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gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« on: August 09, 2011, 07:39:00 PM »
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=23108&start=150

Well, I didn't think it was going to last, the gigantic primitive staying away from politics.

But once he started politicizing his plight again, he's fair game.

The backstory is that the gigantic primitive had gotten down to 333 pounds, looking fit and trim enough to get a job.  However, he's more worried about the wife Jeanette bringing home the bacon; she applied for a job with a cellular telephone place, but didn't get it.  And inbetweentimes, the gigantic primitive, Jeanette, and roommate Joe moved into a new apartment.

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Ege Bamyasi    
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:40 pm

Location: Las Vegas, NV    

06/26 - 339
07/10 - 337 -2
07/17 - 333 -4
07/24 - 337 +4
07/31 - 343 +6

That isn't a typo, and as far as I can tell there is nothing wrong with my scale.

Two things to consider concerning this:

First, my bowels are still acting really weird. I'm in this pattern where, for as many as 3-4 days, I will only have a small BM here or there. Then, the floodgates open and I'll go as many as 6 times in a single day with huge ones. After that is done I'm left with this feeling like I've been sucker punched in the gut. Then that feeling passes and it's lather, rinse repeat. Truthfully I have always been a little bit like this, but lately it's like the process has gone quantum on me. Right now I'm about to enter the "floodgates open" phase. So, were I to weigh in tomorrow, I would probably be 340 or slightly under. In fact, I will do just that and post the results here.

The other thing is that my muscles are so badly atrophied that there just isn't anything there to really burn off the fat. When I say that I have lost about 180 lbs. doing almost no exercise at all, maybe what I should amend that to is no activity at all. Pain has limited me, and still does, but I am at least to the point now where I can walk indoors on a carpeted floor with reasonable certainty that I won't wear all the skin off my feet and end up with more ulcerations like I almost certainly would in shoes if I had any that even fit properly.

A comparison between 12 years or so ago, and now:

I was about 375 lbs. or so back in 1998, when I decided that I needed to try and get serious about getting in shape, losing weight, and eating better. So, I began walking from the trailer park along the main highway where I lived, up to the (at the time) one and only stoplight in Pahrump, NV, and back. The distance was almost exactly one mile each way. On day one, I made it down to the light and back, and just to push a little extra I walked half the distance and back for a total of 3 miles. By the time I got home, I needed to grip the rail of the little metal stairs up to the door for dear life with one hand, and brace my other hand against the wall just to be sure I could get up three little steps without falling and busting my head open. My legs were literally quivering like Jell-O, and when I got inside I went immediately to the couch and just sat there for a good 20 minutes to get my breath and stop the shaking in my legs. There was only muscle pain for a while, but my joints seemed fine.

The next day I went out and did it again, and by the end of the first week I was up to two complete trips to the light and back. Six days a week I kept doing this, and I built my distance up to an average of 6 miles per day and a maximum of about 9.5, while my weight dropped from 375 to about 302. At that point, I was forced to return to Vegas for work and the onset of major depression led to me giving up on all that hard work. Sucks, doesn't it?

Now just today. I gave it my all and walked laps around the living room and kitchen for 30 minutes. My legs had that rubbery feeling after only 20 but I put in that extra bit with the old adage, "no pain, no gain" in mind. The muscle fatigue has mostly abated now that I've been typing for a while, but my knees, hips and lower back are all screaming in pain and much of this is joint pain instead of muscle pain.

Now, I'm determined to fight to rebuild my atrophied muscles, to the point where I can function as close to normally as possible (and in the hopes that my feet will heal enough to make wearing some of my old shoes plausible again). I believe that this will be the only way I can continue losing weight at a regular clip without limiting my calorie intake to a point which could be harmful. Living with a very low income and no access to medical care has me terrified of causing myself some sort of serious injury, but my rational mind accepts the fact that there's simply nothing else I can do at this point. I'm up against a brick wall that will only come down with major effort on my part which ideally would involve the help of doctors and physical therapists. But bitching about this epic flustercluck of a medical system we have here in the US (we're now 37th in the world in overall health care and 50th in overall life expectancy, while in many counties -- mostly rural -- women have had their average life expectancy drop in recent years), while certainly cathartic, isn't going to get me where I need to be.

So, with that all having been said, I'll be pushing as hard as I think I can get away with to accomplish something every day towards a decent level of rehabilitation. Today was my first half hour, and there may be more if I can get myself moving again. And the rest of this weight is coming off whether it wants to or not.

And then this, from another member over there, pointing out something that of course the gigantic primitive had known a long time ago.  The gigantic primitive's been riding on the social security disability gravy train for a long time now, first-class.

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With your medical problems you are surely eligible for Social Security Disability. That would make you eligible for Medicare too after 2 years (but the 2 years are retroactive to the date SS determines you became disabled, I believe up to one year lookback).
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 07:46:29 PM »
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Now just today. I gave it my all and walked laps around the living room and kitchen for 30 minutes.
Be still my beating heart.  Get out of the house, fatty.

Cut your intake to 1500-2000 calories and walk 2-4 miles a day.  Drink plenty of water.

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 07:48:07 PM »
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Right now I'm about to enter the "floodgates open" phase. So, were I to weigh in tomorrow, I would probably be 340 or slightly under. In fact, I will do just that and post the results here.



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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 07:52:24 PM »
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With your medical problems you are surely eligible for Social Security Disability.

So...you can eat your way into a public meal ticket? A lardass pension?
Maybe Li'l Ava's otherwise wasted time in New York will qualify her for a lifetime income after all.

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 07:56:58 PM »
Be still my beating heart.  Get out of the house, fatty.

Cut your intake to 1500-2000 calories and walk 2-4 miles a day.  Drink plenty of water.

It may take you all damn day to do it, but you have to start somewhere.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 07:57:01 PM »
Yes, politics, depression, that mean disapproving glance from the mailman...surely there is some reason for your elephantine weight besides your own simple, total lack of discipline.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 09:06:12 PM »
From the length of that post, I swear he's the pittsters rectal tumor.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 09:16:57 PM »

So...you can eat your way into a public meal ticket? A lardass pension?
Maybe Li'l Ava's otherwise wasted time in New York will qualify her for a lifetime income after all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as the social security disability gravy train isn't anything with which I've had personal experience.

It used to be that being an alcoholic got one a free ticket to ride the gravy train, right?  But then that was changed sometime during the administration of the Impeached One 1993-2001, and that's no longer the case, right?

If that's no longer the case, to be consistent and fair, other "disabilities" gotten by bad life-style choices shouldn't give one a ride on the gravy train, either.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 07:51:39 AM »
Oh but he's depressed.  That's why he had to "give up" the hard work in Las Vegas. 

I don't know all the ins and outs of the disability gravy train either, Frank.  I do know that there are some alcoholics who are currently on it, maybe they were grandfathered in or something.  I know that there some ADHD people on it.   ::)

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 08:22:46 AM »
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I gave it my all and walked laps around the living room and kitchen for 30 minutes.

Which means you never get your heart rate up to the 65-70 percent of max range needed for fat burning, and if he feels "fatigued", hey, the kitchen and fridge full of food is RIGHT THERE!  Genius!
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 08:38:19 AM »
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Now, I'm determined to fight to rebuild my atrophied muscles, to the point where I can function as close to normally as possible (and in the hopes that my feet will heal enough to make wearing some of my old shoes plausible again). I believe that this will be the only way I can continue losing weight at a regular clip without limiting my calorie intake to a point which could be harmful.

Uhhh, you CANNOT out-train a piss-poor diet, period.  That two mile walk?  Burned 300 calories at most for someone his size.  Which I'm sure he completely offset with the first two sodas he drank when he finished the walk.  

It's laughable that he would think he was cutting calories back to a "dangerous level".  He's already eating a diet that is at a dangerous level, or he wouldn't be that big.  At his size, he'd lose weight on a 2,500 calorie diet for a good long while.

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 08:53:28 AM »
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I'm in this pattern where, for as many as 3-4 days, I will only have a small BM here or there. Then, the floodgates open and I'll go as many as 6 times in a single day with huge ones.

Is there a way that I could un-read that? :banghead:
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 09:19:15 AM »
Is there a way that I could un-read that? :banghead:

Oh, you want to purge it from your memory, too?

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 09:29:53 AM »
Uhhh, you CANNOT out-train a piss-poor diet, period.  That two mile walk?  Burned 300 calories at most for someone his size.  Which I'm sure he completely offset with the first two sodas he drank when he finished the walk.  

It's laughable that he would think he was cutting calories back to a "dangerous level".  He's already eating a diet that is at a dangerous level, or he wouldn't be that big.  At his size, he'd lose weight on a 2,500 calorie diet for a good long while.

Also, if he has gained 10 pounds over two weeks then his calorie intake is so far above where it should be that the idea of dangerously restricting his diet is ridiculous. 

I realize that at his size, vigorous activity is likely to be uncomfortable, but has he considered joining a pool?  Around here, YMCA memberships are scaled based on income, so I'm sure that Las Vegas must have something similar.  Walking in a pool might provide the essential exercise while helping support his weight so that his joints don't have to bear all the weight.  What happened to his stationary bike?

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 09:40:47 AM »
Also, if he has gained 10 pounds over two weeks then his calorie intake is so far above where it should be that the idea of dangerously restricting his diet is ridiculous. 

I realize that at his size, vigorous activity is likely to be uncomfortable, but has he considered joining a pool?  Around here, YMCA memberships are scaled based on income, so I'm sure that Las Vegas must have something similar.  Walking in a pool might provide the essential exercise while helping support his weight so that his joints don't have to bear all the weight.  What happened to his stationary bike?

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This is true.  His BMR is probably pushing 3,000 calories per day.  Some of the 10 was likely more water weight, but geez. 

He's probably drinking sodas, not water.  He is likely chronically dehydrated and is likely headed for diabetes (if he's not already there).  Between the dehydration and undoubtedly a lack of fiber, he's having gastrointestinal issues (similar to Barney Frank's).  At this stage in the game, he needs to cut calories, drink about a gallon of water a day, and start some type of physical activity.  His liver is having to pick up the slack from his underhydrated kidneys, thus further impairing the fat metabolizing function of his liver.

He'll go for 300 calorie walks and wonder why he's still gaining weight, then he'll give up and put on another 10 pounds.  He could lose 100 pounds by calorie restriction alone (which is not dangerous, as he implies) without even exercising.  He could start exercising (lifting weights) somewhere around 300 pounds and it would be all downhill from there.

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 10:00:52 AM »
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I'd say he's eating over 3500 calories on some days.


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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 10:04:03 AM »
Also, if he has gained 10 pounds over two weeks then his calorie intake is so far above where it should be that the idea of dangerously restricting his diet is ridiculous.  

I realize that at his size, vigorous activity is likely to be uncomfortable, but has he considered joining a pool?  Around here, YMCA memberships are scaled based on income, so I'm sure that Las Vegas must have something similar.  Walking in a pool might provide the essential exercise while helping support his weight so that his joints don't have to bear all the weight.  What happened to his stationary bike?

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He's a prime candidate for gastric bypass, but even then he's got to get out and EXERCISE at some point.

And he SHOULD be able to get a better workout on either a stationary or elliptical than just walking around his living room.  But lay off the freakin Gatorade!

ETA: GAINED 10 lbs in 2 weeks?  Assuming that's true, that's a gain of 35,000 calories in 14 days--or almost 2500 excess calories PER DAY.  Assuming that he's burning an average of 2500-3000 (extra because of his size and needs to work harder) then we're talking in some cases upwards of 6000 calories per freakin day.  That's like Thanksgiving Day, EVERY DAY.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 10:16:23 AM »
Ok, I stopped reading at "Small BM". 

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 11:32:54 AM »
Oh, you want to purge it from your memory, too?

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You two could just flush it out of your systems, too . . . :pokingpoop:
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM »
Also, if he has gained 10 pounds over two weeks then his calorie intake is so far above where it should be that the idea of dangerously restricting his diet is ridiculous. 

I realize that at his size, vigorous activity is likely to be uncomfortable, but has he considered joining a pool?  Around here, YMCA memberships are scaled based on income, so I'm sure that Las Vegas must have something similar.  Walking in a pool might provide the essential exercise while helping support his weight so that his joints don't have to bear all the weight. 
He'd be a great swimmer. Those size 15EEEEEEE feet could propel him through the water like a fat Lloyd Bridges. It's like wearing swim fins full time. His problem is no shoes, and the pavement in Las Vegas is too hot to walk barefooted to the Y.

Seems to me he could find something from the fine folks at Rubbermaid, or Tupperware, that could serve as shoes in a pinch.

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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 02:12:09 PM »
All it takes to find anything in any size now is a basic google search.  Mens 6E shoes (which I think is the width he last mentioned) brought up http://http://www.wideshoes.com/ , http://http://www.justwideshoes.com/, and http://www.thewideshoes.com/ as well as many others on the first page of results.  All of them appear to instructions on how to measure your foot for the best fit.  Yes, they are pricy, but one pair of shoes to allow you to go outside to lose weight would be well worth it.

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 02:26:19 PM »
Ok, I stopped reading at "Small BM". 



You're new here, madam, and so I'm sure the gigantic primitive has some shock value for you.

For the rest of us, well, there was that time he mentioned yeast infection.....after which many of us got used to it.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 02:30:18 PM »
Ok, I stopped reading at "Small BM". 




That is too much information for him to be sharing on the internets.  Flood gates?  Really? 


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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2011, 02:31:48 PM »

That is too much information for him to be sharing on the internets.  Flood gates?  Really? 



See my comment just above yours, madam.

Watching certain primitives, one gets enured so such things.
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Re: gigantic primitive blames politics on his recent weight gain
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2011, 02:33:26 PM »
You're new here, madam, and so I'm sure the gigantic primitive has some shock value for you.

For the rest of us, well, there was that time he mentioned yeast infection.....after which many of us got used to it.
Not to mention the inner thigh rash. 
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