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The Fracturing of Occupy Wall Street
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From The Nation:
"Nothing about the park feels like Liberty Plaza anymore. Every inch of the perimeter, for instance, is lined with metal barricades, just inside which stand private security guards, husky and rude, dressed in all black, apart from their yellow vests. A massive Christmas tree has been set up in the park and barricaded off. Besides the few protesters, that’s who’s here. The guards and their barricades.
There’s no kitchen, no library, no medical tent, no media center. There is no drum circle, no sign-painting station, no welcome table on Broadway, no altar around the meditation tree in the northwest corner. There are only about a hundred people, deliberating democratic minutiae, trying to get through a too-big agenda, packed with yesterday’s unattended business.
This would be hard enough to do without the people who keep loudly interrupting the meeting. But every meeting I’ve recently attended—and from what I gather, every recent meeting I have not—has been brought to a grinding halt, the basic ability to debate and consent to proposals crippled by a determined few who will not to let things proceed until their issues are addressed. This is the reason for the backed-up business. The people shouting about their needs over the debate.
It’s clear that the primary issue afflicting Occupy right now is the lack of an occupation. In the month since the New York Police Department violently forced the occupiers out of Zuccotti, the people whose residence was Liberty Plaza Park have nowhere to go. Some of them had previously been homeless. Others left their homes to join the movement. But deprived of the food station, the medical tent, the things that once fulfilled their needs for basic survival, they have rapidly lost faith in Occupy Wall Street’s much-vaunted democratic process to provide the supportive community that once existed here."
http://www.thenation.com/article/165087/fracturing-occupy-wall-street
The freebies are gone dammit!
sabrina 1
14. This article is a waste of ink. Does this author think that OWS is only at Zuccotti Park?
He sounds more like Erin Burnett than someone from the Nation. He needs to ask someone where to go in NYC to find out what is going on.
This is a hit piece worthy of the MSM. Focused on a couple of stragglers at the Park.
Interesting that he does not address the Mayor's duty to look after the homeless, who were without shelter before OWS. And now are again neglected by the city as they have been for years. Shameful in a city like NY that until OWS came along, the homeless were left to die on the streets of NY and/or be thrown in jail.
What an ignorant article. Maybe he should have talked to someone like Jesse Lagreca eg.
One thing is for sure, Myerson is not going to be happy as this movement moves through the winter challenging the Banks, organizing, as it did yesterday, demonstrations in solidarity with other occupations and grows every day until the Spring when there will be massive demonstrations and events all over this country and the rest of the world.
'Bloomberg, Beware! Zuccotti Park is Everywhere'!
All over the city right now and no one I know is at all concerned about this 'fracturing' Myerson seems so worried about.
TheWraith
108. You qualify it as a "hit piece" because you don't agree with it.
The fact of the matter is that anyone not taking an "Emperor's new clothes" view can see that OWS is coming apart at the seams.
A rare moment of sense.
sabrina 1
113. I know that is your dream, you've certainly said it often enough
but unfortunately for you, and fortunately for the people of the world, this movement will be here, bigger, stronger and more powerful as it continues to grow, for years to come. Because that is how long it will take to try to deal with the horrendous damage done and continuing to be done to this country and so many others around the world.
This is a defining moment in history. There have been others, but we are fortunate to be here at a point when the tide is about to change and to be a part of that much needed change.
The American Revolutionaries among other historical movements, had plenty of nay-sayers also, but that did not stop them.
Why don't you explain what it is you think they are wrong about? And never mind the tactics, they have proven to have been overwhelmingly successful since it is now almost three months since they began and nearly everyone knows who they are and what they are talking about.
I notice you never talk about the issues. Just repeat the Wall St. think tank talking points. What is it about this movement you do not agree with? Why are you so afraid of it?
It is Fitzmas all over again.
No Sabrina,it is a bunch of dirt bag losers that want free stuff.
hack89
22. Failure to face potential failure is an unfortunately all too common human failing
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I just hate to see OWS piss away everything they have done.
God that posting and reply structure must only make sense to a lunatic.
HangOnKids
23. Of course you do hack89
I know you are shoulder to shoulder with the good people of OWS. Good progressive that you are.
hack89
25. So if one is not 100% in agreement with OWS and their tactics they are not good progressives?
Progressives don't goosestep in lockstep agreement. We are different than the right wing.
Union Scribe
28. When one makes a concerted effort to spread the word
that OWS has fallen apart, has been corrupted, is hurting more than helping, etc. then I have little else to conclude than an overall opposition to OWS.
Off to the gulag with this one!
Fire Walk With Me
2. Who needs Zuccotti Park when I've been given Superpowers.
I shall banish the NYPD and all police departments and sheriffs...we shall laugh the 1% out of their domeciles...we will...wait, was that just a bug?
Occupy leader and point man just got out of bed.
Fire Walk With Me
101. Judge me then by any community-building actions I undertake
including supporting the community-building #Occupy movement.
Oakland mayor Quan is a "progressive democrat". Go back and see the first image I posted of a bloody US veteran, a couple of replies back. Quan did that to Scott Olsen, who got through IIRC more than one tour in Iraq without injury. A "progressive democrat" did that to him. And he's not alone, another Vet, merely attempting to go home from his business in Oakland, was beaten into the hospital during another of the FOUR attacks by this conniving, unConstitutional criminal calling herself both "progressive democrat" and "mayor".
I'm not smug; I'm enraged at the Democrats who are literally at war with the civilian population. I'm not elitist; I'm pushing everyone in a direction where everyone has an equally-heard and equally-valued voice. Been to any General Assemblies? I DO have an attitude...bullshit does not sit well with me, no matter the badge worn by its perpetrator(s). Your labels have broken down and displayed very nearly deadly violence. Must I infer from your stance that you are okay with this? You have not said that it is NOT okay, not in any way I can detect.
#Occupy says ENOUGH!
The other day he said he was disables and in bed until noon.
Zorra
118. If Occupy were to fail, all hope for a better future would be gone forever.
Occupy is our last hope, if we lose, we will rapidly continue to regress into a resistance proof feudal plutarchy.
Nah,you over wrought emotional cretins will latch on to some other saviour.
Jello Biafra
127. Now that NDAA will not be vetoed....
anyone can call an occupier Al Qaida and imprison them indefinitely...people need to wake up that we live in a police state and your rights that you used to have, are no longer existent. You will need hundreds of thousands to make an impact statement to get things turned around.
Problem here is that people are not mad enough yet. They can still get food and water and fuel...and Dancing with the Stars. Unemployment is high, but not massive yet. When TSHTF, like it did in Egypt, it will look like Egypt here, but not until then.
One Two...Obamas coming for you.
