http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1954912Oh my.
Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus, the High Priestess of Moloch to the primitives, the non-monickered equine, the quality-control inspector of male parts, &c., &c., &c.
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-16-11 11:32 PM
Original message
Getting recalled part replaced on car at dealership today.* Fux Snooze was on and I heard something that made my blood curdle.
Expected to come out of the "Super Committee"...extensive tax reforms that couldn't be passed by Congress alone.
So, this is how they are going to do it?
BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-16-11 11:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. Doesn't sound good, does it?
The minute I heard the term "Super Committee" my blood ran cold.
Say good bye to even the sham of three branches of government to assure checks and balances of power.
pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-16-11 11:42 PM
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2. "...couldn't be passed by Congress alone"?
I'm not sure what that means. Anything reported by the "Super Committee" still must win passage by both houses.
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-16-11 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. They were talking mainly about the committee giving political cover to the other members of Congress.
I guess basically by saying that they didn't have a choice. It was part of the bill and couldn't be changed. If they didn't pass it, old people would be cut off of SS.
Perhaps THAT is the reason the trigger was put in there?
pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-16-11 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I think you're right
That's why it was designed that way. But it remains to be seen whether or not that scheme will work as intended.
TheWraith (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. No. There are NO cuts to Social Security in the "triggered" cuts. NONE.
Really, people need to get the details on this. There's a LOT of false information and false assumptions going around.
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and ANY spending which is means tested, are exempt from the triggered cuts, with the sole exception of a reduction in payment rates for Medicare providers. In other words, slightly lower payments to hospitals and medical supply companies.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 09:05 AM
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11. The Trigger doesn't touch Social Security
It essentially cuts military contractor payments in half and accelerates a lot of the Medicare cost controls that are already scheduled to be rolled out as part of health care reform.
dmr (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 12:11 AM
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5. Seems to me the way they're going to use this committee would be unconstitutional.
It's it similar to adding a 4th branch of government, where it takes away the responsibility of Congress?
Doesn't this mean taxation without representation?
TheWraith (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. How do you imagine that?
The deficit committee does nothing a conference committee doesn't do: put together a bill and submit it for a vote by the full Congress.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. It's explicitly Constitutional
The Constitution allows both chambers to establish their rules and committees; why is this any different?
quaker bill (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 06:02 AM
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8. The "super committee" recommendatiion by law gets a straight up or down vote in both houses, no filibusters, no floor amendments. It is a take it or leave it proposition, and it only takes 7 of the 12 members to pass the recommendation and invoke this rule. Who crosses the party divide and in which direction is all that matters at this point.
Recursion (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-11 09:04 AM
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9. Yes, Congress as a whole will never increase revenues, but the committee might
That's why Congress has always used committees like this.
Luckily, Medicare was explicitly put out of the committee's reach, and Social Security won't yield any on-book deficit reduction and so isn't a tempting target.
*Now remember, given that there's a lie in everything Ms. Ed says, she probably wasn't there to have a "recalled part" replaced on her automobile.
She's trying to paint the picture of greedy corporations who make shoddy parts and cause their customers a great deal of trouble and inconvenience.
Ms. Ed does that all the time.
Probably what
really happened was that she burned out the cylinders from not watching the oil, or let the power-steering fluid run low, or some other act of negligence on
her part.
Remember, Ms. Ed is the biggest liar on an island notorious for big liars.
