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So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« on: February 08, 2012, 04:41:37 PM »
Another great US healthcare bashing thread.

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She's originally from there but has been living in Seattle for the past 20 years (loves it).

And no surprise why she's going -- she's ill, and can't afford health care here. Serbia, like the rest of the civilized world, offers no-cost care to its citizens.

What is wrong with us? And WHY can't we get this message through those thick Republican heads?

Lovely woman. I feel sad for her, and ashamed of our "health care" system here.

No surprise the the DUmmie respond with their normal US sucks, and I so embarrassed.  

Did any one of them care to check just what is 'health care' in Serbia?

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Serbian healthcare has been severely under-funded for many years and consequently, the standard of healthcare available is of poor quality. Medical staff are well trained; however equipment and facilities let the health system down considerably.

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Prescription medicines must be paid for and doctors charge under-the-table payments for all services.

Wonder what happens if you don't make the under the table payment?

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Doctors are known as doktor and are the first point of contact with the state health system. Citizens can register with the doctor of their choice. Citizens will be charged a fee for each time they visit the doctor.

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Although the health facilities are relatively well staffed with qualified doctor and nurses, the quality of care is below standard, because services are not patient-centred, there is a lack of communication between local doctors and the health centres, and equipment and buildings are in bad condition.

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The conditions in most hospitals are of a low standard. Medicines and basic medical supplies can be obtained from privately owned pharmacies. Hospitals require cash payments for their services, and do not accept health insurance as compensation. This makes medical care difficult for the Serbian citizens to obtain.

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Emergency departments are open non-stop all year. The emergency care services are very expensive and not always an option for poorer citizens.

Sounds like a great example of government run health care.

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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 04:50:11 PM »
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11. Even after living abroad for 20 years, she'll still be taken care of when she goes home. nt
Yesss, I'm sure she will.
Unfortunately, the cost of shipping her remains back to the states for burial, might very well have covered the cost of her treatment here.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 05:09:54 PM »
 :cheersmate: Congrads to Scuba Guy! We have just discovered yet another liberal paradise: Serbia!
and you thought medical care in CUBA was the best in the world.
Here we have a gal leaving the greatest couintry on earth to answer the siren call of sweet Serbia!

sure the critics may call it a war torn country...BUT THEY LIE!
Progressives (the fonts of all truth) have raised this innocent country (that never had a civil war) up as a health care becon of hope for the world.

Come my liberal friends. Conservatives are lining up to pay for one way flights to this glorious country resting in the shadow of the quaint, kindly old Soviet Union who's munitions can still be dug up in playgrounds everywhere.
Join the happy smiling people in Sunny Serbian (with whom you will be sharing your new home with). Bring your pets, Serbians love them (they're delicious!).
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 05:12:28 PM by Mr Mannn »
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 05:13:32 PM »
Oh, how I really do wish DUmmies would lookup the term "Hydraulic empire" and realize how it applies to healthcare.  I'd say liberals, but people like Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are well aware of what they are doing.

So, how about it DUmmie lurkers are you up for the challenge?
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 05:24:50 PM »
Quote from: ScubaGuy on February 08, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
Wonder what happens if you don't make the under the table payment?

You die.

I saw a lot of that with my own eyes, in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants.

You die.

And if one makes an under-the-table payment, it's not cheap, usually higher than what one would pay across-the-table here in the United States, if one pays cash for medical services.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 05:51:27 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on February 08, 2012, 05:13:32 PM
Oh, how I really do wish DUmmies would lookup the term "Hydraulic empire" and realize how it applies to healthcare.  I'd say liberals, but people like Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are well aware of what they are doing.

So, how about it DUmmie lurkers are you up for the challenge?

Kind of like CA and the San Joaquin Valley.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 06:12:21 PM »
By all means, DUmmie please do encourage your pal to go to Serbia and also please do be a good chap and accompany her there.

Serbia, the worker's paradise~

http://www.ehfcn.org/media-press/news-announcements/nr/590

http://www.prlog.org/11176752-new-market-research-report-serbia-pharmaceuticals-healthcare-report-q1-2011.html

In September 2010, German drug company Stada Arzneimittel announced a partial halt in drug sales in Serbia, following fears over the inability of Serbian wholesalers to pay their bills. The current situation arose as state-run Serbian hospitals are either not paying or delaying their payments to wholesalers.

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (most recent) by country~

United States, 14.6%

Serbia/Montenegro, 8.1%

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_tot_exp_on_hea_as_of_gdp-health-total-expenditure-gdp

Health Expenditure Per Capita (PPP; International $)
2008

United States, $7,164

Serbia, $867

http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=66

I could keep going here, DUmmie. How many more references need be cited to convince you that you are full of sh!t?

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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 06:18:45 PM »
A relative of mine married a girl whose family is from Poland, her Aunt was diagnosed with Cancer, the Aunt was going to go home to Poland until she found out that because of her age treatment would be minimal to nothing compared to the US, so she's staying here.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 07:58:34 PM »
I extend my $100 "get the **** out of the USA (& renounce citizenship) rebate" to include Serbia. The worker's paradise countries of N. Korea, Venezuela, China, and Cuba are still valid for this offer.

Still waiting for a any DUchebag to take me up on this.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 07:59:52 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 08, 2012, 07:58:34 PM
I extend my $100 get the **** out of the USA (7 renounce citizenship) rebate to include Serbia. The fworker's paradise countries countries of N. Korea, Venezuela, China, and Cuba are still valid for this offer.
You may have to up the ante.  I heard the Obama administration is now charging a $450 filing fee for those what would like to officially renounce their United States citizenship.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 08:23:17 PM »
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She's originally from there but has been living in Seattle for the past 20 years (loves it).

And no surprise why she's going -- she's ill, and can't afford health care here. Serbia, like the rest of the civilized world, offers no-cost care to its citizens.

What is wrong with us? And WHY can't we get this message through those thick Republican heads?

Lovely woman. I feel sad for her, and ashamed of our "health care" system here.

I worked with a woman that was married to a serb.  He was diagnosed in this country with a very rare and fatal form of lung cancer.  Very devistating, he was only 25 at the time.  He got to go to the best specialists in this country, tried a couple of experimental treatments, but it was for naught.  He returned to Serbia to see his family for 1 last time, he died there.  She told me about him being in the hospital, with no pain meds for the pain.  Here, he would have been on a morphine pump and at home with hospice care.  There, she had to change the sheets, bring him food and water, (the water in the hospital was not working all the time every day). But, it was paid for.  So I guess that is the point the bats are trying to get across.

 Let her go to Serbia.  good luck with that, as long as she is healthy.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 08:50:53 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on February 08, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
You may have to up the ante.  I heard the Obama administration is now charging a $450 filing fee for those what would like to officially renounce their United States citizenship.

It strikes me that this $450 is a virtual "Berlin Wall" type of thing.

You know 0 said he wanted to reverse all of Reagan's progress. I guess putting a wall to keep Americans in is a very meta way of crossing that Rubicon with dots.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 09:44:37 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 08, 2012, 08:50:53 PM
It strikes me that this $450 is a virtual "Berlin Wall" type of thing.

You know 0 said he wanted to reverse all of Reagan's progress. I guess putting a wall to keep Americans in is a very meta way of crossing that Rubicon with dots.

That isn't anything new.  The United States is one of only two countries with a captive workforce.  Most other countries don't care about what you make while working in another country.  Here, the IRS goes after citizens who have lived in another country their whole lives and don't even know there US citizens.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 10:00:07 PM »
James Cameron bought land in New Zealand and is moving out of the US. Although he is Canadian, he doesn't like paying high US taxes either.  I read earlier that wealthy US citizens are renouncing their citizenship in record numbers under Obama.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 10:51:11 PM »
Is that why James Cameron is leaving?
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2012, 11:31:57 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on February 08, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Is that why James Cameron is leaving?

He claim that it is because he wants to raise his kids with better ethics on a ranch. Pretty sure that he could buy a ranch here in the US.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 08:08:36 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 08, 2012, 11:31:57 PM
He claim that it is because he wants to raise his kids with better ethics on a ranch. Pretty sure that he could buy a ranch here in the US.

I've also heard it's because he thinks the US economy is due to collapse soon.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2012, 08:32:01 AM »
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And no surprise why she's going -- she's ill, and can't afford health care here. Serbia, like the rest of the civilized world, offers no-cost care to its citizens.

How exactly does that work, DUmbass?
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2012, 08:39:02 AM »
This is just a bullshit bouncy.  I very seriously doubt "A woman just came in to where I work.... blah blah blah  :bs2flag:"
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2012, 09:46:40 AM »
If it is true, though, it's chilling.  I'm just kicking this on the off-chance a lurker might see it, and maybe the DUmmie will encourage her acquaintance to do a lot of homework. 
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2012, 10:48:10 AM »
Well in that case here is some more stats and info:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Serbia-and-Montenegro/United-States/Health

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expenditure per capita > current US$    218.7 $    6,096.2 $
Ranked 74th in 2004.    Ranked 1st in 2004. 27 times more than Serbia and Montenegro

expenditure, private > % of GDP    2.8 %    8.5 %
Ranked 62nd in 2004.    Ranked 1st in 2004. 2 times more than Serbia and Montenegro

expenditure, total > % of GDP    10.1 %    15.4 %
Ranked 12th in 2004.    Ranked 1st in 2004. 52% more than Serbia and Montenegro

First numbers are Serbia second US.
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2012, 10:58:40 AM »
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2012, 01:29:31 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on February 08, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Is that why James Cameron is leaving?

Who cares. The guys a liberal hack of a director. It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't sued not once but twice over the fact he failed to give credit to Harlan Ellison for the idea of the Terminator movies. And I have heard now he is being sued over Avatar .
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2012, 04:36:02 PM »
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And no surprise why she's going -- she's ill, and can't afford health care here. Serbia, like the rest of the civilized world, offers no-cost care to its citizens.

Oh! There's a brilliant ****in' idea! Let's leave the most technological advanced country in the world and go to a 3rd world turd hole to get help!

Makes all the sense in the world!
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Re: So a woman just came in to where I work and is making plans to go to Serbia.
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2012, 04:49:44 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on February 09, 2012, 04:36:02 PM
Oh! There's a brilliant ****in' idea! Let's leave the most technological advanced country in the world and go to a 3rd world turd hole to get help!

Makes all the sense in the world!

Yeah, to a DUmmie.   :lol:

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