primitives looking for reassurance

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1474131

Oh my.

kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:06 PM
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A little reassurance would be nice.

Especially for people living on $7 or $800 dollars per month. How would they live if their income was cut in half? They have good reason to be scared. They hear nothing from their leaders that make them feel any better. They are frightened.

Of course, a lot of other people are scared also. These people have taken our country hostage, nothing less than that. And people are suffering emotionally from their actions and threats. People should be angry.

Brickbat  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:08 PM
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1. But why? It's all part of a lovely, complex game, and the payoff will be so awesome it will be a gotcha like none have seen before.

Or so people say. Kinda like talking about heaven during the Middle Ages. Keep believing, and keep buying indulgences, and things will get better right smart quick! Or at least when you die.

RKP5637  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:17 PM
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5. And some will think if only I work harder I'll be a zillionaire, my turns coming. Yep, it's the American Delusion, NOT the American Dream. Yep, kinda like talking about heaven during the Middle Ages. And the "Pray for Cash" hot lines will be springing up, maybe already have. Maybe if I just send more money to that TV Evangelist. Yep, that must be it ... my turns a coming, maybe if I vote republican.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:10 PM
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2. People should be scared. They really should.

And they should know why they should be scared. President Obama's telling them.

What will be better is to get this shit settled. That's the President's plan.

Mojorabbit  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:18 PM
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6. This is like shifting the goal posts

First is that he never said he would do this, wait and see, it is the press making shit up and now it is well of course we need cuts etc and really we ought to do it now. I think just before the election when Dems had a winning meme that they were going to protect SS and medicare the rug gets pulled out from under them by the President.

gkhouston  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:37 PM
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11. This is like torching the goalposts, with Granny and Gramps tied to them.

dbonds (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:14 PM
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3. The danger in offering the republicans the deal of the century to 'make them look bad'...(assuming that is the motivation - which I'm not sure of), is that you have to really offer them the deal of the century and they may just take it - then we all are ****ed just for a political game.

Maccagirl  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:14 PM
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4. No arguements from me.

Nor from my 93-yr-old mom (who was just watching CNN and now is certain that she won't get her SS next month). I'm waiting for the phone call to tell me when I start my new job and my brother, who's 59 years old, just lost his job last week. It's a terrible terrible time.

RKP5637  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:27 PM
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7. Your post makes a lot of sense as usual. I think a lot of Americans are under a delusion that this country is about us, "we the people." The agenda got rewritten, and this is not an Obama bash. The agendas been being rewritten for several decades now. It's just coming to fruition and we're seeing the impact of it all. This county is NOT about "we the people," it's about them, those 400 hundred or so holding about 50% of the wealth of this country.

The politicians don't run this country, those holding all the cash do. Money rules America, not politicians, except when the two intersect, and anymore politicians hold a fair amount of cash or are indebted to those holding it ...

Problem is, too many of us still believe in the storybook version of America. That book has been rewritten and many of us ain't part of it anymore.

kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:31 PM
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9. Those 400 people have more wealth than the bottom 150 million.

Something is very wrong with that picture.

RKP5637  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:36 PM
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10. It's insane, kentuck. There is no way this can F'en work and be fair. This is stuff one can write down on the back of a napkin and figure out. There is no way this model can work, so we get tons of BS covering it up trying to make it smell like a rose. The whole thing is one giant CF.

TheKentuckian  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:30 PM
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8. How will they live if $5 is cut? How are we supposed to make it to Medicare or Social Security?

What happens to wages by expanding the labor pool with ever diminishing jobs?

How many more stretches of unemployment does this crap make?

RKP5637  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 04:14 PM
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15. I still feel behind closed door about 100 million Americans have been written off as dispensable in the big picture. If one adds up those in poverty, the lower class, the homeless, the uninsured, the disabled, the aged, the sick, the unemployed, those with mental difficulties plus anyone I missed, that's getting to be a lot of people. ... but seriously behind closed doors, I bet this discussion had occurred.

Additionally, the politicians are clueless about what to do than to serve their masters. And if this economy really goes south again what is the fed going to do, lower interest rates, they're already about zero. This gov. has run out of options to stabilize the economy. And none are bringing jobs magically back. Long story short, just about everything not nailed down has been off-shored.

dgibby  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:51 PM
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13. All of my retirement income derives from the Va and SS. I checked my bank account today, and found that I have a deposit pending. That should be the SS check; however, it's for less than 1/10th of what I should be receiving. I have to wait until it posts to make sure it's from SS, then will have to contact them re: the discrepancy.

My stomach was already tied up in knots over the debt ceiling debacle and the possibility of not getting any checks at all. This is just icing on the cake. To say I'm NOT a happy camper would be a gross understatement.

[JohnnyReb]

We're living in the age of Obama...ain't it wonderful, DUmmies?

[franksolich]

We're living in the age of Obama...ain't it wonderful, DUmmies?

Yeah, ain't it loads of fun?

And who can we blame?

[Freeper]

Yeah, ain't it loads of fun?

And who can we blame?

Bush and Cheney of course. 

[zeitgeist]

RKP5637  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 04:14 PM
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15. I still feel behind closed door about 100 million Americans have been written off as dispensable in the big picture. If one adds up those in poverty, the lower class, the homeless, the uninsured, the disabled, the aged, the sick, the unemployed, those with mental difficulties plus anyone I missed, that's getting to be a lot of people. ... but seriously behind closed doors, I bet this discussion had occurred.

Additionally, the politicians are clueless about what to do than to serve their masters. And if this economy really goes south again what is the fed going to do, lower interest rates, they're already about zero. This gov. has run out of options to stabilize the economy. And none are bringing jobs magically back. Long story short, just about everything not nailed down has been off-shored.

I am having a hard time understanding how liberals aren't delighted with this scenerio. 

Obie is taking us back to the 18th century. Wake up dummies this is your dream come true.  Can agrarian reform be far behind?  Grow yer own will take on a whole new meaning.  Social Security will work once again since there will be fewer living long enough to collect.  And global warming?  A thing of the past once you remove a few 100k at a wack.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie says, "dgibby  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:51 PM
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13. All of my retirement income derives from the Va and SS. I checked my bank account today, and found that I have a deposit pending. That should be the SS check; however, it's for less than 1/10th of what I should be receiving. I have to wait until it posts to make sure it's from SS, then will have to contact them re: the discrepancy. "

OK, what has DUmmie done? Did he think he was one of the Obama elite and not pay his taxes? Did he lie about something to get more government money? What has he done that they are garnishing his check?

ETA: Will there be more of this story at eleven?

[DefiantSix]

DUmmie says, "dgibby  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:51 PM
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13. All of my retirement income derives from the Va and SS. I checked my bank account today, and found that I have a deposit pending. That should be the SS check; however, it's for less than 1/10th of what I should be receiving. I have to wait until it posts to make sure it's from SS, then will have to contact them re: the discrepancy. "

OK, what has DUmmie done? Did he think he was one of the Obama elite and not pay his taxes? Did he lie about something to get more government money? What has he done that they are garnishing his check?

ETA: Will there be more of this story at eleven?

On any bank account I've ever had, any pending deposit shows as ($1.00) until it actually posts.  Basically it's the computer's way of holding the deposit's place in the registry until it gets the actual amount when the books are closed for the day.

In other words, either the DUmbshit is getting $100 $10 worth of SS every month (not impossible, but what are the odds) or he's full of shit.  Again. edited to correct faulty math:  The DUmbshit said 1/10th, not 1/100th.

[Ballygrl]

Umm, Obama is lying, SS checks will still go out, this issue doesn't affect that at all, WTF?

[dandi]

Maccagirl  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-12-11 03:14 PM
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4. No arguements from me.

Nor from my 93-yr-old mom (who was just watching CNN and now is certain that she won't get her SS next month). I'm waiting for the phone call to tell me when I start my new job and my brother, who's 59 years old, just lost his job last week. It's a terrible terrible time.

How's that hopey-changey shit workin' out for ya, DUmbass? 

[miskie]

Umm, Obama is lying, SS checks will still go out, this issue doesn't affect that at all, WTF?

Its grandstanding, is all. The talking point will be about how Obama saved the day - kinda like 'saved or created' 

[jukin]

They told me that if I voted for McCain that social security checks would stop coming.  I'm sure it has been posted but this does truly show what a Ponzi scheme SS has been since LBJ took those funds to make the Great Society.

[diesel driver]

Bernie Madoff went to prison for running a Ponzi scheme exactly the way the Fedgov runs Social Security.

[GOBUCKS]

They told me that if I voted for McCain that social security checks would stop coming.

Every Presidential vote I have ever cast was guaranteed to spell the end of Social Security.
The threat is no more true today than it was when Hubert Humphrey and then George McGovern used it against President Nixon.

[DumbAss Tanker]

So make SS all taxable from Dollar One.  Anyone who is truly dependent on a pittance from it still won't be paying anything, and those with better financial plans who aren't primarily dependent on it won't be seriously impacted.  Howsabout that for a fair solution, DUmmies?  I bet your base and the old folks you terrorize wouldn't have a-n-y problem understanding what a fair, rational solution that is!

   

 

[Wineslob]

kentuck  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-12-11 03:06 PM
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A little reassurance would be nice.

Especially for people living on $7 or $800 dollars per month. How would they live if their income was cut in half? They have good reason to be scared. They hear nothing from their leaders that make them feel any better. They are frightened.

The average monthly Social Security benefit for a retired worker was about $1,177 at the beginning of 2011.  This amount changes monthly based upon the total amount of all benefits paid and the total number of people receiving benefits.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/13/~/average-monthly-social-security-benefit-for-a-retired-worker


Try again Kunt****.

[I_B_Perky]

The average monthly Social Security benefit for a retired worker was about $1,177 at the beginning of 2011.  This amount changes monthly based upon the total amount of all benefits paid and the total number of people receiving benefits.

Try again Kunt****.
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/13/~/average-monthly-social-security-benefit-for-a-retired-worker


Try again Kunt****.

I didn't know the bolded. Not that it matters because I'm not planning on SS being there when I hit 68. If I get anything out of it that's gravy.