Don asks what should be the minimum wage for pushing a broom

[Tucker]

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Sun Apr 1, 2012, 05:58 PM

Star Member NNN0LHI (64,770 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

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What would you consider a "living wage", in the current economy?
Now when you think about this consider it for someone living on one paycheck with a spouse and a couple of children to support off that one living wage. And remember kids eat non-stop. I watched my two grandsons eat $5 dollars worth of grapes before I could blink.

I would say at minimum it should be $25 dollars an hour with a medical insurance package included.

What do you think?

Don

Gas would be 10.00 a gallon, milk 5.00 a gallon and bread 4.00 a loaf.

It's all relative.

CAPHAVOC (1,062 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. There should be a minimum income. Unrelated to work.

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For all. Expand Social Security and eliminate all Government Social Programs. Any work could be additional income. Social Security would start at graduation from high school. Every adult should have Medicare and Social Security as a "starting point." They could then choose to live in squalor or improve their conditions by working. But at least it would stop the National Pity Party.

And where does this money come from?

sorrybushisfromtexas (424 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. at a minimum and that would be tough

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My son lives in a high rent area. He made $107,000 last year. He has no credit card debt but is smothered by student loan and medical debt. He does not even have cable t.v. He barely makes it. He works two jobs, has a wife that does not work, and two kids.

He is not healthy, has a couple of hospital visits a year, both kids have had surgeries, and my daughter in law has rheumatoid arthritis.
There is about $1000 a month payment on student loan debt, $1350 a month rent, $650 a month on car payment on 1 car( daughter in law wrecked a car they were upside down on so they paying for two cars even though they have one. They have over 25,000 in medical debt.

He lives paycheck to paycheck. If he misses a day of work they are in the hole. He missed Friday because of sickness and has had two ER visits this weekend. He will probably miss work at least 3 days next week. They are toast this month.

DUmmies raising DUmmies to be DUmmies.

CAPHAVOC (1,062 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Under my brilliant plan he would pay a 50% flat tax on his income. About 53,000.

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Leaving 53,000 in addition to his and his wifes social security check. That might be a total of 78,000 expendable if social security was 1,000 for each. He would have no medical debt because they would all have Medicare. I would tax all income at 50% from dollar 1. We gotta do something this mess is not working.

He might be worth keeping an eye on.

elias7 (986 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. You want to turn social security into an entitlement program? Math doesn't work.

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How do you determine how much SS someone would get, as there is a formula based on what income you make in your lifetime?

How about high school dropouts? When do we start paying them?

I dont get the math. For example, this year 3.2 million people will graduate from hs. Let's be fair and pay all dropouts when they hit 18 as well: another 1 million. So what's the living wage? $1000/mo? $12k/yr? That's $50 billion for one single age group per year. With a life expectancy of 80, that means 67 single age groups get paid, coming to $3.3 trillion/ yr, which pretty much is The entire 2012 budgetary spending (20% of which currently goes to ss), despite revenue of only $2.3 trillion.

Right now ss pays for itself, $820 Billion in $725 billion out. You want to expand SS 400%.

If you decide that a living wage is $50k/yr, your program will cost $14 trillion.

And taxing at 50% really would build resentment by those who work. The Fox meme of us paying for freeloading welfare recipients would actually be somewhat accurate.

obama can print more money. Problem solved.

DUmmy math get complicated.

2ndAmForComputers (906 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Take the rent for a two-bedroom apartment

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Plus gas for 1,000 miles for an average car
Plus monthly groceries for three
Plus 600 KWh electricity
Add $500
Divide by 160
That's your number

A lot of stupid on display.

[Rebel]

These idiots think 25 bucks an hour should be minimum wage? What happens when a loaf of bread rises to 10 bucks? Their stupidity should be a case study. Prices are directly correlated to the economy and wage dynamics.

[Wineslob]

"DUmmie Math" should be a fatal disease.

[DefiantSix]

These idiots think 25 bucks an hour should be minimum wage? What happens when a loaf of bread rises to 10 bucks? Their stupidity should be a case study. Prices are directly correlated to the economy and wage dynamics.

The funny thing is, even with 25 years of experience in my career field, and over a decade of making MORE than $25 an hour at most of my jobs, $25 an hour is still a rate I have to provide a helluva lot of justification for on my bids.  Before any employer shells out that kind of money, he want's to see the evidence that he'll have a return on his substantial investment.

[DefiantSix]

"DUmmie Math" should be a fatal disease.

It is.

[Tucker]

It is.

Ground eye view.

[Karin]

Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:27 PM
obey (49 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

9. In the current economy and at today's prices

beginning at age 18 everyone should be guaranteed an annual income equal to twice their age.

Those making more should be taxed enough to provide that level of economic security for the others.

A Federal agency needs to be established to recalculate the income needs and taxing rates on a yearly basis.

 

And people wonder when the Demokrat party went out-and-out Communist. 

[Chris_]

Insanity.

Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:27 PM
obey (49 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

9. In the current economy and at today's prices

beginning at age 18 everyone should be guaranteed an annual income equal to twice their age.

Does this include the 25% of 18-year-olds that don't graduate from public school or can't read and write?

[Rebel]

obey (49 posts)

9. In the current economy and at today's prices

beginning at age 18 everyone should be guaranteed an annual income equal to twice their age.

Those making more should be taxed enough to provide that level of economic security for the others.

A Federal agency needs to be established to recalculate the income needs and taxing rates on a yearly basis.

[Rebel]

Insanity.
Does this include the 25% of 18-year-olds that don't graduate from public school or can't read and write?

Of course. That f'n idiot thinks I should bust my ass and make the same damn thing as someone that sits on their asses all day. One question, lurking DUmbasses, where's my incentive to work?

[Maxiest]

sorrybushisfromtexas (424 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. at a minimum and that would be tough

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My son lives in a high rent area. He made $107,000 last year. He has no credit card debt but is smothered by student loan and medical debt. He does not even have cable t.v. He barely makes it. He works two jobs, has a wife that does not work, and two kids.

He is not healthy, has a couple of hospital visits a year, both kids have had surgeries, and my daughter in law has rheumatoid arthritis.
There is about $1000 a month payment on student loan debt, $1350 a month rent, $650 a month on car payment on 1 car( daughter in law wrecked a car they were upside down on so they paying for two cars even though they have one. They have over 25,000 in medical debt.

He lives paycheck to paycheck. If he misses a day of work they are in the hole. He missed Friday because of sickness and has had two ER visits this weekend. He will probably miss work at least 3 days next week. They are toast this month.

Sounds to me like this person isn't very financially responsible.  I understand the illness and stuff, that is just bad luck and life rolled into one.  But if they only have two kids, and it sounds like they might be older.  Why isn't the wife working?  Doing something?  Making bows selling them on Ebay?

Why are they renting if he makes $107,000?  If rent is $1350, a house payment for the same size house would be about 15% less.

I have made half that and lived just fine with the kids.

http://www.daveramsey.com/home/  try it DUmmies.

[Chris_]

$650 a month for a car?  What did he buy, a Lamborghini?

[jukin]

It should be a hundredy billioney.  That way you get the people that know which end to push.

[DefiantSix]

$650 a month for a car?  What did he buy, a Lamborghini?

Close (price-wise, anyway).  Probably a Chevy Volt or a Prius.

[Karin]

Every now and then, they just love to float this idea and kick it around.  Everybody gets $35-$50K for free, no questions asked.  Don in particular is fixed on the $50K.  This is both minimum and maximum, everybody gets $50K.  And that's it.  WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?  

[Gina]

These idiots think 25 bucks an hour should be minimum wage? What happens when a loaf of bread rises to 10 bucks? Their stupidity should be a case study. Prices are directly correlated to the economy and wage dynamics.

  omg they are stooooopid

Didn't they institutionalize them back in the day for this kind of stupidity back in the day?

[JohnnyReb]

Why does DUmmie financial planning always involve so much of my money?

[Tucker]

omg they are stooooopid

Didn't they institutionalize them back in the day for this kind of stupidity back in the day?

Most of em were killed at birth.

[Celtic Rose]

Why does DUmmie financial planning always involve so much of my money?

Because they hate the idea of actually having to sacrifice anything, and they are too stupid to understand that commodity prices will increase as salaries increase.

[DumbAss Tanker]

If any of them ever passed an Econ class, they obviously didn't learn anything from it.  Well, except that guy who's about to get tombstoned, 14 posts short of his 1000th.

[wasp69]

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 05:58 PM

Star Member NNN0LHI (64,770 posts)

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What would you consider a "living wage", in the current economy?
Now when you think about this consider it for someone living on one paycheck with a spouse and a couple of children to support off that one living wage. And remember kids eat non-stop. I watched my two grandsons eat $5 dollars worth of grapes before I could blink.

I would say at minimum it should be $25 dollars an hour with a medical insurance package included.

What do you think?

Don

Here's an idea, one that I'm very sure you won't like:  Don't add to your financial load before you can upgrade your financial source.

Simple, huh?

[Gina]

Here's an idea, one that I'm very sure you won't like:  Don't add to your financial load before you can upgrade your financial source.

Simple, huh?

That would involve aspirin

[GOBUCKS]

I would prefer to get all my income in coins.

I'd then have it converted to dollars by nadin at 60 cents per dollar.

[wasp69]

That would involve aspirin

Or a penny if you're in a pinch...

 

[seahorse513]

Sounds to me like this person isn't very financially responsible.  I understand the illness and stuff, that is just bad luck and life rolled into one.  But if they only have two kids, and it sounds like they might be older.  Why isn't the wife working?  Doing something?  Making bows selling them on Ebay?

Why are they renting if he makes $107,000?  If rent is $1350, a house payment for the same size house would be about 15% less.

I have made half that and lived just fine with the kids.

http://www.daveramsey.com/home/  try it DUmmies.

I was asking myself those questions too. There is something not quite right with this story...