romney.
« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2012, 09:46:56 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on April 18, 2012, 09:42:53 PM
Romney needs a VP pick like McCain had in Sarah Palin, but Romney needs to turn that person loose, and not keep a tight rein on them like the RNC did with Sarah.

I love Rubio of course, but can he be an attack dog? Christie could, but I think there's only 1 VP debate anyway, is that enough to gather traction?
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