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Offline dutch508

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On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« on: November 17, 2011, 11:13:41 AM »
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Wed Nov-16-11 01:15 PM
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 One of the things that I have observed over the last three weeks is the rise of a conflict. No, not with the police, or the authorities, that we know. It is far more subtle, and ironic at many levels. The New Left has no clue what to do with OWS. And the young leaders, rightfully so, (to a point) have said, what have you achieved in forty years? Obviously your methods do not work.

This is a dynamic as old as moses. The young come with all new ideas and damn the old farts know nothing (Remember don't trust anybody over thirty for a very recent example). IN fact, to a point this also happened in the 60s. OWS, I am calling it right now, will split, into supporting groups with differing tactics. In fact, locally that is already happening.

Will the state benefit? No, not really. On the ground you will have (if they succeed) two encampments to police... and one already stretched them thin.

But that is a small conflict I am already seeing. Oh and OWS has been successful with these unconventional tactics. This is also something the new left people from way in the past are scratching heads over. The new leadership, the new-new left... I will have to come with an euphemism that works better, since they are truly not left... has succeeded in three weeks beyond anybody's imagination.

Of course this is something you have to see on the ground, and behind a computer screen you will truly not get.
 


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Vincardog  (1000+ posts)       Wed Nov-16-11 02:02 PM
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6. Please provide a link that proves "violence Drug use and criminal activity" on the part of OWS.
 THe Violence has be by the FASCISTS against OWN and by extension US.

Can it be this stupid? Yes it can.

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)         Wed Nov-16-11 02:18 PM
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10. Alas thank you for providing us the MAIN STREAM media narrative 
 Particularly FOX is bad at this... but you will have to actually get off that couch and go down to your local OWS.

Here is a hint... what was the conversation about before Zucoti? Yes. about the DEFICIT.

What has the conversation switched to? Inequality in all kinds of ways.

This is why they are seen as a threat to the establishment.

Here is anecdotal, but local media (Major outlets) are PISSED. Citizen Journalists are starting to make their work (spreading that propaganda you just posted) that much harder. 


Yes, because the news, photos, dethas, are all lies spread by the Powers That Be... ****ing JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!


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Re: On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 11:16:05 AM »
I dunno why nadin's still campaigning so hard for Top DUmmie of 2011.

It's kind of as if Ronald Reagan was running around the day before election day 1984, trying to harvest some votes, as if he were behind or the race was close, or something.
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Re: On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 11:34:46 AM »
Quote from: dutch508 on November 17, 2011, 11:13:41 AM
Can it be this stupid? Yes it can.

Not stupid. Guarding the narrative.

That would be like saying the Soviet propagandists that retouched photos to remove those who were out of favor were somehow stupid to the past presence of those figures.
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Re: On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 11:49:00 AM »
nadin needs a little lesson in history and political science.

"Left" groups inevitably splinter; "right" groups usually unite.

I mean, come on now--we got the Socialist Party, the American Socialist Party, the Socialist Workers' Party, the Independent Socialist Party, the Socialist International Party, the Democratic Socialist Party, the Socialist Democratic Party, the Socialist Pioneer Party, the Socialist Solidarity Party, the Socialist Party of America, the Socialist Labor Party, &c., &c., &c.

The Top DUmmie of 2005, Dysfunctional American, belongs to one of them, but I forget which one; it's the Trotskyite one.  He's probably the only member.

If the socialists banded together, they'd manage to elect a city councilman here and there, from time to time.

Surely nadin can't be ignorant of the history of Europe of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Or maybe she can.
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Re: On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 11:50:46 AM »
About the only place I've seen fascists is in Zucchini Park.
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Re: On OWS and dynamics, a seed of multiple heads
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 11:56:29 AM »
That makes total meta-sense, in a Rubicon way.
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