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Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« on: July 09, 2011, 05:31:07 PM »
Just wondering. Why do Americans have short memory?
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 06:35:18 PM »
Personally , I think it's a matter of...  Um, what was the question again ?

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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:44:08 PM »
I knew the answer to this yesterday, damn if I can remember what it was today though.

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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 08:56:20 PM »
Alexis de Tocqueville had an excellent treatise on this summations of Americans.  I don't have a link handy, but he surmised that America was founded as a country that is always looking forward, never behind.  I suppose 230+ years of that type of behavior can ingrain it into the most stoic psyche.  Combine it with a modern materialistic culture that emphasizes planned obsolescence (ala Alfred Sloan via General Motors et al), vast distances, a poor educational system and (more recently) a fractured society thanks to leftists, liberals, and hippies and their attacks on traditional families and institutions.  Well, there you have it.   

I don't think you're going to find any single answer to your question.  It's more likely to be a combination of influences, experiences, and learned behaviors going back decades and decades if not longer.

Personally, I think it happened when the whole "youth culture" took off after the Madison Avenue advertisers realized they could pander to children and get rich in the process and everything snowballed from there.  I wish someone would put the adults back in charge.
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 09:10:48 PM »
All the replies I have seen are compelling. As usual, I am not looking for one factor and there are many factors.
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 12:22:53 AM »
Just wondering. Why do Americans have short memory?

ummmmmmmmm , I don't understand the question..in relation to what? the past repeating itself, and we still don't remember how to get from point "A" to point "b". Can you please clarify???
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 07:53:14 AM »
ummmmmmmmm , I don't understand the question..in relation to what? the past repeating itself, and we still don't remember how to get from point "A" to point "b". Can you please clarify???

 :lmao: :lmao:

My take on this is not that we have short memory's but that once literacy became a set pattern we began to flood our brains with billions of bits of information from hundreds of sources.

Before reading for pleasure became a fad, most people read the Bible or the news papers.

Back at the start of the Industrial age it may have been Charles Dickens and his storeys printed in the big city's that opened up the brain for imagination.     It was said that when Dickens came to NYC thousands of people met the boat all shouting """What happend to little Nell" ??

Poe, Shelly, Doyle, then the Penny dreadfulls, the western storeys, the public was hooked.

Time became a world wind as new inventions, new knowledge all came at us with a future shock.     Some things were too dreadful to remember and recount to the next generation, the Vanity press was born for those to recount their times in war and peace, most had very small printings, mostly only family were interested.

Political influence stepped in as to the teaching of history in the schools, all the unfortunate or uncomfortable was either omitted or given a different spin. Our teachers did not lie to us, they were only teaching what they themselves were taught, And told to teach.

The controversy still rages for the last 80+ years over the students text books. 

Depending on the news papers and the news Chanel  we watch now, influences from our Churches and peers, all is absorbed.

We have no loss of memory, the human mind has to settle on something to absorb, who in normal life has any idea of the politics of France and who was who that led to the revolt and Bastille Day today?????

It takes the study of one subject to master it, no Historian can speak fluently on the history of China, Denmark and Alaska at any one point in history.----It takes 3 people interested in a date with years of research to speak and recount the time, for each Culture--Specialization.

Those that study the Civil war can seldom be also an expert on the ZULU uprising.

The only people that are just average Joe's and Jane's are the Irish that can go on for hours about the history of their kings and queens, the tales of murder most foul and their hero's.
 
What do they know about how the Panama Canal was built??????

 

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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 08:05:39 AM »
Thomas Jefferson:

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At the age of nine, Jefferson began studying Latin, Greek, and French; he learned to ride horses, and began to appreciate the study of nature. He studied under the Reverend James Maury from 1758 to 1760 near Gordonsville, Virginia. While boarding with Maury's family, he studied history, science and the classics.

At age 16, Jefferson entered the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, and first met the law professor George Wythe, who became his influential mentor. For two years he studied mathematics, metaphysics, and philosophy under Professor William Small, who introduced the enthusiastic Jefferson to the writings of the British Empiricists, including John Locke, Francis Bacon, and Isaac Newton...

Jefferson read law while working as a law clerk for Wythe. During this time, he also read a wide variety of English classics and political works...

By 1815, his library included 6,487 books, which he then sold to the Library of Congress to replace the collection destroyed in the War of 1812.


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How many books does the average american read per year?

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Taking out the 25% of Americans that didn't read a book last year {washington post article), the average is ~15 books a year (per reader). Doing a little bit of math (putting in the zeros and doing an average) we end up with about 9. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101045_pf.html http://writtennerd.blogspot.com/2007/08/link-mad-response-american-reading.html

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_books_does_the_average_american_read_per_year#ixzz1RhtdQ8pF

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Americans Watching More TV Than Ever; Web and Mobile Video Up too

The recent results of Nielsen’s Three Screen Report – a quarterly analysis from Nielsen’s Anywhere Anytime Media Measurement initiative (A2/M2) – show that the average American watches approximately 153 hours of TV every month at home, a 1.2% increase from last year. In addition, the 131 million Americans who watch video on the Internet watch on average about 3 hours of video online each month at home and work. The 13.4 million Americans who watch video on mobile phones watch on average about 3 ½ hours of mobile video each month.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/americans-watching-more-tv-than-ever/

I actually have a co-worker that is upset with our local school system because her son has poor math skills...so the school put him in Basic math courses instead of forcing him to learn higher math.  She doesn't care that the kid can't read because she never reads, it isn't a skill "he needs."   :thatsright:

Why think, read or remember when we can just plop down and ingest whatever crap the media prefers?
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 08:12:29 AM »
I think a lot of it has to do with the "instant gratification" society we have created.  Why read when you can watch the movie or just use cliff's notes for major exams? Why diet and exercise...they have surgery to fix fat now. etc,etc.

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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 08:36:02 AM »
Only 9 books a year?? shat!! I read that amount a month!!
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2011, 09:13:32 AM »
It can be an advantage or a disadvantage, as circumstances vary.  The boldness of youth comes from inexperience with bad consequences and a short memory for pain, while the timidity of age is a product of dwelling too much on all the possible bad outcomes to the exclusion of taking any action at all.
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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2011, 10:15:21 AM »
Just wondering. Why do Americans have short memory?

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Taking out the 25% of Americans that didn't read a book last year {washington post article), the average is ~15 books a year (per reader). Doing a little bit of math (putting in the zeros and doing an average) we end up with about 9.

I can imagine the stats are much different for up here which saddens me. Only 9 a year? And 25% didn't read a book? I'll admit I don't read as much as I'd like too but I still read a minimum of 2 a month and often 3 or 4.

I think a lot of it has to do with the "instant gratification" society we have created.  Why read when you can watch the movie or just use cliff's notes for major exams? Why diet and exercise...they have surgery to fix fat now. etc,etc.

I'd very much agree with this.

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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2011, 11:06:37 AM »
It can be an advantage or a disadvantage, as circumstances vary.  The boldness of youth comes from inexperience with bad consequences and a short memory for pain, while the timidity of age is a product of dwelling too much on all the possible bad outcomes to the exclusion of taking any action at all.

So TRUE, it is often the inexperienced  that find new worlds and explore them with wonder and fascination.-----  Lewis and Clark, what did they know of the wonders they would find???

When the age of space came in, none of our astronauts had ANY experience with space flight, most had family's that needed them yet these men climbed into these ridicules small capsules to ride into space on the tail of an explosive and hope to return to earth.-----Only the slide rule back then no hand held calculators to build the craft and as no one in their parents generation at their age had ever done this.

We went West into the unknown regardless of news of Indian attacks and the loss of hundreds of waggon trains, the old folk were left at home and men woman and children were willing to go forth and face their fate with no knowledge of what they would face, no idea of the climate the terrain or natural hazards floods, drought, tornado's, few dentists, doctors or school teachers. ------Fancy today any of us packing up and taking new born baby's to our teens into that situation.

Why did these people leave the civilisation they were use to, why head out into a new world with their woman and children knowing nothing of what they would face except for the horror story's from those that had been there and now wanted to head East????  A huge amount of people that went east after a while in the city's headed out west again, a place they felt alive in??

Interesting the number of woman and young girls who were kidnapped by different tribes of Indians that killed their family's, when ransomed and brought back to their family members escaped the family and went back to the Tribes that gave them the freedom to marry who they wished and have a voice in tribal matters.    They had more freedom with the tribes then with the mores of civilization.      

Some of the greatest Indian warriors and chiefs were white boys captured by the Indians,
They also at one time had a chance to return to family but as the woman found freedom better to their liking.

Youth and the inexperience and just going on gut action is what put us apart from the rest of the world.     It was not the well educated that formed our country, it was the ignorant youth that by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps with some fear to carry a bible in their pocket and risk all.   Amazing people that built America, built not on  the Educated who knew better, but by the ignorant that knew no better.

God did bless America, our ancestors who were lucky to have a trade went forth and built us to what it is today.

Came down to someone that was educated in 5 different languages but did not know how to load a gun, watch the sky for weather, pay attention to the cattle for water holes, grind corn or hunter gather---these were the first to die.

The Black Smith or Weaver, Tracker or Midwife that knew the uses of plants. these even if unable to read were the most valuable and did more to help Americans then any one person in the safety of civilisation making laws ever did.

We made it to become the greatest Country and People in the history of the world on the back of the young and ignorant, too stupid to fear anything, the law of the west was the Gun and darn if it didn't work.   Hanging Judges and as strange as it sounds the more difficulties we came up with the stronger we got.

Most of the youth today have little difficulty, Government steps in if they do.   Bleeding hearts insure the youth gets all they want at Xmas, few kids are left with just one doll or truck.

Few kids are greatfull for food or clothing or not having to sleep on the floor. More and more they demand, Crap, put some kids in the back of a Conestoga Waggon, wondering each night if the waggon will be attacked, wearing the same clothing for 2-3 weeks at a time, no baths, no makeup, no sun screen.  One will get a total melt down until survival kicks in, a sense of family and belonging beyond the self and their own needs, this is what built strength and backbone in our past today another ball of wax.






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Re: Why Do Americans Have Short Memory?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 02:34:14 PM »
I think a lot of it has to do with the "instant gratification" society we have created.  Why read when you can watch the movie or just use cliff's notes for major exams? Why diet and exercise...they have surgery to fix fat now. etc,etc.

I think you are right.
The politicians use this to their advantage big time.
Just look at 0bama for instance. Originally the health insurance mandate was not a tax (he rejected that notion), then later on the mandate was considered a tax in order to try to make it constitutional. Other than from people on the right, not one word was spoken about this contradiction.
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