Do you think OWS is sending the right message here?

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2455917

Cid_B  (1000+ posts)      Fri Dec-09-11 08:17 PM
Original message
Poll question: Do you think OWS is sending the right message here?
 Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 08:19 PM by Cid_B
Occupy Wall Street Launches Hunger Strike Against Trinity Church; Demands Use of Vacant Lot

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From the OWS press release:

New York City—On Saturday, December 3, in Liberty Plaza, we—THE OWS HUNGER STRIKERS—will begin a hunger strike. We are striking to demand outdoor space for a new occupation. We will hold our strike, for its duration, outside at Duarte Square on Sixth Avenue and Canal Street in Manhattan as part of a continued effort seeking sanctuary on Trinity Wall Street’s unused and vacant lot of land. Should we be arrested, we will continue the strike in jail. We are calling on Occupiers across the nation to join us.

This is a call for escalation in response to the escalated levels of government-enacted violence and repression The Occupy Movement has endured over the last few weeks. In cities across the nation, Mayors chose to stifle freedom of speech and the right to assemble by evicting peaceful occupations using illegal and unconstitutional force. Here in NYC, in the middle of the night on November 14, billionaire Mayor Bloomberg used the NYPD to illicitly evict our community from Liberty Square.

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This action could be seen as Occupiers biting the hand that’s fed them: Trinity Church has been letting OWS use its Charlotte’s Place property on Greenwich Street between Rector and Carlisle for WiFi and power sources for over two months. Charlotte’s Place has also held mediation meetings with titles such as “Unlikely Allies: How Can Occupy Wall Street and Wall Street Learn to Hear One Another?“

Laura Gottesdiener, one of the supporters of the hunger strike, clarifies that the strike is in no way to undermine the work Trinity Church has done by letting OWS use their space.

“They’ve allowed us to use facilities, to be part of their services, and have reached out to community to find places for Spokes Council,” said Ms. Gottesdiener by phone. “The hunger strike is an effort to reach out to Trinity Wall Street Church’s community, and especially Rector (Jim) Cooper, who has open say over all the church’s properties, including the open space on Duarte Street, and express the seriousness of OWS needing to have an outdoor occupation.”

http://www.observer.com/2011/12/occupy-wall-street-laun... /

edit : forgot link
Poll result (44 votes) 
Yes - They deserve this property for their use  (22 votes, 50%) Vote
No - They already received space, shelter, power and wi-fi. This is just greedy  (22 votes, 50%) Vote


 

Cid_B  (1000+ posts)      Fri Dec-09-11 09:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. Now that some votes are in...
 I agree with the majority.

These folks seem like the worst negative stereotypes that are out there about OWS.

Take, take, take and nothing but a sense of entitlement.
 

Hater.

Luminous Animal  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-09-11 09:17 PM
Response to Original message
2. It is an empty lot. What could they possibly be taking from the church that would lead one
 to categorize them as greedy.

Cid_B  (1000+ posts)      Fri Dec-09-11 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Their property?

Luminous Animal  (1000+ posts)        Sat Dec-10-11 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. It is an empty lot. What can you take from an empty lot?

Stupid like yours should be painful.

pinboy3niner  (1000+ posts)      Sat Dec-10-11 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. LOL! They're not asking for title...
 They're asking to borrow it temporarily. They're asking to use a vacant lot that is unused.

It sounds like they are demanding to use someone elses property for as long as they want to.

kestrel91316  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-09-11 10:30 PM
Response to Original message
4. Wow. It gets better every day. You REALLY hate OWS, don't you??

pinboy3niner  (1000+ posts)      Sat Dec-10-11 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. You might as well put me down for a Yes, while you're at it
 Your rabid opposition to the Occupy movement is evident from your posts. As kestrel91316 said, "it gets better every day."

But your motives for attempting to undermine OWS mystify me. Ocupy is a diverse movement, and engages in a wide variety of actions--yet you seem to oppose ANYTHING the movement does.

For someone whose avatar signifies a veteran--someone who has sworn to uphold the Constitution--you seem to be remarkably tolerant of assaults upon it.

 

The Constitution allows someone to demand use of someone elses property?

Cid_B  (1000+ posts)      Sat Dec-10-11 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. My veteran status...
 ... doesn't mean that I am immune to seeing the equivalent of a temper tantrum play out on private property.

OWS seems impotent in the extreme to me and frankly it is sad because there are important issues that need to be addressed. Instead, we get this piddly shit and a monstrous sense of entitlement.
 

but but but it is the revolution!!!

TheKentuckian  (1000+ posts)        Sat Dec-10-11 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Spend some time fretting over the sense of entitlement of the predator class and the wealthy
 it seems the handwringing is solely for the "small people".

Cid_B  (1000+ posts)      Sat Dec-10-11 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Actually, fretting doesn't do crap...
 ... as OWS has so eloquently proven. However, actively doing something that makes it worse is something to be noted. As is the case here...

UnrepentantLiberal (732 posts)      Sat Dec-10-11 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. He's a Republican.
 It's a waste of time arguing with him.

Your first tip off was the fact he was making sense wasn`t it? 

Freeloading,useless vermin.

[Freeper]

The Constitution allows someone to demand use of someone elses property?

According to liberals, since the Constitution is a living document, it is just fine to take property from one and give it to another or a group of people, just because they don't have as much.

Once people figured out they could simply vote themselves the wealth from other people, our Republic started dying.

[miskie]

So, the primitives are for their interpretation of 'Separation of Church & State', unless the church has something that they want.... typical.

[jukin]

The Constitution allows someone to demand use of someone elses property?

In fact, it expressly denies it. For lurking DUchebags look at the Third Amendment. Apparently the OWemeS feel that it is perfectly fine for the government to take private property to house the 0gama Regime's troops.