RE: Iran; typical DU US-hating or a significant fissure?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

OK, Iran issues the daily bluster.

DU bites.

except...

...not all of DU bites and actually slaps back at other DUers for being such tools.

Is this a fissure?

SunsetDreams (5,275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore


 Iran Threatens Preemptive Action
 
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libtodeath (138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

1. They learned

well from us and dumb shit shrub. 
WWIII and its blood will still be on his hands.

RZM (4,698 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. Not so much

W wasn't the first person to launch an attack. He didn't invent preemptive war.

Nor is he responsible for the statements or actions of the Iranian government.

libtodeath (138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

6. Whatever

the bush doctrine states that preemptive war or attack was our official policy at the same time saying Iran was part of the axis of evil and then invaded Iraq.
What would anyone expect them to do?

RZM (4,698 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

7. I'd expect them to issue statements like this

Which are calculated to elicit just this response from the Western left. The US and Iran engaged in an undeclared scrap in the Gulf in the 80s, during the Iran/Iraq War. Carter planned a commando raid against them as well. Tension and threats between the two countries are nothing new. Blaming Bush for Iran's actions unfairly absolves them of responsibility for what they say and do. Bush certainly didn't ratchet down the tension with Iran, but a war of words has been going on for more than 30 years now. Bush was a part of it, not the cause.

Iran owns what it says and does, for better or worse, just like every other sovereign nation.

libtodeath (138 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. Do you think

they would have made such a specific declaration prior to idiot boy saying that we would attack first and ask questions later?
I doubt it so it does land squarely on his shoulders.

MrBig (275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

9. I disagree - I think they would have made such a declaration anyways n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002334693

[AllosaursRus]

Holy crap! Intelligence from the DUmp! Will wonders never cease!

[Rugnuts]

i think the thread is dead.
they killed it.

[Carl]

Iran is making noise because they know with o in the White House nothing will be done to stop them.

[Ballygrl]

Take the handcuffs off Israel and let them go to town and do what they have to do, they'll silence Iran and the other rabble rousers in the middle east for the next 40 years.

[Rebel]

Take the handcuffs off Israel and let them go to town and do what they have to do, they'll silence Iran and the other rabble rousers in the middle east for the next 40 years.

To my knowledge, last time that we actually stopped Israel from doing anything was during the Desert Storm when they were being bombarded with SCUDS, and they only did that because we were already on the ground and handling it and had Patriot batteries in Israel. If Israel knows we aren't going to do a damn thing to stop Iran, there isn't a thing the Kenyan can do to stop them from stomping Iran's ass into the ground. Oh, we're going to pass sanctions? Israel isn't as dependent as the moonbats and Paulistinians would have you believe and we get a TON of technological advances from Israel. Look at the Nobel Prize winners list, no, not that bullshit peace prize, the actual prize. We're not just an ally because they're the only democracy in the region or because we helped set them up; it's to our advantage to be their ally as well.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

As impressive as Israel has performed in past engagements I'm skeptical over the logisitics needed to strike Iran.

The route/distance alone seems insurmountable in the best of scenarios. It all but precludes a sustained bombing campaign.

That being said the degree of battlespace prep and hardened target bombing required means that a one-time strike will not suffice.

If I was Bibi, I'd make a one-time strike anticipating the mad mullahs would throw a generalized hissy fot and strike out at the US, hoping the US would then retaliate and along the way take out the intended targets.

But then...Obama is on office; he'd either absorb the attack or only offer nominal retaliation.

[Rebel]

As impressive as Israel has performed in past engagements I'm skeptical over the logisitics needed to strike Iran.

The route/distance alone seems insurmountable in the best of scenarios. It all but precludes a sustained bombing campaign.

That being said the degree of battlespace prep and hardened target bombing required means that a one-time strike will not suffice.

If I was Bibi, I'd make a one-time strike anticipating the mad mullahs would throw a generalized hissy fot and strike out at the US, hoping the US would then retaliate and along the way take out the intended targets.

But then...Obama is on office; he'd either absorb the attack or only offer nominal retaliation.

Those details in mind, I would think it would be a suicide mission and I have no doubt there are many Israeli pilots that would give their lives to protect millions of their countrymen and, inadvertently, the same Palestinians that would wish them dead. This was probably in the briefing for Operation Opera as well. I couldn't imagine, in their unique position, that they could even absorb a single nuclear attack.

[BlueStateSaint]

As impressive as Israel has performed in past engagements I'm skeptical over the logisitics needed to strike Iran.

The route/distance alone seems insurmountable in the best of scenarios. It all but precludes a sustained bombing campaign.

That being said the degree of battlespace prep and hardened target bombing required means that a one-time strike will not suffice.

If I was Bibi, I'd make a one-time strike anticipating the mad mullahs would throw a generalized hissy fot and strike out at the US, hoping the US would then retaliate and along the way take out the intended targets.

But then...Obama is on office; he'd either absorb the attack or only offer nominal retaliation.

I actually think there's either Mossad or IDF SF teams on the ground by some of these sites, if not all of them.  Also, let's remember that the Israelis have at least one nuke-armed sub in the area at all times.  Maybe some of those nukes would get used--hey, don't the Iranians want nukes?

[dixierose]

Please correct me if I'm wrong; but I could have sworn that Israel has already bombed a potential nuclear site in Iran several years ago? Am I remembering it right?

[Rebel]

Please correct me if I'm wrong; but I could have sworn that Israel has already bombed a potential nuclear site in Iran several years ago? Am I remembering it right?

Iraq, Operation Opera.

[formerlurker]

Iran makes lame attempt at flexing muscles, and the only response that should come from the U.S. is 

Russia is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.   Syria should tread carefully here.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Please correct me if I'm wrong; but I could have sworn that Israel has already bombed a potential nuclear site in Iran several years ago? Am I remembering it right?

They did but the factors this time around are substantially different route, distances, payloads, fuel etc.

It's not going to be a 1-hit mission. The Iranians paid enough attention to ensure they fare better than Saddam's Osirak reactor.

[Rebel]

They did but the factors this time around are substantially different route, distances, payloads, fuel etc.

It's not going to be a 1-hit mission. The Iranians paid enough attention to ensure they fare better than Saddam's Osirak reactor.

Ah, didn't remember that one.

[dixierose]

Iraq, Operation Opera.

Thanks!

[dandi]

More of the same there-is-no-individual-reponsiblity bullshit we've come to know and love from The Hive for years. Every other country, terrorist group, what have you, is merely a stimulus-response automaton that acts based on something Teh Evil Amerikkka does. They have no control over themselves.

Fly planes into buildings? America made them do it. Blow up a marketplace? America made them do it. Fill a mass grave with political dssenters? America made them do it. America, of course, usually meaning George Bush. They pretty much see their own pathetic lives with the same external locus of control. That's why they so desperately seek a nanny government to take care of them cradle-to-grave and why they're such big fans of conspiracy theories.