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first Conservative Mayor of London
« on: May 03, 2008, 06:03:37 AM »
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1314825,00.html

Boris Johnson Is London's New Mayor
Updated:02:51, Saturday May 03, 2008

Boris Johnson has beaten Ken Livingstone to become the first Conservative Mayor of London.
 
Boris Johnson victorious in LondonHe thanked the people of London and promised that he would "work flat out to repay and justify your confidence".

When Londoners' first and second preferences were added together Mr Johnson had won 1,168,738 votes; Mr Livingstone 1,028,966.


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The outcome of the London race follows a catastrophic result for Gordon Brown and the Labour Party in local elections across England and Wales.

 
An emotional Ken LivingstoneAfter what he described as a "bad" and "disappointing" night, the Prime Minister's party came third in the share of the national vote.

Labour has lost well over 400 seats in local elections across England and Wales - the Conservatives have gained 300 seats and nine councils




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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 06:37:51 AM »
Just to make sure........ Are conservatives in England the same as conservatives here?  I know in different countries conservative can mean something totally different.
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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2008, 08:04:33 AM »


Nice picture, Ken.
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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 08:17:38 AM »
Just to make sure........ Are conservatives in England the same as conservatives here?  I know in different countries conservative can mean something totally different.

It's not the same. Far right, hard core conservative over there pretty much means Lieberman/McCain. Left means socialist and far left is pinko commie.

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"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."

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http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 10:42:54 AM »
U.K. voters resoundingly rejected the Labour Party in local elections last week. It was no capricious shift, but a citizen revolt against trendy carbon and nanny-state taxes that empower only bad government.

For Labour, it was the worst election in 40 years. In a massive turnout, the Conservative Party took 256 seats in parliament, along with control of 12 town councils and 44% of the vote. Labour and moderate Liberal Democrats got to split the remains, and even the Liberal Democrats ,with 25%, won more than Labour.

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 11:31:41 AM »
Not an expert on the UK's parlementary system.....does this bring down Brown's government, and force an election for a new PM?

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 11:53:56 AM »
Not an expert on the UK's parlementary system.....does this bring down Brown's government, and force an election for a new PM?

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PMs are not elected in the UK, they are appointed by the Queen, who must appoint the leader of the party with the largest amount of support in the house of commons.
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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 11:57:28 AM »
Not an expert on the UK's parliamentary system.....does this bring down Brown's government, and force an election for a new PM?

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PMs are not elected in the UK, they are appointed by the Queen, who must appoint the leader of the party with the largest amount of support in the house of commons.

Back to my original question.....if the conservatives picked up 256 seats in Parliament, was that enough to bring Brown's ruling coalition down??

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 12:16:25 PM »
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In Britain, the burden was intolerable. Labour has savaged the poor, battered Brits with tax after tax, pushing the government's tax-take to its highest level ever.

At a time of high oil prices, Labour taxed motor fuel and, for good measure, threw on a $16 daily "congestion tax" in the city of London. It also made a $5 billion raid on company pensions, which had been the best of Europe, and left British pensioners poorer.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown also imposed a 10% payroll tax that was so ill-received it drove angry fishmongers in the Labour stronghold of Bury (now turned Tory) to yell "Brown Out" until the tax was withdrawn.

In London, green taxes were tacked onto everything from renewable-energy schemes to plastic bags. This month, Londoners are bracing for a $50-a-day tax to be slapped on those driving SUVs or luxury cars.

Labour officials were amazingly clueless about the burden these green taxes placed on ordinary Britons and merrily proposed more.

"If someone drops litter, they should be arrested," Livingstone threatened during his campaign, thinking his resolve would impress rather than infuriate voters with its ecologically correct pettiness in a city otherwise awash in real crime.

Liberals always think normal people will just fold their hands and say, "Well, this is my life now - this is what I will pay". 

Liberals never think their anti-human policies will cause or allow a revolt.  In the liberal mind, people will just accept and adjust. 

It is this kind of liberal tunnel vision that is causing the Great Business Bleed in liberal-run states like California.  It never occurs to a liberal that people and businesses aren't nailed down.  They can and will move away to escape liberal arrogance and stupidity. 

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 03:49:32 PM »
Not an expert on the UK's parlementary system.....does this bring down Brown's government, and force an election for a new PM?

doc

No, these were local electons, not national ones.

Since a prime minister is free to call for a national election any time he wishes--but it must be at least once every five years--and one imagines the results of local elections might influence some sort of decision.

Probably not in this case.

But generally, this is as if the Democrats controlled Congress here, and (God forbid) the White House were Democrat, and Republicans won nearly all major city, county, and state races all across the board.
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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2008, 03:43:01 AM »
Not an expert on the UK's parlementary system.....does this bring down Brown's government, and force an election for a new PM?

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No Doc, these were local elections for councils to run towns and counties across the country, and the most high profile election was for Mayor of London.  However such was the scale of the disaster for the Labour party that many within the Labour party are thinking it is time for a new leader, simply because they are staring defeat at the next general election in the face.  This has been a political story of epic proportions here and as you can imagine there has been acres of newsprint, but this encapsulates the mayoral effect nicely linky


The lefty meme is that Boris is a racist buffoon who in incapable of being a serious politician.  Does this ring a bell?
The invective culminated in this article in The Guardian newspaper, yes we now have Boris Derangement Syndrome.

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Ach. That floppy hair, and that sodding bicycle. Has any man ever before managed to persuade such a huge number of people that he was a decent chap on two such flimsy, trivial, irrelevant, modish pieces of ephemera?

Never mind what a laughing stock we'd be, internationally, if we elected Boris Johnson as mayor. Never mind what a mess he'd make of the whole thing, how unproven he is in anything beyond having a big gob, never mind that if we think Ken Livingstone lives high on the taxi hog, God alone knows what this moneyed creep would get up to. Never mind all that for the moment. Let's just concentrate on this myth of his being a nice guy. He is not a nice guy.

Two mistakes we make about Boris: the first is that, because he says "unacceptable" things, then he must be honest; he must be outside the airless bubble of PC. This is bilge. He is no more honest than any other philanderer before him. He has lied flagrantly, flamboyantly, to save his marriage, and given how little else he's prepared to do for it, one must conclude that he doesn't put a very great premium on telling the truth. So if he gives out these apparently harsh truths about gay people or Liverpudlians or the people of Congo, it is not because the fire of truth burns so brightly within him that he can't snuff it out. It is because he genuinely despises these people. He despises gays and he despises provincials (you are all right with Boris if you come from Liverpool but don't sound like a Liverpudlian. Once you've been to public school, then you are from postcode POSH), and he despises Africans. He despises them, and he despises those of us who would hold such judgments to be bigoted and inhuman.

Am I being unfair? Let's recap - he pooh-poohed gay marriage with an assessment that was actually pretty droll, but contained within it, of course, total derision for the outlandish idea that you might be homosexual and also have feelings of love and permanence. "If gay marriage was OK - and I was uncertain on the issue - then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men; or indeed three men and a dog." OK, at this point, maybe he's just saying it for a laugh. Maybe he doesn't mean it. That would be fine, except he does mean it. As recently as 2000 - he wasn't just some young man in a hurry, trying to make a point about Clause 28 to curry Thatcher's favour - he was on about "The essence of that Tory case is unchanged ... it is more sensitive to spare parents' anxieties than to allow leftwing local authorities to waste taxpayers' money on idiotic and irrelevant homosexual instruction." Irrelevant homosexual instruction? He would have us believe that, conversely, the Labour party wants children to give up maths and concentrate on gay sex? Come on! He has all the mendacity, the slyness, the patronising sleight of hand that the Daily Mail spews out, only he doesn't seem so outright unpleasant, because of ... that sodding hair and that poxing bicycle.

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and the article is followed by a number of people who feared change commenting. E.g.

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Vivienne Westwood
Fashion designer

"Boris as mayor? Unthinkable. It just exposes democracy as a sham, especially if people don't vote for Ken - he's the best thing in politics. Unthinkable

Bonnie Greer
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"Boris Johnson in the role of mayor would feel like being trapped on the set of The Wizard of Oz minus the soundtrack and the Technicolor. His election would be the ultimate triumph of the Kensington and Chelsea gulag and the Bullingdon Ascendancy. Please, London. I moved from New York City, for God's sake, to live among you. Don't choose the clown!"

Arabella Weir
Actor and writer

"I will go on hunger strike and throw myself in front of the next horse at Ascot if he wins. Failing that I was going to say I'll sleep with him, but he'd probably say yes. So instead I'll chain myself to the railings of his house. And then I'll move out of London. How do we trust a guy who says he knows about London, when he's just taken three of his kids out of state school and put them into private schools? That's a man in touch with the people. He's loathsome. He's everything that's wrong with the upper classes at their worst. Limited, pompous, without any breadth of vision or sense of inclusion. But I don't even think he thinks he's up to the job. He said it for a laugh, is my guess, and now he's got to go through with it."


The comments by readers following this and many other such articles after the result was known show not only the loathing of the left of those who voted for Boris, but also the counterproductive effect of such bile in that a fair few people were persuaded to vote for Boris simply because of the hysterical quality of the opposition to him.



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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2008, 11:13:24 AM »
Thanks Bijou.....wonder why we have heard little about this on our side of the pond......if the Guardian hates this guy, he must be OK........

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 02:07:15 PM »
Thanks Bijou.....wonder why we have heard little about this on our side of the pond......if the Guardian hates this guy, he must be OK........

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Boris is great, take a look at the global warming article I posted in GD. Also here is his first day ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=563847&in_page_id=1770

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Mr Johnson, sounding more and more like the "old Boris", then accused the media of being full of "pent-up rage" over his professional behaviour.

"You are like some ravening Hyrcanian tiger which has been deprived of its mortal prey — a Johnson blooper."

Hyrcanian tigers used to prowl the shores of the Caspian Sea until they became extinct in the second half of the 20th Century.

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...Later, as he signed up to his new role at London's City Hall – pledging to make the fight against crime his policy priority – he warned that he would not tolerate any opposition within his new administration from allies of Mr Livingstone.



Mr Johnson pledged to scrap plans for a £25 charge for the capital's mostr polluting cars
"If there are any dogs in the manger, I will have those dogs humanely euthanised," he pledged. Mr Johnson, who won with a 53 per cent to 47 per cent margin, will formally receive the seals of office from Mr Livingstone at midnight tonight.
And he joked that the outgoing administration would be frantically trying to cover its tracks.

"Until that time, I imagine there are shredding machines quietly puffing and panting away in various parts of the building, and quite right too. Heaven knows what we shall uncover in the course of the next few days."

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2008, 02:45:35 PM »
I like this man.  He seems to have about the same regard for liberals as I.   

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Re: first Conservative Mayor of London
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2008, 03:51:24 PM »
Well, this mayor seems to be a big improvement over Livingstone and the likes of George Galloway. THe MSM in America has another election that's going wrong for them right now - the London mayoral results are just another positive political sign in Europe. Plus, Boris is a cool name in this scenario, :cheersmate: