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nadin considers herself a Messican.
« on: September 21, 2011, 12:28:10 PM »
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nadinbrzezinski   (1000+ posts)             Wed Sep-21-11 01:28 AM
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Memory holes
   
So I was looking for info on the Chupadero Massacre in May of 1984... Mexico and Guatemala came THIS CLOSE to an actual hot war. Yes we were mobilized, all kinds of fun.

Yet. it's like it's gone away... there are a few things on the web...

http://books.google.com/books?id=L9BQMYkcb2UC&pg=PA193&...

Most are in spanish...

But if an event where two countries ALMOST went to war can be so throughly scrubbed.

Oh and how close did we come to war? The Mexican Army mobilized reserves... (that included us).. and moved units to the border.

The UN scrambled, both Soviet and American ambassadors called the kids to the office... and my hubby was in the navy and they scrambled out of port... oh the ways... and if you have no idea about this... trust me, you are not alone... I am betting that MOST Mexicans don't remember this either.

George Orwell was good.

Why was I looking for that? Memory sake... fiction... what have you . Oh and photos are gone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1975379

Wait, is she saying that her "hubby" was in the Messican Navy?
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 12:38:13 PM »
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Mexico and Guatemala came THIS CLOSE to an actual hot war.

So what, Nads?     
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 12:59:47 PM »
Takes a lot of willful blindness to be proud of a shitty little country like that.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 01:04:33 PM »
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Sep-21-11 01:18 PM
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9. I was directly affected

 and no, it's almost gone down the memory hole.
That's what happens when you drink contaminated milk.  Memory holes.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 01:05:01 PM »
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Mexico and Guatemala came THIS CLOSE to an actual hot war.

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So what, Nads?

When I was in high school, some people threw rocks at our football bus. Luckily for them, we all stayed on the bus.
We came THIS CLOSE to an all-out rock fight.
The news media ignored the whole thing, but it was a trend.

That rock fight would have been every bit as significant on the world stage as two third-world cesspool countries shooting at each other.
The most serious impact might have been a 10-cent increase on a pound of bananas.

Our rock fight may have altered the following year's football schedule.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 01:07:05 PM »
We were at war with England for about 1/2 day in the 80's.

Those were the good old days when we didn't take shit off nobody. :rotf:

"I fought the battle of Belize all morning long."....any Air Force guys here remember those.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 01:16:06 PM »
Oh, we all remember where we were in May of 1984, when Mexico and Guadelsomething came THIS CLOSE to war.  I was in college.  My roommates and I were visibly shakeny, and needed a stiff drink.   There was to be little or no sleep that night.

Oh that's right, that was Spring Break. 
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 01:19:32 PM »
I do remember protracted little old undeclared shooting wars in Salvo and along the Nicaraguan border then, I even got to play a walk-on part in the latter; there was plenty of real combat going on without worrying about mightabeens.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 02:19:21 PM »
And then she gets schooled.  :rofl:

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 09:30 AM
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3. Perhaps the fault is not Google's, but yours.   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 09:54 AM by MineralMan
I performed the following search on Google:

Mexico Guatemala Chupadero 1984

http://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=U...

I found a wealth of information. The quality of results obtained from Google is largely dependent on the quality of the search terms used. You did not specify what you searched for, so I can't comment. But, the information you're talking about is there and readily available. All you have to do is construct a good search phrase.

It's a mistake to blame Google for the results of an ineffective search phrase.

Edit to add: The Internet is still spotty when it comes to things that were in the news before the Internet existed. That's changing slowly, as more and more news outlets open their archives and make them available. In some cases, though, 20th century pre-Internet events can be difficult to search for. Unless they are the subject of discussion in a time after about 1995, the archives are about the only place you can find information. The earlier an event or situation was in the news, the more careful your search must be. As you discovered, events that happen outside of the United States are even harder. Only by creating a well-constructed search will you find the information you're looking for. Sloppy search terms will get poor results.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 12:33 PM
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4. And perhaps you do not understand
   
but that is ok...

why the personal attacks by the way?

And I did the search in BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

Moreover that is NOT a wealth of info either.

Uh, that search comes up with 3,970,000 hits.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 01:00 PM
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6. There was no personal attack.   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
I provided information that would help in your search, since you apparently didn't find much. That is not attacking. It's helping.

Have a nice day.

I also explained why there isn't more information available on the Internet. That also has nothing to do with you or Google. Google links to web resources, based on what is out there. It does not generate information. It only finds information. If that information doesn't exist, don't blame Google.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 01:19 PM
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10. Whatever, patterns are patterns are patterns
   
You linked ONE MORE hit.

And the images... Processo had plenty ON THE WEB not too long ago.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 01:28 PM
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13. Processo? You know, this incident probably got minimal   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
coverage in the United States in the first place. Since it was pre-Internet, most of those sources were never linked.

I'm sure it is an important thing in the region where it occurred. It may also be important to you, specifically. However, that is not the nature of the Internet. You'll always find the most hits on subjects with the widest interest.

As for your "whatever," you accused me of a personal attack. No such attack was made.

As for missing information where it once was, I suggest you contact the site where that information used to be. Google can't find what has been deleted, you know. That's not what it does. You think there is a conspiracy at work. I think not. This story is an old one, of questionable interest to US internet searchers, and, although it's a pity that you can't find the information you're looking for, I'd imagine no conspiracy is involved.

I did not read any of those links. I'm afraid I have little interest in old incidents involving Mexico and Guatemala. Such things have too little impact on my life for me to spend any time on them. You may have different priorities. In fact, I'm sure you do.

Contact the places the information used to be. Ask them what happened to it. We don't know.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 02:20 PM
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15. Again, what is "Processo?"   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 02:27 PM by MineralMan
Do you mean Proceso (One "s"), the magazine in Mexico? If so, it's inaccessible for any real purposes without a subscription.
Or, maybe you mean the Honduran e-zine.
Or, the e-zine of that name in the Dominican Republic.

It's impossible to follow your lead if you don't bother to provide more information or spell your sources correctly. Help us out here, OK?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 02:22 PM
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17. Major MEXICAN POLITICAL MAGAZINE
   
and I did not expect, why I did the search IN SPANISH, to find much on the US side of the border. I know better. If it happens OUTSIDE the US, it mostly never appears here.

For the record though, the NYT did have a story on this, front page and everything, under the fold, the day after.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 02:30 PM
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18. Ah. Well that's spelled with one "s."   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 02:32 PM by MineralMan
One "s" in Spanish. Two in Portuguese. It makes a difference. I found it, by searching for "Proceso," but had to guess which news source with that name you were referring to. Links are easy. Guessing is hard.

I couldn't search it, either or read anything there.

Time Magazine also did a story on it, back when it happened. What more did you expect to find from a pre-Internet incident that never grew into anything much more?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the reason for your post. Proceso may have dropped those old archives to save money. I don't know. I sure wouldn't ascribe your missing photos to any conspiracy, though, without more evidence. Memory hole? I doubt it. It's just not that big a story this far from the time it happened. I'm surprised there's much of anything about it on the Internet.

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20. And in that we can agree to disagree, fully
   
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22. In what? I said several things.   Updated at 3:13 PM
   
Why bother to start a thread if you're unwilling to cooperate in the discussion? I asked a pertinent question, so I could go and see for myself. Do you not see where the confusion occurred? I like doing research. But...you seem to take anything I say as some sort of attack, so...

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 02:23:55 PM »
It continues  :rofl:

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 02:20 PM
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16. I was looking for a very particular photo
   
as far as journals, of course you will find them in the JSTOR database... they do exist. Work has been done on this.

But what I was looking is the kind of PRIMARY sources that yes, up to two years ago existed on the web. Processo had photos of this online. Processo is kind of a major political mag in Mexico.

I should have saved THAT PHOTO back then.

So yes it has been scrubbed.
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19. Probably just archived
   
Contact the folks at Processo (sp?) and simply ask them where the photos have gone. They are most likely still accessible if you can just find out where to look.
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23. It's "PROCESO!"
   
Here's the link, just in case anyone is bothering to look for it to see for themselves:

http://www.proceso.com.mx /

Do you have a subscription? If not, you can't get to the photo you're talking about there. If Proceso has closed its archives to public view, then Google can't index them. There are many possible explanations for why you can't find a particular photo.

Describe the photo or what its caption might be. It might be found from that.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Sep-21-11 02:43 PM
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24. Why not ask Proceso directly:
   
http://www.proceso.com.mx/?page_id=58

They have a contact page. Link is above.

I doubt anyone here can help you with finding your photo.
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25. You are not worth it
   
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 02:49 PM by nadinbrzezinski
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26. Oh never mind YOU are not worth it
   
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 02:49 PM by nadinbrzezinski
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27. Just trying to help you find the image you're searching for.
   
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28. I have asked for the mods to truly remove this
   
from DU's database, it is truly not worth it.

Truly not worth it at all... whatsoever

Thanks in advance mods.

Translation: Once again the world has seen what an idiot I am so I want the mods to delete this thread.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 02:42:45 PM »
Truly. 

MineralMan was just have cat&mouse fun with her. 
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 02:50:01 PM »
Didn't that dumb bitch say she was Egyptian back when the Egypt stuff broke out and she was trying to boost her cred?


Talk about a lying bitch.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 03:22:26 PM »
Proceso?  Maybe it was just nadin's spelling again and she was looking for this picture.

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 03:28:25 PM »
Quote from: Karin on September 21, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
Truly. 

MineralMan was just have cat&mouse fun with her. 

MineralMan is cool.

My "picture" of him, gotten through the way he paints his self-portrait with words, is that of John Lennon, circa 65 years old, oval wire-rimmed glasses, long grey hair, usually perplexed.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 03:31:30 PM »
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2011, 03:32:51 PM »
"This thread will self-destruct in 30 posts."

Memory holes.  To quote the late, great Beth Ferrari, "lol".
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2011, 03:38:46 PM »
BTW, what's the deal between MM and Nadin?
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2011, 03:40:37 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on September 21, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
BTW, what's the deal between MM and Nadin?

MineralMan thinks nadin's full of herself.

As much as one's loathe to agree with someone from Skins's island, MineralMan's right.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2011, 03:50:40 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on September 21, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
MineralMan thinks nadin's full of herself.

I can't imagine why...

 O-)

Stupid magazine, why can't they spell their title the way Nadin wants them to, anyway?

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 03:54:14 PM »
Even the world's champion googler can come up empty when she misspells her search terms.

This is almost a parenteral moment.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 04:27:39 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 21, 2011, 12:28:10 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1975379

Wait, is she saying that her "hubby" was in the Messican Navy?

She's confused.  What she means is that she's painted Messican soldier figurines before.  And she mobilized them on her coffee table or something.  Who knows.  She might have been in the Messican army or navy herself, servicing all of those Messican privates.
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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM »
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I have asked for the mods to truly remove this from DU's database, it is truly not worth it.

Truly not worth it at all... whatsoever

OH NO!!!! You can't remove it!!  What's going to happen years from now when someone goes to reseach the spat between nads and MM about the picture from the Mexican magazine Proceso that was scrubbed only to find out that the nads/MM spat was also scrubbed?  The DU mods are playing with fire.

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 04:39:49 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on September 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
OH NO!!!! You can't remove it!!  What's going to happen years from now when someone goes to reseach the spat between nads and MM about the picture from the Mexican magazine Proceso that was scrubbed only to find out that the nads/MM spat was also scrubbed?  The DU mods are playing with fire.

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2011, 04:43:53 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on September 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
OH NO!!!! You can't remove it!!  What's going to happen years from now when someone goes to reseach the spat between nads and MM about the picture from the Mexican magazine Proceso that was scrubbed only to find out that the nads/MM spat was also scrubbed?  The DU mods are playing with fire.

You know, sir, this demonstrates the squalid insecurity of the primitives.

Not only nadin, but the primitives in general.

The primitives, being human (or nearly so), err once in a while, and say something really stupid.

franksolich once in a while says something really stupid.

The difference being, the primitives get all ashamed and red-faced and embarrassed, and want their stupidity erased, as if it never happened, while franksolich has the attitude, "Okay, that was stupid, but I'm human and God forgives, so whatever.  Accept, adapt, and move on....."

As much as I've said around here, which undoubtedly includes a great many stupid things, I've never ever asked that something of mine be deleted.

It's the difference between squalid sordid greasy insecurity and defiant confidence that God forgives all.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: nadin considers herself a Messican.
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2011, 04:46:48 PM »
Ha!  If you Google "Processo", the first entry goes to the website for "Proceso".  It's even spelled correctly.
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