this is funny to nadin

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1957131

Oh my.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 02:28 PM
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Booted frequent flier takes on airline

Can complaining too much get you booted from a frequent flier program?

It's one of the questions at the heart of a lawsuit filed against Northwest -- now owned by Delta Air Lines -- by S. Binyomin Ginsberg, a rabbi who lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and frequently travels to lecture and teach.

Ginsberg joined Northwest's WorldPerks frequent flier program in 1999 and reached Platinum Elite status in 2005.

But in June of 2008, Ginsberg said a Northwest representative called him and told him his status was being revoked "on the ground that he had 'abused' the program," according to court papers.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/16/travel/frequent-flier-com...

Ok this is funny to me

gristy (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 02:44 PM
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1. I guess I'll side with Northwest on this one.

They simply decided his business wasn't worth the trouble he causes.

Coyote_Bandit  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-17-11 02:47 PM
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2. I'm guessing that he's either got a starving lawyer desperate for any work or is paying more in legal fees than he would have saved in travel expenses - and got by complaining.

Zax2me (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 02:54 PM
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3. This guy is out for exploiting the system.

To the detriment of consumers who want honest rewards and aren't looking to find loopholes.

WHY does someone who sent 24 complaints in 8 months still fly the airline?!

"I don't think I was a frequent complainer," Ginsberg said.

Riiiiiiight.....

You find in necessary to file, what - three in 5 years, that sounds like enough to drop and find another airline.

I feel bad for in-flight attendant personnel, who have to deal with this prick on so many flights.

Could imagine the complaints flying left and right from such a narcissistic person.

Sounds like a primitive to me.  One wonders what the rabbi's name is, on Skins's island.

saras  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-17-11 02:58 PM
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4. "Abuse" - he complained when they lost his luggage. His complaints were all legitimate.

Two things got him booted - he kept on complaining, not accepting that losing luggage is "the new normal", and he asked for compensation proportionate to what it cost him, which was more than the airline's "guidelines". I'm with him 100%.

[delilahmused]

Okay, I think we truly are in our last days...the DUmmies are siding with the evil corporation.

Cindie

[thundley4]

Okay, I think we truly are in our last days...the DUmmies are siding with the evil corporation.

Cindie

They only side with the corporation in this case because the complainant is a Rabbi, in other words, A JOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[JakeStyle]

I was told today in no uncertain terms that I am no longer welcome at nadins crappy blog.

And the personal attacks continue... kid I have the power to remove your ramblings by the way.

Go back to the cave where you came from. You really belong THERE not in polite company.

Damn you guys are predictable... shoo...

Actually... time to use the god given right to remove your attacks

I actually never attacked her personally but merely provided links and news articles that were at odds with her position.  I tried to zing her with a parting shot, but it's kind of lame because I was typing on the fly and I wasn't sure if I would make it before the ban hammer fell.

It must be a personal attack because I disagreed with and provided evidence?
Tell me again how your experience as an EMT in TJ makes you an expert in global politics, I really want to know. Did you have to write a thesis for your MA in History from SDSU? And if so, was it written in the same fractured, disjointed spanglish that you use on your crappy blog and at DU?
One more thing to add before I retreat to my cave; wake up you self involved jerk and give your poor, long-suffering husband a break. The former QMC busts his ass to put shelf stable milk on the table and all you do is watch MSNBC and post on DU. For the love of God, put your giant ego away and act like a human being.

[franksolich]

I was told today in no uncertain terms that I am no longer welcome at nadins crappy blog.

You know, heretofore I hadn't had the slightest interest in signing up, given my rule about not bothering with primitives when they're not on Skins's island.

Well, damn.  Now I'm contemplating it, because I need new material for "the secret diaries of nadin."

We'll see. 

[JakeStyle]

You know, heretofore I hadn't had the slightest interest in signing up, given my rule about not bothering with primitives when they're not on Skins's island.

Well, damn.  Now I'm contemplating it, because I need new material for "the secret diaries of nadin."

We'll see. 

If you do I suggest you use the username of a prominent DU're, it will overload her few remaining brain cells.

[franksolich]

If you do I suggest you use the username of a prominent DU're, it will overload her few remaining brain cells.

I think I would use the screen-name of my mole on Skins's island.

[franksolich]

If you do I suggest you use the username of a prominent DU're, it will overload her few remaining brain cells.

I decided to stick with my boundaries, those of observing the primitives on Skins's island and nowhere else.

If nothing else, a gentleman must treat a woman as a lady, even if she is no lady.

nadin can take off her paranoia cap; franksolich isn't going there.

[vesta111]

I am trying to find a same as to this story.

Seems when one signs up for frequent flier miles this is a contract, you fly the airline and received points.  Contracts cannot be changed with out both party's agreeing to the change.

Any violation of the contract by eather party may mean breaking the contract but the one that breaks the contract cannot benefit from it.

So this family had a contract with an airline that in fact offered a trade, you fly us and you will get frequent flier miles.   When one fly and buys a ticket they expect to get from here to there safely and their luggage with them. When the airline cannot deliver their promiss to do so, a complaint is in order.

To try to cancel this contract for anything but illegal activity or show harm to the airline is in itself illegal.

One cannot cancel a contract because the other is a pain in the ass and expects them to live up to their part of the contract.

This family lived up to their part of the contract, the airline did not do so by loosing luggage and sub-par service. The family complained but so do thousands of others.

The value of the frequent flier miles is huge, the family earned them, to take them away is corporate theft.
 

[JohnnyReb]

I was told today in no uncertain terms that I am no longer welcome at nadins crappy blog.

Have you not been thrown out of better places than that before?......

You just ain't never lived until you have.

[JakeStyle]

I decided to stick with my boundaries, those of observing the primitives on Skins's island and nowhere else.

If nothing else, a gentleman must treat a woman as a lady, even if she is no lady.

nadin can take off her paranoia cap; franksolich isn't going there.

Good call, Frank.

[GOBUCKS]

If nothing else, a gentleman must treat a woman as a lady, even if she is no lady.

Oracles don't have a gender.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I am trying to find a same as to this story.

Seems when one signs up for frequent flier miles this is a contract, you fly the airline and received points.  Contracts cannot be changed with out both party's agreeing to the change.

Any violation of the contract by eather party may mean breaking the contract but the one that breaks the contract cannot benefit from it.

So this family had a contract with an airline that in fact offered a trade, you fly us and you will get frequent flier miles.   When one fly and buys a ticket they expect to get from here to there safely and their luggage with them. When the airline cannot deliver their promiss to do so, a complaint is in order.

To try to cancel this contract for anything but illegal activity or show harm to the airline is in itself illegal.

One cannot cancel a contract because the other is a pain in the ass and expects them to live up to their part of the contract.

This family lived up to their part of the contract, the airline did not do so by loosing luggage and sub-par service. The family complained but so do thousands of others.

The value of the frequent flier miles is huge, the family earned them, to take them away is corporate theft.
 

Aside from the fact that everything you say about contracts is either wrong or that the ways to avoid them are part of any professionally-written contracts boilerplate, FF miles are either valued at zero or some minimal amount like half a cent per by every program that awards them, and unless theirs are zero-value, they could get rid of him by either cashing him out or making them transferable to another airline's program.

It sounds like he had one legitimate complaint, but found out he got a complimentary good will freebie every time he wrote them about it, so he just kept cranking the handle on the complaint machine.