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primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« on: January 22, 2012, 08:07:25 PM »
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As Price of Oil Soars, Users Shiver and Cross Their Fingers

When David Harris built his 2,000-square-foot hilltop home nine years ago, he wanted to put in natural gas, but the utility wouldn’t run a line to his house. Like many people here, he was stuck using heating oil.

Mr. Harris added a wood stove to help cut costs and now uses only about one-third of the oil the house would otherwise need. But that did not stop a deliveryman for Crowley Fuel from handing him a $471.21 bill earlier this month for a refill that should get him to April.

“You just cross your fingers and hope that it doesn’t get too much worse,” Mr. Harris said.

Actually, it probably will — for him and the residents of the roughly eight million other American homes that use heating oil, mostly in a band from Maine to Pennsylvania.

full: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/heating-oil-costs-surge-and-many-in-northeast-cant-switch.html?pagewanted=all

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You know, when I lived in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, I used to stop whatever I was doing, and stare at trucks making home deliveries of heating oil.  The phenomenon, never seen in Nebraska, fascinated me.

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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 08:13:22 PM »
your comment piqued my interest
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 08:16:59 PM »
your comment piqued my interest
whats a parasol, gay ninety, mustache-cup and high button shoe. i could nadin them but a lesson from franksolich beats any search engine.

Styles circa 1890-1910.

It was always so quaint, so turn-of-the-centuryish, home delivery of heating oil.  At least to me.

One almost expected to see a horse-drawn wagon with the stuff, rather than a delivery truck.

I however, never did find out if heating oil was used strictly in a furnace, or if it was used in stoves too.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 08:22:46 PM »
ahh, pre-wilson type stuff

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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 08:37:04 PM »
That doesn't seem too horrible for part of January, February, March and into April.  As I recall, the last time I heard the amount of propane my brother uses in a month, it was close to $300.  He keeps his house cold, and has a wood stove downstairs.  
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 10:21:41 PM »
Wanting higher energy prices yet crying about the real consequences of higher energy prices is a prime example of a mental disorder.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 06:09:07 AM »
Wanting higher energy prices yet crying about the real consequences of higher energy prices is a prime example of a mental disorder.

The effects of modern math on DUmmies, when they think 2+2 should =3 but it actually ='s 5 or more. You know, we have to raise the cost of energy so that the price of it will come down and the poor can use their fair share of it.

My head hurts after typing that.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 06:35:13 AM »
We have heating oil in this house.  It warms the house in minutes from freezing cold.  The downside is that it leaves a small layer of soot on everything at the end of winter and it smells kinda funky sometimes.  My last delivery was close to $800 and hopefully it lasts until April.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 06:46:26 AM »
We have heating oil in this house.  It warms the house in minutes from freezing cold.  The downside is that it leaves a small layer of soot on everything at the end of winter and it smells kinda funky sometimes.  My last delivery was close to $800 and hopefully it lasts until April.

That shouldn't be happening. Get your firebox'flue checked for cracks/leaks and/or rust and by all means, buy a carbonmonoxide detector.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 07:11:53 AM »
Styles circa 1890-1910.

It was always so quaint, so turn-of-the-centuryish, home delivery of heating oil.  At least to me.

One almost expected to see a horse-drawn wagon with the stuff, rather than a delivery truck.

I however, never did find out if heating oil was used strictly in a furnace, or if it was used in stoves too.

Dear Frank, as a kid I became use to the smell of Karoscene, in homes. It fueled the stove, and heated the place, also kept the lamps burning.

One grandparent had a modern home, oil furnace with radiators that had air in them and clanked as they heated up.
Early morning the sound of comfort and the coffee smell of brewing in the old type percolators ----something we do not use any more, spelled security for me.

Other grandparent lived in an old farm house, early morning was the chunk a chunk of the coals being shaken down, up stairs had big grates in the floor so the heat would rise, frost on the windows and the hot brick wrapped in a towel at the foot of the bed, stone cold. Grandma so happy and proud of her new electric range cooking bacon and eggs-------The smells on a cold winter morning at both places, the old and the new, safety and love.

Karoscene, the smell brings me back to the summer camps they both had before the electric poles were brought in.

The lamp shades, glass that had to be washed every week, the wick that needed cutting. I have no memory of how the Karoscene was brought to either camp but I do remember the Ice man arriving with Hugh chunks of ice held on big metal prongs for the Ice boxes.

Then the family that spent all their money on a right good funeral, Karoscene heater in the livingroom, big old cast iron wood stove  in the kitchen that put out heat too hot to stand by it for minutes at a time.   Front of one was too hot while the back side froze.

 Miserable life I thought, out house in the back and a bright red water pump in the kitchen, more like a summer camp then a year round home.

Imagine my surprise to find about 20 years ago these Kerosene room heaters on the market.  Smack dab in the middle of a room with kids and pets running about them.    OH Crap, this is a disaster I thought, but somehow most survived with no problem.     A few row houses were burned down, perhaps a few hundred died, but people still buy them.

Mrs. O' Leary's lamp that set off the great Chicago fire was Karoscene, or Whale oil.   Blame it on the Irish.



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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 07:20:19 AM »
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When David Harris built his 2,000-square-foot hilltop home nine years ago, he wanted to put in natural gas, but the utility wouldn’t run a line to his house. Like many people here, he was stuck using heating oil.

I doubt that. They'll put in anything you want, if you're willing to pay for it. I now know why we didn't have flaming left-wing lunatics in the 1800's. They'd have all died out.

BTW Vesta, it's "Kerosene", not "Karoscene". How you got it right and so badly wrong  in the same post is beyond me.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 09:50:07 AM »
I doubt that. They'll put in anything you want, if you're willing to pay for it. I now know why we didn't have flaming left-wing lunatics in the 1800's. They'd have all died out.

BTW Vesta, it's "Kerosene", not "Karoscene". How you got it right and so badly wrong  in the same post is beyond me.

Hum, maybe she means the Kayro Scene? Would that be like the Wesson Parties of the sixties? Come on Vesta, tell, did you get to messin in the Wesson.  I suspect one lathering up with Kayro at a Wesson party would be quite a novelty.  But this is a family show so I won't go into details on either. 

On the stove front the local rag ran an article about folk turning back to wood.  It was interesting because they also had a note about a pipeline abolitionist coming to town to speak.  Both peaked my curiosity as I was getting the pellet stove cleaned and loaded for the day.

When I have a few minutes I will have to detail my history of heating devices throughout the course of my life.  I grew up on a farm which relied exclusively on horses to plow, plant, and log ( boards and fire wood).  Trust me when they say wood heats three times, it is true.  I have woken up many a morning to find the water frozen in the sink after the fire has gone out.  Cord wood is a hard, dangerous, dirty way to heat.  The pellet stove is incredible and far less dirty but you still need to be vigilant. 

Someone should nadine when 'fuel oil' became popular.  I still remember lots of old boilers having coal and wood grates here in the Northeast.  Gas, which I would prefer not to have, is relatively new as well ( infrastructure thing).  The gas line stops about a quarter of a mile from my house and I am fine with that. Propane tanks ( unless buried ) are ugly although probably safer than piped in gas (just my opinion from seeing what happens when gas pipes leak in city blocks).

Off I go to visit the stove shop, just down the road from Vesta's IINM. :lmao:
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 10:00:26 AM »
Hum, maybe she means the Kayro Scene? Would that be like the Wesson Parties of the sixties? Come on Vesta, tell, did you get to messin in the Wesson.  I suspect one lathering up with Kayro at a Wesson party would be quite a novelty.  But this is a family show so I won't go into details on either.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 10:14:15 AM »
Trust me when they say wood heats three times, it is true.  I have woken up many a morning to find the water frozen in the sink after the fire has gone out.  Cord wood is a hard, dangerous, dirty way to heat.  The pellet stove is incredible and far less dirty but you still need to be vigilant.

I've never heard the expression of wood heating 3 times. Please elaborate.

Admittedly I was raised in cities but I'm trying to make a go of country living (as my contempt for cities grows). I've got 6 acres of pine forest and am in desperate need of advice on how to heat a 3700 sq ft hutch...or at least a fair portion of it.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 10:20:11 AM »
I've never heard the expression of wood heating 3 times. Please elaborate.

Admittedly I was raised in cities but I'm trying to make a go of country living (as my contempt for cities grows). I've got 6 acres of pine forest and am in desperate need of advice on how to heat a 3700 sq ft hutch...or at least a fair portion of it.

Don't use pine trees. You'll be scrubbing your ass off until the end of time. I've never heard of the wood heating 3 times either and my parents burn wood in their fireplace every winter.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 10:29:06 AM »
I've never heard the expression of wood heating 3 times. Please elaborate.
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It's an old saying that it warms you three times. Once when you cut it, once when you split it, and once when you burn it.

You don't want to heat with pine.

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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 10:36:48 AM »
We have heating oil in this house.  It warms the house in minutes from freezing cold.  The downside is that it leaves a small layer of soot on everything at the end of winter and it smells kinda funky sometimes.  My last delivery was close to $800 and hopefully it lasts until April.
You urgently need to have your system inspected.

Somewhere in the firebox/heat exchanger/flue there's a leak.

Not to be an alarmist, but that could kill everyone in the house.

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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 10:39:42 AM »
We have oil, and it is very expensive this year.   Wood stove is just not an option with my tots.   Sigh.


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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 11:40:31 AM »
Don't use pine trees. You'll be scrubbing your ass off until the end of time. I've never heard of the wood heating 3 times either and my parents burn wood in their fireplace every winter.

I believe he refers to 1. chopping it 2. stacking it and 3. burning it.

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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 11:48:23 AM »
Don't use pine trees. You'll be scrubbing your ass off until the end of time. I've never heard of the wood heating 3 times either and my parents burn wood in their fireplace every winter.

Now that 67 Rover explains it, it makes sense.  But, pine's not good for heating, unless you're starting a fire (and only for fire-starting).
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 12:15:38 PM »
Now that 67 Rover explains it, it makes sense.  But, pine's not good for heating, unless you're starting a fire (and only for fire-starting).

The best fire starters I have found are in the link below, when I am in my N.H. cabin the Jotul F600 is the preferred source of heat. I also have a 500 gallon Propane tank but that is usually for the stove, dryer, and hot water heater when I am there and for forced hot air to heat when I am not there.



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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 12:58:47 PM »
I have detectors upstairs and downstairs.  The furnace is about 30 years old and maybe older.  I just need a new one.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 01:06:18 PM »
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It's an old saying that it warms you three times. Once when you cut it, once when you split it, and once when you burn it.

You are forgetting moving the rounds, moving the split wood to pile, and moving from pile to fireplace.
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 03:58:47 PM »
I've never heard the expression of wood heating 3 times. Please elaborate.
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It's an old saying that it warms you three times. Once when you cut it, once when you split it, and once when you burn it.
You don't want to heat with pine.

Bingo on the three times.  I agree that pine is not a good wood to heat with ( unless you have nothing else) because it builds up cresote like the dickens unless you burn it wide open.  And if you burn wide open it is inefficient as all get out. 

I really wonder what combination of keys I just hit on this laptop to delete completed ¶'s of text.  Darn I am not retyping it.

I had to go to two different stove shops to find what I wanted so I have essentially been on the road most of the day.  I was surprised at the amount of snow inland. 
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Re: primitive crosses his fingers and shivers
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 05:22:26 PM »
I have lived in propane heated houses, wood heated houses, and natural gas heated houses.  I LOVE natural gas!!  But I really like the cost of wood heat, so am looking forward to supplementing our furnace with wood after we move. 

I don't know if they make ventless stoves for heating oil, but think I would look into one.  Anything that is 99% efficient is worth a look...
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