We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100240566

mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.
 I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong.

Thanks

Actually you are but you knew that.

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
2. What is your definition of "well to do?"

Reason I ask is it seems like a lot of 99 percenters think raising our property taxes is a great idea.

I don't think being forced out of our home due to rising property taxes is a great idea. All my wife and I have is our home. And we can't sell it for what we have invested in it.

Do you consider us well to do?

Don

Torches and pitchforks dude,you have something others don`t.

Sarah Ibarruri (16,081 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
5. I know, but I don't think he's mentioning the million specifics? Merely a GENERAL CONCEPT that


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those of us who want to PROTECT AND DEFEND the 99% against the 1% are not crazy. As for your property taxes, I'm all for property taxes being raised on properties beyond a certain value that render these properties of the rich. I doubt yours fits into that. Am I correct in assuming your property doesn't fit into the description of a property owned by someone who is rich? Are you rich? Just asking, and not trying to play 'semantics.' I've played semantics with Repukes plenty of times, whereby they say, "Oh well, someone who makes $200,000 and has 14 kids is not rich!" That's just bullshit to prevent a real discussion.

Speaking of nutjobs.

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
11. I retired from an auto factory so I am not rich

My retirement is about $24,000 a year and dropping. My pension was reduced by about a $1000 this year. My property taxes went up $1200 this year.

I consider our 1500 square foot house a pretty nice place to live because we fixed it up and took care of it. Sure isn't no McMansion though.

Does that sound rich to you?

Don

Sounds like your state/county/town has overspent,gotta love those blue states so pay up Don.

Bluenorthwest (17,451 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
13. Property taxes are local, not nation wide issues, Don

What this thread addresses is the larger picture. There are many States and localities that run property taxes in ways those of us from other places do not understand at all. I offer that failed local politics is what leads to that sort of thing. Your taxes went up because of your local tax law, not because others are seeking justice on other issues thousands of miles from you.
 There are places in the US where property taxes need to rise. Others where they need to drop. In CA., they freeze at purchase, so some folks I know who inherited homes pay under $500 on houses now worth more than half a million. Should my pals complain that they pay 375 on a house they could sell for 600K today? Is their situation anything like your own?

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
19. Don't agree about this not being a federal issue

This is why when someone begins talking about raising taxes with no specificity it unnerves me. It is because I am already on the edge financially.

This is a national issue because if my state doesn't receive the federal dollars it needs to keep operating I know darn well my state will need to make up for the loss of those federal dollars somewhere. And in the past those shortfalls were made up with higher property taxes on people just like myself. Texas used Federal Stimulus money to balance the state budget for instance.

So this is a concern that is probably more important to me than most of those concerns expressed by those seeking justice on other issues thousands of miles from me. I am much more concerned about my property taxes increasing than the Federal Reserve. My wife and I don't want to become homeless.

Don

In other words take it from someone else so I can have mine.
**** you Don and pay your fair share for the benefits you want your state to bestow.

Sarah Ibarruri (16,081 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
25. I know, Don. People are living on the edge. Right wingers have destroyed this country.

It's up to us to educate people and begin rebuilding it. I do understand the fears about what might be done. We can't trust the govt. from Reagan to the present day.

I would say people like Don begging for something for nothing is what ruins things idiot.

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
21. $1200 is what the taxes on our home were when we moved in 22 years ago


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They are right at $4800 now. Haven't seen the increase for next year yet. When we bought the place we figured they might double and go up to $2400 tops and we should be able to pay that after we got it paid for even on a small pension.

Now we are discovering by the time we get it paid for the property taxes alone per month will be more than our entire original monthly mortgage payment was when we bought this house which included principal, interest, taxes and insurance back then. And my income back then was three times what I am making now.

Last time I told this story here another DUer posted, "Rent, problem solved."

Nice, huh?

Don

Pay up Don,you owe it to your state.

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
24. Most of it is attributable to our factories closing up


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Just one Ford plant I retired from used to have 4800 hourly workers and another 1000 salaried employees paying huge amounts of withholding taxes into the state and federal coffers every week. They were all paying the maximum into FICA to keep Medicare and SS well funded too. Most those jobs have been moved overseas.

And that is just one factory out of hundreds just like it. We used to have streets lined with them. Both sides. Gone.

That is the problem.

Don

Edit: I ruled out the housing bubble theory when my homes value increased and my taxes went up, and then later my homes value decreased my taxes still went up.

Gotta love those unions though.

eridani (32,837 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
26. The problem is that property tax is now the major form of wealth tax

It shouldn't be that way, and it doesn't have to be. We can tax many other forms of wealth, and should.

Just as long as it isn`t mine!!!!

It is hard not to hate these whining,useless leeches.

[BattleHymn]

NNN0LHI (63,630 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
21. $1200 is what the taxes on our home were when we moved in 22 years ago


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They are right at $4800 now. Haven't seen the increase for next year yet. When we bought the place we figured they might double and go up to $2400 tops and we should be able to pay that after we got it paid for even on a small pension.

Now we are discovering by the time we get it paid for the property taxes alone per month will be more than our entire original monthly mortgage payment was when we bought this house which included principal, interest, taxes and insurance back then. And my income back then was three times what I am making now.

Last time I told this story here another DUer posted, "Rent, problem solved."

Nice, huh?

Don

I'm glad I cast one of my votes for DOTY on this clown. 

[franksolich]

I'm glad I cast one of my votes for DOTY on this clown. 

Grouchy old Don is being purposely and wilfully stupid.

He knows why his taxes skyrocketed; he knows he voted for those people.

[diesel driver]

Grouchy old Don is being purposely and wilfully stupid.

He knows why his taxes skyrocketed; he knows he voted for those people.

He knows, he did it willingly, he'll do it again and again in a heartbeat, and thru it all, will parrot the party line:
"It's All Bush's Fault!^tm"

[Carl]

Don has lived a life of poor choices in a state that has made poor choices.

Suck on it Don.

[Carl]

NNN0LHI  (1000+ posts)        Thu Sep-08-11 12:16 PM
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32. I retired at 48
   Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 12:30 PM by NNN0LHI
One of the reasons I gave consideration to for retiring that early was being worried about hurting someone else on the job.

I wasn't a doctor but my job involved working with very large machinery where one little mistake could cause a fatal injury so fast you can't even imagine. I seen guys get killed on the job and all it took was for one person to not think something thru thorough enough before doing it and a split second later someone would be left dying in about the most horrible way imaginable.

If I had been responsible for something like that I don't think I could have lived with myself. Never gave much thought to how much more money I could have been making if I had not retired when I did. There are a lot more important things to me than money. Peace of mind is one of them.

Don

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1899049

I suspect that in his rush to not working Don gave up much in the way of pension payments.
Pay up Don and stop being a crybaby.

[LC EFA]

mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
...
. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. ...

I bet you even said that with a straight face.

Evidence would indicate that you want exactly the opposite, starting with the 1st and 2nd amendments and moving on from there.

[Celtic Rose]

I love it when they start spouting off about things, and then tell people that they are getting too specific, or that they're not talking about details. 

Any idea sounds like it can work if you stay at the Macro level.  It is when you start figuring out how things will be paid for and who will pay for them that things get difficult.

[GOBUCKS]

I hate seeing property taxes go through the roof, although here in red state hell they are still extremely, extremely low.

But I really love seeing DUmmies like UAW DUmbass Don reaping what he spent decades sowing.

After years of paying union dues to support left-wing socialists, and considering the company that paid him the enemy, these are beautiful chickens that are coming home to roost on DUmbass Don's roof.

The union-organized decline of heavy manufacturing is a sad thing to witness, but the silver lining is when people like DUmbass Don are destroyed by it.

I hope he loses his home and starves in the street.

[Tucker]

Of all the desires that the DUmmies want/demand, the living wage has to be the DUmbest. They expect that janitors make 30.00 per hour. What they don't realize is that a loaf of bread would be 10.00 and milk would be 15.00 per gallon. Their spending power would be less, not more.

[jukin]

Ten out of ten insane people also think they are not insane.

[GOBUCKS]

And Baltimore Vinnie, husb2Spunkly, doesn't believe he's a laughingstock.

[BEG]

Shut up Sarah Ibuprofen, you know nothing about paying taxes.

[NHSparky]

Funny how the states with the most oppressive taxes are blue states, huh DUmmies?

[seahorse513]

I retired at 48

48?? 48?? there is no bloody way could I retire at 48!! Unless I won the powerball!

Must be nice to be able to do that though..

[Tucker]

48?? 48?? there is no bloody way could I retire at 48!! Unless I won the powerball!

Must be nice to be able to do that though..

Same here. I had to wait until I was 53.

[Evil_Conservative]

Raise property taxes?

We are not homeowner's yet, but I do get the pleasure of processing loans.  I will sometime run into an "evil 1%-er's" home.  Just today I had one.  The guy paid $2,000 PER MONTH in property (county) taxes alone.  That didn't include the hazard, school, or city taxes.

[BattleHymn]

Raise property taxes?

We are not homeowner's yet, but I do get the pleasure of processing loans.  I will sometime run into an "evil 1%-er's" home.  Just today I had one.  The guy paid $2,000 PER MONTH in property (county) taxes alone.  That didn't include the hazard, school, or city taxes.

That's more than I pay in a year.  I think I'd be moving. 

[Evil_Conservative]

That's more than I pay in a year.  I think I'd be moving. 

Same here.  I cringe at the taxes some people have to pay.  They pay a butt load of taxes and these ungrateful little punks want to take more from them. 

[diesel driver]

Raise property taxes?

We are not homeowner's yet, but I do get the pleasure of processing loans.  I will sometime run into an "evil 1%-er's" home.  Just today I had one.  The guy paid $2,000 PER MONTH in property (county) taxes alone.  That didn't include the hazard, school, or city taxes.

Here in "red state hell", I pay less than $300 a year for both real estate and personal property taxes.  That includes my house, 4 acres of land, 2 barns, a garage, 3 storage buildings, 5 cars (and trucks), and a 26 foot camper.

[Karin]

Time to join the TEA party, Don.  You've been taxed enough already, haven't you?  What have the democrats done for you exactly, besides extracting $4800 on your meager annual $24,000?  That's a big bite.  How can they be so cruel?

BTW, who the hell wants to retire at 48?  This was not a sustainable plan, Don.  You're going to find an income stream somewhere.  Those Quickiemart places are always hiring.  Get up off the sofa, Don. 

[Ballygrl]

Bluenorthwest (17,451 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
13. Property taxes are local, not nation wide issues, Don

<snipped>

Why are taxes raised on property owners though? it couldn't be because of the school unions? could it?

[DumbAss Tanker]

mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.

I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong...

...Those of us who want Skittle-shitting unicorns for Christmas Festivus...those of us who want Mommy and Daddy to pay for everything for us forever...those of us who don't think it's right that you should have to have a job before getting unemployment, or that it should end in only 99 short weeks...

 

[docstew]

Same here.  I cringe at the taxes some people have to pay.  They pay a butt load of taxes and these ungrateful little punks want to take more from them. 

Ever checked out property taxes for Rockford?

~10%

[Wineslob]

mmonk (45,438 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.
 I'm speaking of those of us that want a fully funded public sector and are against austerity. Those of us who want a strong regulatory regimen. Those of us who do not want the safety net monkeyed around with. Those of us who want living wages and balanced trade policies. Those of us who demand corporations and the well to do to pay more as they have in the past. Those of us who want those in government and all its functionaries to be bound to Constitutional compliance and restraints. Those of us against privatization of government functions. We're not pie in the sky unreasonable wide eyed crazy liberals. If we complain about course of events and "compromise" at this point, please think of other ways to describe us rather than "purists", Nader supporters, people that don't understand "process", Obama haters or whatever. Just argue your position straight up and if we are wrong, show us where we are wrong.

Thanks

Yes, you are.

If you can't see whats wrong with this whole bunch of rot gut, what's the point? It's just more proof that you are "unrealistic nutjobs".