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Bluebear  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-24-11 03:02 AM
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Christian Students Mock Atheist, Say Prayer at Graduation
 A high school in Louisiana removed a traditional prayer from its graduation ceremony after an atheist student complained. But one of the students put it back in.

Last week Damon Fowler wrote to the principal of Bastrop High School, saying the Christian prayer was a violation of church and state separation laws, and if it wasn't removed, he would contact the ACLU.

The school backed down and removed the prayer from Friday's program and replaced it with a moment of silence.

"I don't think it's a shame I'll be remembered this way, because what I'm doing is right," Fowler told TV station KTVE in Monroe, Louisiana.

However, the student who was supposed to introduce the moment of silence ignored the school's wishes, saying, "I now ask my fellow students who wish to join in to recite the Lord’s Prayer.” Laci Mattice said her faith compelled her to thank God for blessing the class of 2011.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/christian-students-mock-... 


Note the article headline: reciting a prayer in the presence of an atheist is now public mocking.

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ejpoeta  (1000+ posts)         Tue May-24-11 06:19 AM
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6. a prime example of what happens when you undermine the authority of schools,
 courts, police.... it would be like me going up to the school and in front of my kid yelling at her teacher and telling the teacher not to yell at my kid. what do you think is going to happen. now my kid is going to think she can do whatever she wants and doesn't have to listen to the teacher. that is not only wrong, especially when i expect that teacher to teach my kid something, but it is dangerous. because now my kid will use that as an excuse to do other things they shouldn't be doing because they don't have to listen to anyone... go out and have sex.... drink.... drugs.... lots of stupid things kids do.
 

This is from the same crowd of people that want to hand out birth control and transport under-aged girls across state lines for abortions without parental consent.

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Vehl  (1000+ posts)         Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM
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22. yes
 Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM by Vehl
But otoh I'm pretty sure most of the admins of the school might be secretly happy that this girl did what she did.

I fail to see the ideological difference between the actions of people who fly their aircraft into buildings cos their religions tells them to ignore laws, and what this girl did.


I can think of 3,000 differences.

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cleanhippie  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-24-11 12:23 PM
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26. So when the entire audience broke into applause, they were ALL fundies?
 Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:23 PM by cleanhippie
 

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Vehl  (1000+ posts)         Tue May-24-11 12:58 PM
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42. If they Applauded? yes
 It's not as if they were not aware of the issues surrounding the prayer thing because it was all over the news. Thus the ones who applauded were religious fundies for the simple reason they chose religious authority/preference over secular law.

Fundies come in all shades..from the ones that kill people to those like these..the common thread connecting them is their mutual preference for religious notions/habits/laws over secular one.


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backscatter712  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-24-11 01:01 PM
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44. They certainly put their own beliefs in Sky Daddy ahead of rule of law. n/t

You stupid ****s.

I swear I'm going to start a suicide run just to put some learnin' to your ig'nant asses.

Here, read this:

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The Underground Railroad was an informal network of secret routes and safe houses used by 19th-century black slaves in the United States to escape to free states and Canada with the aid of abolitionists and allies who were sympathetic to their cause.[2] The term is also applied to the abolitionists, both black and white, free and enslaved, who aided the fugitives.[3] Other various routes led to Mexico or overseas.[4] Created in the early 19th century, the Underground Railroad was at its height between 1850 and 1860.[5] One estimate suggests that by 1850, 100,000 slaves had escaped via the "Railroad".[5]

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Under the original Fugitive Slave Law of 1793, the responsibility for catching runaway slaves fell to officials of the states whence the slaves came, and the Underground Railroad thrived.

With heavy political lobbying, the Compromise of 1850, passed by Congress after the Mexican-American War, stipulated a more stringent Fugitive Slave Law. Ostensibly, the compromise redressed all regional problems. However, it coerced officials of free states to assist slave catchers if there were runaway slaves in the area, and granted slave catchers national immunity when in free states to do their job.[8]

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The escape network was solely "underground" in the sense of being an underground resistance. The network was known as a "railroad" by way of the use of rail terminology in the code.[12] The Underground Railroad consisted of meeting points, secret routes, transportation, and safe houses, and assistance provided by abolitionist sympathizers. Individuals were often organized in small, independent groups, which helped to maintain secrecy since some knew of connecting "stations" along the route but few details of their immediate area. Escaped slaves would move along the route from one way station to the next, steadily making their way north. "Conductors" on the railroad came from various backgrounds and included free-born blacks, white abolitionists, former slaves (either escaped or manumitted), and Native Americans. Churches also often played a role, especially the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), Congregationalists, Wesleyans, and Reformed Presbyterians as well as certain sects of mainstream denominations such as branches of the Methodist church and American Baptists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad

Basically, the lefties know they are losing the "separation of church and state" debate so now they're floating ballons for a secular vs. religious precedence in law argument.

As with all things liberal, it is contingent upon ignorance and demagogury.

Speaking of which:

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Tunkamerica  (1000+ posts)       Tue May-24-11 05:55 AM
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5. This is what you get when you type LAci Mattice into google:


Adolescent Christian High School girls: they'll slit your throat, commandeer your plane and crash it into your stuff

And on it goes...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1162502

This is odd.

In other threads they are seething that Netanyahu stands firm for the defense of Israel and he's such a boor for doing so and apparently its all a matter of religion.

Now Laci Mattice is catching the same level of grief.

Yet, the sub-savage thugs that perpetrate Islamist violence are apparently the aggrieved party.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2011, 01:02:31 PM »
I thought that courts have ruled that students could participate in a student led prayer, but that the school could not do the prayer?

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 01:07:18 PM »
I thought that courts have ruled that students could participate in a student led prayer, but that the school could not do the prayer?

There's no time to discuss court rulings when we're busy ranting about government taking precedent over religion!</DUmbass>
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 01:09:57 PM »
I seriously hate some of them today.  Usually I just laugh at the dumbass monkeys flinging poo, but today they have crossed the line with me. :bird:
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 01:13:41 PM »
I thought they were all for civil disobedience

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 01:21:01 PM »
I thought they were all for civil disobedience

They never meant YOURS!

Now back in line, you!
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2011, 01:21:58 PM »
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Vehl  (1000+ posts)         Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM
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22. yes
 Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM by Vehl
But otoh I'm pretty sure most of the admins of the school might be secretly happy that this girl did what she did.

I fail to see the ideological difference between the actions of people who fly their aircraft into buildings cos their religions tells them to ignore laws, and what this girl did.

Good thing our lives aren't in your hands, then, ya damn' wack-job.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2011, 01:26:45 PM »
Wow. That Lord's Prayer is some awful stuff. Violent, hate speech.


Oh. Wait....  :whatever:
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God alone suffices.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 01:30:21 PM »
They never meant YOURS!

Now back in line, you!

I forgot for a second that we were all equal but some of us are more equal than others.

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2011, 01:33:15 PM »
I forgot for a second that we were all equal but some of us are more equal than others.

's'all good.

You never would have made for a very good pig anyway.

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2011, 01:35:06 PM »
's'all good.

You never would have made for a very good pig anyway.



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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 01:35:28 PM »
Someone ought to take the quote from that pic and superimpose it on a pic of MLK or Bonhoeffer, or Harriet Tubman.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 02:03:56 PM »
The hyporisy is stunning.

You'd think they'd get their talking points in order before making asses of themselves across the depth and breadth of the internet.

Nope.

Here's a thread about how the number of people being arrested at protests has skyrocketed since Obama took office.

Then we read this gem:

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socialist_n_TN  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-24-11 11:46 AM
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2. A cause not worth being arrested for is not much
 of a cause at all. IMO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1163613

Remember, this thread is about how progressives apparently get upset when people of religion put matters of conscience over obedience to the law.

But now matters of conscience apparently take precedent over the law.

Or is the issue really about not liking religion?

No, wait, when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the Israeli calls for life are religious hatred while the Palestinian calls for the extermination of Jews and Christians is the expression of a grievance.

Hmmm...I guess liberals are really just bigots.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 02:25:03 PM »
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socialist_n_TN  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-24-11 11:46 AM
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2. A cause not worth being arrested for is not much
of a cause at all. IMO.

A cause that requires one to be arrested is probably wrong.

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 02:29:33 PM »
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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backscatter712  (1000+ posts)        Tue May-24-11 01:01 PM
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44. They certainly put their own beliefs in Sky Daddy ahead of rule of law. n/t

And you put your fear of even hearing God's name above every thing.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 02:31:03 PM »
I love that the student did this and it's sad that it's considered a courageous act. Who ever thought Prayer in public would be considered courageous?
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 03:27:33 PM »
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1. Hopefully, god will remind Ms. Messy Lettuce to ask...
   
...all her customers whether they want to upgrade to a large fries, and how to make correct change at the register for a $20 bill.

You fat slug, at least she'll have a job and not depend on someone else to support her. BTW, how's Janette? Is she still working as a telemarketer?
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 04:03:07 PM »
So in order to be non-offensive to a single atheist, it's okay to offend the majority of Christians.  Makes perfect sense.  To an educator.

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 04:08:51 PM »
So in order to be non-offensive to a single atheist, it's okay to offend the majority of Christians.  Makes perfect sense.  To an educator.

A majority of liberals polled say the opinions of the minority take precedence.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 04:13:19 PM »
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Vehl  (1000+ posts)         Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM
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22. yes
Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM by Vehl
But otoh I'm pretty sure most of the admins of the school might be secretly happy that this girl did what she did.

I fail to see the ideological difference between the actions of people who fly their aircraft into buildings cos their religions tells them to ignore laws, and what this girl did.

How did I miss that comment? WTF?
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 04:37:32 PM »
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1. Hopefully, god will remind Ms. Messy Lettuce to ask...
   
...all her customers whether they want to upgrade to a large fries, and how to make correct change at the register for a $20 bill.
Against all odds, the Las Vegas Leviathan still survives. Incredibly, despite the enormous workload it continues to labor under, his heart has not yet exploded. The question is whether his current weight is closer to a quarter, or a half, ton. Upgrading to large fries is probably a fond memory for the whale, from back in the day when he could fit through a McDonald's doorway.

By making fun of teenaged girl's name, he demostrates that he's as classy as ever.

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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2011, 04:41:17 PM »
How did I miss that comment? WTF?

I'd have to look, and I can't, but the DUmmies were in a snit over the same thing last year.  The ACLU threatened Pace High School about a prayer and the school folded, and this with no atheist even present to be offended.  The students got together like this and prayed anyway.  The ACLU was in a snit and said the school should have yanked the microphone away from the student.

I hate that liberals wrote laws to force us to pay people like the ACLU.  They wouldn't exist without taxpayer funding.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2011, 05:25:21 PM »
You fat slug, at least she'll have a job and not depend on someone else to support her. BTW, how's Janette? Is she still working as a telemarketer?

My my, the gigantic primitive seems especially bitter in that post.

One wonders if there's a reason for it, but never mind.

One can guess; the lost pounds have been added on again.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2011, 05:36:40 PM »
I thought they were all for civil disobedience
Hi5 for that. Civil disobedience. Speaking truth to power. Tea party counter protests.
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Re: High school students recite prayer without approval, 9/11 ensues
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2011, 05:46:07 PM »
Against all odds, the Las Vegas Leviathan still survives. Incredibly, despite the enormous workload it continues to labor under, his heart has not yet exploded. The question is whether his current weight is closer to a quarter, or a half, ton. Upgrading to large fries is probably a fond memory for the whale, from back in the day when he could fit through a McDonald's doorway.

It's easy to figure out what's going on with the gigantic primitive, who alas doesn't show up as much as he used to, and so one's compelled to fill in the blanks based upon fragmentary clues.

(a) since the gigantic primitive hasn't told us of any weight loss lately, the logical conclusion is that he hasn't lost any lately--if he did, we'd all be told about it--and might have actually gained.

(b) it was evident in his posts circa a few months ago that his know-it-all take-command of Jeanette's problems--so as to avoid dealing with his own problems--that there were some, uh, marital difficulties between the two; it is wholly within the realm of possibility that Jeanette has actually left, tired of having the gigantic primitive running her life when he can't even control his own.

(c) it was also evident, from almost the beginning, that the gigantic primitive was developing a hard case of agoraphobia, the fear of being out in public.  It's probably fully-blown by now.

My guess is that the gigantic primitive's put back on some weight, that Jeanette left him (or is about to), and that the apartment in Las Vegas stinks to high heaven from being constantly inhabited by a big guy whose body hygiene was probably never very good to begin with.
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