I am not rich, yet I am a JOB CREATOR!!!!

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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Sep-16-11 09:54 AM
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I am not rich, yet I am a JOB CREATOR!!!!
   
I never realized this. Imagine that? Let me explain. I own a home in a gated community which has a Home Owners Association. We have a community clubhouse and restaurant. We have a private golf course. In order to run all these facilities, a lot of people have to be EMPLOYED. Jobs have been created for cooks, waiters, cleaning help, receptionists, accountants, golf course personnel, landscapers, etc, etc. This community employs at lot of people. Has a rich person, making profits, created all these jobs? Absolutely not. Several hundred homeowners through their association dues are creating these jobs and paying these workers salaries. The HOA does not make profits from this "business". This community is a non-profit entity, and very, very few of us homeowners are RICH.

Yep, only RICH people (or bad government) create jobs.

Compared to some of the misfits on DU this person is rich but is too ignorant to realize it.

[Odin's Hand]

cali  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-16-11 11:06 AM
Response to Original message
4. ugh. gated communities. and what you're creating are most likely low
 paying service jobs. and please don't tell me that the people in your community with its private club house and golf course aren't rich. Creating jobs my ass. What self-serving privileged shit.

And a bitchslap from the "have-nots" gallery!

[Ralph Wiggum]

Several hundred homeowners through their association dues are creating these jobs and paying these workers salaries. The HOA does not make profits from this "business".

WRONG!!!!

Your HOA dues have nothing to do with creating jobs for the country club, you idiot.

The dues go for maintenance of the property.  The members of the PRIVATE club pay for all the salaries of the cooks, grounds crew, waiters, bartenders, etc.

And I didn't google this ala Nadin - I used to be the treasurer of my country club.

[JohnnyReb]

Hell, free government housing creates more jobs than rich bitch and friends do.

Think about it a minute.

[Texacon]

HockeyMom (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-16-11 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #4

13. Ok I will give you another example
 
I used to work at NON PROFIT agency for the developmentally disabled. Was the founder of this agency a rich person? She was a nun who left the convent. Was she or her family rich? Nope. Ok, most of these were LOW PAYING JOBS, BUT people who did this weren't working there to make a lot of money. You cannot put a price on this. No one would have lasted one single day in this field if you didn't care more about PEOPLE than money. Do you think people should be making a lot of money, and profits, off the less fortunate? I don't.

BTW, I was not bragging. I plan to leave here very soon BECAUSE all this means nothing to me. MONEY, and material possessions cannot keep my kids close to me, or give me the 4 Seasons I so want. I will be moving in with my daughter who lives in a basement apartment. I suppose many, many would not understand that all. My choice OVER THIS.

I was bringing up the point of NON PROFITS, and how their idea of for profit businesses is the ONLY way to create jobs.

And for what it is worth, I HATE corporations and small for profit businesses. 

Translation of the 2 bolded portions;

My husband is kicking my ass to the curb and I have no where else to go!

I can out DUmmie you ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!

That's just my take.

KC

[Ralph Wiggum]

We have a community clubhouse and restaurant.

I highly doubt that the community clubhouse & restaurant are running 7 days a week, unless your gated community is unlike anything I've ever seen before.  This sounds like the "clubhouse" at an apartment complex that might get rented out once a month.

You are not creating jobs just by living there, you ****ing dolt.

[franksolich]

Translation of the 2 bolded portions;

My husband is kicking my ass to the curb and I have no where else to go!

I can out DUmmie you ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!

That's just my take.

KC

I'm starting to smell something here.

And it's a pretty big smell.

[Texacon]

HockeyMom (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-16-11 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #11

15. Only rich people are job creators
 
Non-profits do too. That nun in my previous post "employed" several hundred people. This is a RANT against profits, profits, profits.

Yes, the four letter word.  Profit.

Jeeze these folks ....

KC

[Texacon]

I'm starting to smell something here.

And it's a pretty big smell.

LOL.  I think you're right frank.

KC

[Texacon]

WRONG!!!!

Your HOA dues have nothing to do with creating jobs for the country club, you idiot.

The dues go for maintenance of the property.  The members of the PRIVATE club pay for all the salaries of the cooks, grounds crew, waiters, bartenders, etc.

And I didn't google this ala Nadin - I used to be the treasurer of my country club.

You sir, are correct.

KC

[Erasmus]

HOA dues are just like taxes.  They create no new value - just a redistribution, moron.  That money you would have otherwise spent supporting some other part of the economy.  Rich people create jobs because they invest their capital in hopes of producing something of GREATER value than the amount of capital they invest.  HOA's in no way do this.

[Texacon]

Broderick  (1000+ posts)       Fri Sep-16-11 11:32 AM
Response to Original message

17. Must be nice to live where you can keep the
 
rest of us rift raff out. We might soil your lawn, or heaven forbid you have to interact with one of us. If a neighbor invited us over would you say that they are having "one of those people" over?

LOL  What is that Broderick?  Rabble divided?

KC

[Ralph Wiggum]

You sir, are correct.

KC

Well when you know what you're talking about, it is easy to be right. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

rift raff

 

[USA4ME]

HockeyMom

And for what it is worth, I HATE... small for profit businesses.

Wow!  The corner Mom & Pop stores don't stand a chance with this hockey puck around.

I am, however, guessing that the home she purchased in the gated community on a private golf course was all designed and built by small for profit businesses.  The basement she's moving to was probably also built by a small businessperson.

Oh well, guess she'll just have deal with having her life made better by small for profit businesses.

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[Erasmus]

Wow!  The corner Mom & Pop stores don't stand a chance with this hockey puck around.

I am, however, guessing that the home she purchased in the gated community on a private golf course was all designed and built by small for profit businesses.  The basement she's moving to was probably also built by a small businessperson.

Oh well, guess she'll just have deal with having her life made better by small for profit businesses.

.

When she has to resort to streetwalking for $$$, I wonder if she'll still hate small businesses.

[SherryBaby]

And for what it is worth, I HATE corporations and small for profit businesses.  

 

[USA4ME]

HOA dues are just like taxes.  They create no new value - just a redistribution, moron.  That money you would have otherwise spent supporting some other part of the economy.  Rich people create jobs because they invest their capital in hopes of producing something of GREATER value than the amount of capital they invest.  HOA's in no way do this.

I agree on one level.  However on another, I would say the HOA dues paid each year are made to help sustain, and possibly even enhance, the value of the property.  So it could be that by investing a little in upkeep you end up sustaining (or even increasing the value of) a more desirable product for someone to eventully purchase.  But I do understand that's not generally the purpose, but rather an increase in value is incidental to the main objective of maintaining the community.

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[ScubaGuy]

HockeyMom (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-16-11 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #11

15. Only rich people are job creators
 
Non-profits do too. That nun in my previous post "employed" several hundred people. This is a RANT against profits, profits, profits.

No DUmmie, the Non-profit employed those people and the Nun was only the organizer.  I'm sure the non-profit operated on charitable contributions to actually employ those people.

[shadeaux]

She's the one that HATES her Republican husband.  She claimed to be running off to liberal heaven with her sister.  She was skimming money off her husband to do that.

He probably cut her off.  I know I would.  Selfish witch.

[Texacon]

She's the one that HATES her Republican husband.  She claimed to be running off to liberal heaven with her sister.  She was skimming money off her husband to do that.

He probably cut her off.  I know I would.  Selfish witch.

shadeaux, do you have a link to that or can you find one?

Thanks,
KC

[Ralph Wiggum]

I agree on one level.  However on another, I would say the HOA dues paid each year are made to help sustain, and possibly even enhance, the value of the property.  So it could be that by investing a little in upkeep you end up sustaining (or even increasing the value of) a more desirable product for someone to eventully purchase.  But I do understand that's not generally the purpose, but rather an increase in value is incidental to the main objective of maintaining the community.

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That's very well put.  Maintaining the aesthetics of a property, which the HOA dues are paying for, contributes to the upkeep of the property.  Trimming bushes & trees, snow removal, etc.  We had new siding put on all the townhomes in my complex a few years ago, which we paid for by a special assessment.  Still the same concept, but certainly the general dues would not cover that expense.

[shadeaux]

I will look for the thread.

[NHSparky]

That's very well put.  Maintaining the aesthetics of a property, which the HOA dues are paying for, contributes to the upkeep of the property.  Trimming bushes & trees, snow removal, etc.  We had new siding put on all the townhomes in my complex a few years ago, which we paid for by a special assessment.  Still the same concept, but certainly the general dues would not cover that expense.

But on the other side of that, HOA's are, rightly or wrongly, getting a very bad rep with their CCR's and other assorted bullshit regulations.  Given a home I'd have to pay for upkeep on versus an HOA where common areas are taken care of (but I'm still on the hook for my own lot), I'll maintain my own property without the HOA sticking its nose in my business, thanks very much.

Bottom line, in a lot of cases, HOA's make it MORE difficult to resell a home and can actually HURT value.

[md11hydmec]

Actually, the HOA is the business.  She is an investor in that small business. She gets to vote on who runs the HOA, be it a managing company or the homeowners themselves.  It is a non profit, but they have a balance sheet that shows how much they have in the bank and they will run under budget or it won't be long for the world.  As far as the golf course, she's just purchasing services from another company because I guarantee the HOA isn't running the course.  So, she's not a job creator, the HOA, through dealings with other companies helps foster an environment conducive to job growth.