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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2011, 04:37:40 AM »
Why is it that the courts work hard to squelch religious speech, but can force every other perversion on us and our children?

Condoms in school? Fine.

Saying "amen"? yeah. not so much.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2011, 06:12:58 AM »
Quote from: seahorse513 on June 03, 2011, 10:31:51 PM
hmmmmmmmm. I  wouldn't have a problem with a religious official(pastor, reverend, rabbi, priest, etc)leading an audience at a graduation ceremony with a general benediction. However, a student saying that her religous beliefs played a big part in her educational achievements is fine as well. If the family wants to have a prayer at her personal graduation party afterwards is fine too. But a student leading prayer at the actual ceremony, yeah i might have a problem with that....That's my personal opinion....
Courts have ruled that schools, teachers and school administrations cannot lead prayers, but there is nothing that says a private student (or any other private citizen) has no right to pray in public, ask others to join them in public prayers, or in any other way have his or her First Amendment rights destroyed in order to avoid offending 1% of the public.  There is no right to avoid being offended, especially for those that choose to be offended by the Constitutionally guaranteed free speech and religious rights of others.  Note, the Constitution does not say that people have a right to "worship as they choose," despite the left's attempt to revise it in that direction.  It quite clearly grants us the right to free exercise of religion and free speech as opposed to the situation the Founders left where the government supported and controlled one "state" church.  In fact, in today's world, the government does support, control, and force upon all it's citizens the beliefs of one "church," the secular humanist, evolutionary church, the religious belief that is crammed down the throats of all public school students.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2011, 06:42:55 AM »
^^^ +1
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2011, 07:09:31 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 04, 2011, 04:37:40 AM
Why is it that the courts work hard to squelch religious speech, but can force every other perversion on us and our children?

Condoms in school? Fine.

Saying "amen"? yeah. not so much.

Why is it that some NYC public schools have rooms set aside for Muslims to pray but Prayer groups by Christians are banned on school property?
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2011, 11:49:42 AM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on June 04, 2011, 07:09:31 AM
Why is it that some NYC public schools have rooms set aside for Muslims to pray but Prayer groups by Christians are banned on school property?

Simple...Christians don't blowup over the trivial shit and start cutting off heads, hands and feet.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2011, 12:34:15 PM »
UPDATE:

Federal Court of Appeals reversed this decision yesterday........

The prayer will be allowed.

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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2011, 04:31:17 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on June 04, 2011, 12:34:15 PM
UPDATE:

Federal Court of Appeals reversed this decision yesterday........

The prayer will be allowed.

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Good.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2011, 06:24:57 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 03, 2011, 11:39:27 PM
Why? Unless the students are REQUIRED to participate, I can see how it would be unconstitutionality, but if they're not, what the hell about that offends you?
I didn't say she couldn't thank God in her speech, that's fine if she wants to thank God for her educational achievements.

I would be somewhat uncomfortable if she said " Please join me on the "Our Father" however.........
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2011, 05:09:18 PM »
Quote from: seahorse513 on June 06, 2011, 06:24:57 AM
I didn't say she couldn't thank God in her speech, that's fine if she wants to thank God for her educational achievements.

I would be somewhat uncomfortable if she said " Please join me on the "Our Father" however.........
And being "uncomfortable" is reason to have a judge order her not to say something?  What if 95% of the crowd would be uncomfortable if she did NOT say it? 
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2011, 05:23:00 PM »
"...and among these rights are life (except the unborn), liberty (as long as you agree with us), and the pursuit of, er, that which doesn't offend anyone."
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2011, 05:25:04 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 06, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
"...and among these rights are life (except the unborn), liberty (as long as you agree with us), and the pursuit of, er, that which doesn't offend anyone."
...except fundies and conservatives.   :whatever:
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2011, 05:28:25 PM »
Let us pray...Oh Great Judge in high office with retirement and healthcare guaranteed forever, we ask your guidance in what to say and do. We ask that you allow us this day to graduate without interference and that you apply the rules with firm and vigorous vengence. So help help us oh mighty Judge, giver of all rights. amen...I mean...aperson.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2011, 05:50:41 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on June 06, 2011, 05:25:04 PM
...except fundies and conservatives.   :whatever:

eh, please don't forget straight white men in general either. :p
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2011, 08:05:01 PM »
I bet if some cavemen/cavewomen, I mean throwbacks, wanted to wash their feet and have some prayer rugs at the ceremony, they would be fully accommodated.
Funny how liberalism runs rampant through our court systems.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2011, 09:53:05 PM »
Quote from: rubliw on June 03, 2011, 01:39:58 PM
If you're officiating a ceremony for a public institution, you simply aren't speaking for yourself.  The judge clearly said the speakers can say whatever they wish about their beliefs, as long as they arent doing so in a manner that makes it appear as if they are speaking for the institution or its members.  Again, seems fair.



The constitution says that congress may make no law respecting an establishment of religion.  A prayer at a high school reunion doesn't qualify as such unless everyone is forced to take part.  If they aren't forced to take part and want to stop everyone else anyway, then I'd say what they're doing is trying to prevent the free expression of the rest of the group.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2011, 12:02:50 AM »
"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2011, 01:05:40 AM »
Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 07, 2011, 12:02:50 AM
"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.

Some liberal, anti-Christian douchebag taking Jesus out of context yet again.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2011, 01:10:06 AM »
Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 07, 2011, 12:02:50 AM
The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.

Uh, no, that would be the Lord Jesus Christ on praying loudly in public to appear virtuous.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2011, 05:57:27 AM »
Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 07, 2011, 12:02:50 AM
"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
Leading the group in repeating the prayer He told us to pray is somewhat different than "babbling like pagans" or praying in order to be seen by others.   ::) ::) ::)

Luk 12:8    And I say unto you, Every one who shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
 Luk 12:9    but he that denieth me in the presence of men shall be denied in the presence of the angels of God.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2011, 08:14:18 AM »
Quote from: wasp69 on June 07, 2011, 01:10:06 AM
Uh, no, that would be the Lord Jesus Christ on praying loudly in public to appear virtuous.

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274

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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2011, 09:42:20 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 07, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274

Notice how liberals constantly trash Christianity, but damnit, those fruitbats are going to defend the Muzzie religion.

Theres a difference between defending the Muslim religion and pointing out what a moron you are. In that case they just happened to overlap.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2011, 09:43:48 AM »
Isn't it past time to ban the troll?
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2011, 09:56:43 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 07, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274

Notice how liberals constantly trash Christianity, but damnit, those fruitbats are going to defend the Muzzie religion.

Leftists are stuck on stupid.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »
Quote from: CG6468 on June 07, 2011, 09:43:48 AM
Isn't it past time to ban the troll?

He insulted me I insulted him back. I see no trolling that took place.
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Re: Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »
Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 07, 2011, 10:16:02 AM
He insulted me I insulted him back. I see no trolling that took place.

Really?  Christianity is the same as Islam?

Oh, please do explain this.  I'm on pins and needles waiting to hear this one.
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