Obama Issues Statement Indicating He Won’t Abide by Provision in Budget Bill

[formerlurker]

 

Oh man.   You can't write this stuff if you wanted to ladies and gentlemen. 

[DefiantSix]

Ah, you are immature and extremely politically naive.   

Let me spell it out for you -- you stay home, you vote for Obama by default.

You keep telling yourself otherwise.   

So tell me, oh sage of the political scene: I go out and pull the lever for the limp dick asshole the RINOs are running as an (R).  Damned near the second after he takes the oath of office, the spineless mother****er makes an "across three lanes of traffic" swerve leftward. 

How long am I supposed to keep pulling the lever for a cocksucker who says he stands for what I do when he needs my vote, and then votes with reaches across the aisle to the leftists tearing apart my country as soon as the election is over, before I am allowed to conclude that I have a better chance of getting what I want from a slot machine than from pulling the (R) lever?

[Lacarnut]

So tell me, oh sage of the political scene: I go out and pull the lever for the limp dick asshole the RINOs are running as an (R).  Damned near the second after he takes the oath of office, the spineless mother****er makes an "across three lanes of traffic" swerve leftward. 

How long am I supposed to keep pulling the lever for a cocksucker who says he stands for what I do when he needs my vote, and then votes with reaches across the aisle to the leftists tearing apart my country as soon as the election is over, before I am allowed to conclude that I have a better chance of getting what I want from a slot machine than from pulling the (R) lever?

Our brilliant analyst who is probably still wet behind the ears will tell us that Romney is a conservative, and that he has changed his position on Obamacare, abortion, gay rights, immigration, etc. We do not need an ass kissing moderate. We have got too many of those pricks with an R behind their name in Congress.The last thing I want as as a candidate is a Yankee blue blood ass kissing RINO. Bush and Obama have ****ed this country up and they were Supposed To Be So Intelligent. I will not vote for a lying piece of shit like Romney. 

[rich_t]

IMO, If the GOP nominates another "moderate", we'll end up with 4 more years of Obama in the WH.  I think the mid-terms were a pretty good indication that America is fed up with moderates and liberals.

[formerlurker]

So tell me, oh sage of the political scene: I go out and pull the lever for the limp dick asshole the RINOs are running as an (R).  Damned near the second after he takes the oath of office, the spineless mother****er makes an "across three lanes of traffic" swerve leftward. 

How long am I supposed to keep pulling the lever for a cocksucker who says he stands for what I do when he needs my vote, and then votes with reaches across the aisle to the leftists tearing apart my country as soon as the election is over, before I am allowed to conclude that I have a better chance of getting what I want from a slot machine than from pulling the (R) lever?

If you are perfectly ok with Obama as president then you stay home.    That's how long you have to do it.

The whining from the "real conservatives" over the (R) presidential candidate never ceases to sicken me.   You have short of two years to get your candidate accepted by the ENTIRE party (which would include the RINOs, i.e. moderates), so you better get busy.

Your candidate being?

[formerlurker]

Our brilliant analyst who is probably still wet behind the ears will tell us that Romney is a conservative, and that he has changed his position on Obamacare, abortion, gay rights, immigration, etc. We do not need an ass kissing moderate. We have got too many of those pricks with an R behind their name in Congress.The last thing I want as as a candidate is a Yankee blue blood ass kissing RINO. Bush and Obama have ****ed this country up and they were Supposed To Be So Intelligent. I will not vote for a lying piece of shit like Romney. 

I never said Romney was a conservative.   

You stay home = voting for Obama.   I am going to keep reminding you of that until it sinks in, however I am not holding my breath. 

[formerlurker]

IMO, If the GOP nominates another "moderate", we'll end up with 4 more years of Obama in the WH.  I think the mid-terms were a pretty good indication that America is fed up with moderates and liberals.

The 2012 election will be about the budget, so a moderate who is a strong fiscal conservative could possible grab the nomination however it is way too early to predict which way the political winds will blow.   Charles Krauthammer has a great article on NRO on the possible candidates:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/265428/2012-racing-form-charles-krauthammer

He is making a good point on waiting - right now Obama is in the spotlight consuming all of the heat on the price of gas, groceries, unemployment, etc.    Let him enjoy that as long as politically safe to do so. 

As for candidates, I agree with him that Ryan would appeal to everyone.   I like the guy a great deal.   We'll see who runs and who is left standing.

[rich_t]

The 2012 election is going to be about a lot more than just the budget, though that will surely play a large part.

A candidate that gets the GOP nomination isn't necessarily going to win the election.  A lot of folks that vote in the general election don't vote in the primaries.  So winning the nomination doesn't mean all that much at the end of the day.

McCain won the GOP nomination, but he lost the election.  Whomever gets the 2012 GOP nomination is going to have to be to somebody that connects with the strong (meaning large in this context) conservative element as well as the middle of the road moderates.  The mid term sweep in the House and in many of the state governorships and legislators didn't come about because these candidates appealed to the moderates so much as they appealed to the conservative side of the electorate.

IMO.

But it is still early in the game and the political winds will change many times between now and election day 2012.

 

[formerlurker]

My point all along is that the GOP nomination must appeal to the moderates, who could be swayed to vote for either side in the general election.    The moderates are independents, and those who hover around the middle for both parties.   Without them you don't win elections.  

The 2010 elections was an anti-incumbent, anti-Obama mandate.   The 2012 elections will be some of that, and what the hell are doing about my living expenses cause it is personal for me now.   Gas prices, food prices, health insurance premiums, everything has gone up.   Ideologies are fine, but when it gets personal people go out and vote.  

I think the successful candidate should hyper-focus on the economy, and those areas  that are directly affecting everyday Americans.   That is how they will win the general election.

Social issues, while that may resonate with the base of each party, it won't get people to donate or pull a lever for you.  

The biggest mistake the GOP can make now is to not get out of their own way.   This is their election to lose.  

[Lacarnut]

I never said Romney was a conservative.   

You stay home = voting for Obama.   I am going to keep reminding you of that until it sinks in, however I am not holding my breath. 

I am going to keep reminding you that the Repubs need a conservative to straighten out the mess Bush and Obama has put us in. A moderate will only trim around the edges. What is needed is a conservative that will take a chainsaw to the budget and eliminate agencies.

Romney is a liberal and a liar. He has flip flopped on many issues. Just because he has an R by his name does not mean a candidate will get my vote. Independents are tired of these politicans that say one thing and then when they get elected do another. That shit might fly in Yankee land but not in the rest of the country. The Repubs can win without winning the state of MA and most of the northastern states. So you can take your moderation and cram it cause it is a recipe for another defeat. Plus, you've got it ass backwards; most independents (Tea Party) lean towards conservatism not moderation.

[formerlurker]

I am going to keep reminding you that the Repubs need a conservative to straighten out the mess Bush and Obama has put us in. A moderate will only trim around the edges. What is needed is a conservative that will take a chainsaw to the budget and eliminate agencies.

Romney is a liberal and a liar. He has flip flopped on many issues. Just because he has an R by his name does not mean a candidate will get my vote. Independents are tired of these politicans that say one thing and then when they get elected do another. That shit might fly in Yankee land but not in the rest of the country. The Repubs can win without winning the state of MA and most of the northastern states. So you can take your moderation and cram it cause it is a recipe for another defeat. Plus, you've got it ass backwards; most independents (Tea Party) lean towards conservatism not moderation.

For someone of advanced years,  you truly are the most clueless person I have read in quite some time who claims to be a conservative.  

First of all, Mitt Romney will most likely not get the nomination, and I don't see anyone here who is advocating for him to get it (there was one poster who some of  you ran off in a NY minute, but that happens to most political cowards who can't stick it out for those they support).     However, should he win the nomination then your commentary here is pretty much a non-starter as he would have secured the support of the party.  

He wins the nomination then you will stay home, which is the equivilent of pulling the lever for Obama.  In your tunnel vision world, Romney would be worse than the communist.    

Should it be Obama vs Romney, with Obama winning, then any comment from the peanut gallery crowd of the "real conservatives" should be shoved up their collective asses, as by staying home they put Obama in office.     But but you showed "them" right?   "Them" of course never being clearly defined.  

That is the very simple reality of it all.

[formerlurker]

Plus, you've got it ass backwards; most independents (Tea Party) lean towards conservatism not moderation.

Do you even know what a moderate conservative is?   

[Lacarnut]

For someone of advanced years,  you truly are the most clueless person I have read in quite some time who claims to be a conservative.  

First of all, Mitt Romney will most likely not get the nomination, and I don't see anyone here who is advocating for him to get it (there was one poster who some of  you ran off in a NY minute, but that happens to most political cowards who can't stick it out for those they support).     However, should he win the nomination then your commentary here is pretty much a non-starter as he would have secured the support of the party.  

He wins the nomination then you will stay home, which is the equivilent of pulling the lever for Obama.  In your tunnel vision world, Romney would be worse than the communist.    

Should it be Obama vs Romney, with Obama winning, then any comment from the peanut gallery crowd of the "real conservatives" should be shoved up their collective asses, as by staying home they put Obama in office.     But but you showed "them" right?   "Them" of course never being clearly defined.  

That is the very simple reality of it all.

Your juvenile posts are typical of Yankee RINO's who think that Repubs should run a moderate. We tried that crap the last time with McCain. Plus, McCain is more conservative than Romney.

As it stands, Romney is the front runner. He is a liar and a flip flopper which YOU have never addressed. I wonder why. All you can come up with is that we need a moderate candidate. I oppose that stupid thinking.

A Tea Party candidate like Palin is someone that I could enthusiastically support. Not some limp dick liberal like Romney who would change his views once he got in office. Would you vote for Palin?   

[formerlurker]

Your juvenile posts are typical of Yankee RINO's who think that Repubs should run a moderate. We tried that crap the last time with McCain. Plus, McCain is more conservative than Romney.

As it stands, Romney is the front runner. He is a liar and a flip flopper which YOU have never addressed. I wonder why. All you can come up with is that we need a moderate candidate. I oppose that stupid thinking.

A Tea Party candidate like Palin is someone that I could enthusiastically support. Not some limp dick liberal like Romney who would change his views once he got in office. Would you vote for Palin?   

Where did I state that we needed a moderate candidate?  take your time oh emotional one, as I never said it. 

You want to debate Romney?   then post something other than mass resistance, and we will talk about it.   I don't have any issue with those who don't support him, however just base it on facts, which for you is extremely difficult I as suspect you are incapable of forming any sort of independent thought.

[DefiantSix]

If you are perfectly ok with Obama as president then you stay home.    That's how long you have to do it.

The whining from the "real conservatives" over the (R) presidential candidate never ceases to sicken me.   You have short of two years to get your candidate accepted by the ENTIRE party (which would include the RINOs, i.e. moderates), so you better get busy.

Your candidate being?

Nice dodge of my question, sir.    As I never said I was planning on staying home, what the hell does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

Now, if we can get to the topic at hand: Do I, or do I not have justification and reasonable expectation that when I vote for a representative, the son of a bitch better ****ing well REPRESENT me?  That representing me does not mean getting down on his ****ing knees before their lordships the Dhimmi'Rats whenever representation of me means opposing the agenda of the traitorous Dhimmi'Rats?

When the hell am I supposed to get what I'm paying for with the value of my vote?  And when the hell am I supposed to step away from the ****in' one-armed bandit, and look for something that will show a better return on my investment than the Republican party?

[formerlurker]

Nice dodge of my question, sir.    As I never said I was planning on staying home, what the hell does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

Um yeah, you are the only one doing this

So tell me, oh sage of the political scene: I go out and pull the lever for the limp dick asshole the RINOs are running as an (R).  Damned near the second after he takes the oath of office, the spineless mother****er makes an "across three lanes of traffic" swerve leftward. 

How long am I supposed to keep pulling the lever for a cocksucker who says he stands for what I do when he needs my vote, and then votes with reaches across the aisle to the leftists tearing apart my country as soon as the election is over, before I am allowed to conclude that I have a better chance of getting what I want from a slot machine than from pulling the (R) lever?

The only question I see in this post is the section in bold.   To which I replied:

If you are perfectly ok with Obama as president then you stay home.    That's how long you have to do it.

You let me know if you need any further clarification on that.

Now, if we can get to the topic at hand: Do I, or do I not have justification and reasonable expectation that when I vote for a representative, the son of a bitch better ****ing well REPRESENT me?  That representing me does not mean getting down on his ****ing knees before their lordships the Dhimmi'Rats whenever representation of me means opposing the agenda of the traitorous Dhimmi'Rats?

When the hell am I supposed to get what I'm paying for with the value of my vote?  And when the hell am I supposed to step away from the ****in' one-armed bandit, and look for something that will show a better return on my investment than the Republican party?

Well I could go into a long response, however it is ill apparent you haven't read a damn word I have posted up to this point, so I will save myself some time by keeping it short.

Unless you have a supermajority in the Senate, House and White House then guess what?  you will be compromising.    You can place your superman candidate in the white house and unless he/she has total control, then you aren't getting everything you want. 

Mmmmkay?   

[Lacarnut]

Nice dodge of my question, sir.    As I never said I was planning on staying home, what the hell does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

Now, if we can get to the topic at hand: Do I, or do I not have justification and reasonable expectation that when I vote for a representative, the son of a bitch better ****ing well REPRESENT me?  That representing me does not mean getting down on his ****ing knees before their lordships the Dhimmi'Rats whenever representation of me means opposing the agenda of the traitorous Dhimmi'Rats?

When the hell am I supposed to get what I'm paying for with the value of my vote?  And when the hell am I supposed to step away from the ****in' one-armed bandit, and look for something that will show a better return on my investment than the Republican party?

Junior does not like to answer questions. I asked if he would vote for Palin if she was the nominee.

[formerlurker]

Junior does not like to answer questions. I asked if he would vote for Palin if she was the nominee.

I missed your question.  Yes I would vote for Sarah Palin if she was the nominee.

Now answer my question.

[Lacarnut]

I missed your question.  Yes I would vote for Sarah Palin if she was the nominee.

Now answer my question.

If your question who out the bunch I would not vote for, it is Romney because he is a liberal in my opinion. The rest of them I probably would.

[Janice]

Now, maybe I got it all wrong ... but, it appears that in formerlurker we have a true blue unrepentant 'moderate' republicrat folks.

That would make the likes of Lacarnut, DefiantSix, rich_t, myself and others here 'radicals' in his mindset or world view.

I suspect that in the final analysis no amount of reason is going to change that, given current arguments have held no sway to this point.

So thats it. We can choose between democrat or democrat light. Anything else is 'unconscionable' or 'out of touch with reality'.

So, there we have it gentlemen. Carry on.

Oh ... btw .. I think your in good company formerlurker. I believe much or most of the GOP 'leadership' would heartily agree with you and your analysis. We certainly cant fault you there. In many circles I believe its called 'conventional wisdom'.

Unfortunately for you and for them, that is not why they/ we won the House back from the demons .. err demos or whatever our GOP friends call them. (Sorry, I know this is something you dont understand and consequently cannot or wont agree with, but should be noted nonetheless)

[formerlurker]

If your question who out the bunch I would not vote for, it is Romney because he is a liberal in my opinion. The rest of them I probably would.

Where did I state that we needed a moderate candidate?  take your time oh emotional one, as I never said it. 

You want to debate Romney?   then post something other than mass resistance, and we will talk about it.   I don't have any issue with those who don't support him, however just base it on facts, which for you is extremely difficult I as suspect you are incapable of forming any sort of independent thought.

[formerlurker]

Now, maybe I got it all wrong ... but, it appears that in formerlurker we have a true blue unrepentant 'moderate' republicrat folks.

That would make the likes of Lacarnut, DefiantSix, rich_t, myself and others here 'radicals' in his mindset or world view.

I suspect that in the final analysis no amount of reason is going to change that, given current arguments have held no sway to this point.

So thats it. We can choose between democrat or democrat light. Anything else is 'unconscionable' or 'out of touch with reality'.

So, there we have it gentlemen. Carry on.

Oh ... btw .. I think your in good company formerlurker. I believe much or most of the GOP 'leadership' would heartily agree with you and your analysis. We certainly cant fault you there. In many circles I believe its called 'conventional wisdom'.

Unfortunately for you and for them, that is not why they/ we won the House back from the demons .. err demos or whatever our GOP friends call them. (Sorry, I know this is something you dont understand and consequently cannot or wont agree with, but should be noted nonetheless)

Janice, if you wish to debate my points then do so.  However this waiting until others do before you chime in posting is getting really old.

"Radicals" huh?  Oooooh how scary. 

[rich_t]

There is a difference between compromise and rolling over and spreading your legs.

The Repubs have been doing too much of the later in recent years IMO.  This last budget fiasco is merely one example.

A 35B dollar budget reduction?  Seriously?  And some of them are acting like it was a major victory for crying out loud.

[Janice]

Looks like a moderate, sounds like a moderate, walks like a moderate ...

 

[formerlurker]

Looks like a moderate, sounds like a moderate, walks like a moderate ...

 

Nothing, as I expected.   

Whining is all you accomplish.   It's not election season until the "real conservatives" dust off their keyboards and whine with proficiency.

If nothing, you are most consistent in that regard.