mental health primitives don't like us studying, analyzing, them

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x11277

Oh my.

HereSince1628  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-03-11 10:22 AM
THE PILGRIM PRIMITIVE
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Just to remind everyone . . . this is a public conversation 

This group is also read by non DUers. Sometimes those seeking to read about their interests and sometimes for comic entertainment.

It's that reality everyone knows...nothing is a secret if it's on the internet.

It is not uncommon for students of mental health to read groups such as ours out of interest in the topics, and it has become a not uncommon practice for therapists to actually track patient posts.

As we well know, calling the opponents names, including various references to crazy is a real part of political chat. Our group provides a ready-made forum for those who wish to indulge that prurient interest.

I've often puzzled over why our view counts were so high and the reply rate so low. Obviously anyone can read what's posted in here. You can call me paranoid or just curious but, I've been googling to see just who else is referencing our threads on the internet. Over the past year posts from here have been referenced, sometimes conscientiously, sometimes mockingly on several conservative boards including freerepublic and conservative cave.

They know individual posters well enough to discuss regular posters with earlier and later DU IDs and profiles. Some here have dedicated fans, even if their interest is rather voyeuristic.

Uh oh.

conservativecave called by name.

franksolich is going to have to consult with his fellow alum Skins about this violation of the rules.

Copy of clarebootheluce gmail to be posted as soon as I get it sent.

Tobin S.  (1000+ posts)      Sun Apr-03-11 10:53 AM
THE DROOPY DRAWERS PRIMITIVE
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1. That's a good thing to keep in mind

It's something that I've considered here in the past, before I started putting the personal stuff out there. But I haven't put anything out there that I wouldn't own up to if I was called on it.

Aside from small minded individuals who don't understand empathy, hope, and personal development, I think if you go back here and look through what I've posted you will find a reason to keep fighting the good fight if you are in a situation where you feel like you are not making any progress. The key to a brighter future when you are dealing with a mental health problem is to keep going. I know that may seem impossible at times and those are the times when you need to reach out to someone- that too is keeping on keeping on. Reaching out for help is not giving up.

I've put it all out there in the hope that it might help someone, including myself. If someone wants to mock that then they've got bigger problems than I do.

The droopy drawers primitive is a good one, by the way.

<<has never said anything negative about the droopy drawers primitive.

postatomic  (236 posts)      Wed Apr-06-11 03:46 AM
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2. I look at this a little differently

I think that many people that are going through depression and all the various forms of baggage that goes along with that are just looking for reassurance that they aren't alone. Maybe they can get something out of what is being said here that might help them. Maybe not.

I lost all of my "friends" after my suicide attempt so I'm not worried about someone reading what I have to say and realizing that "I" am the person they know. They wouldn't take the time to care let alone read about anything to do with what I've gone through and am going through. Me, being an infrequent writing newbie I might be checked on by others to see what and where I post. If that's the case I have no problem with that.

Not a day goes by that I don't think about suicide and killing myself. I'm currently (I think??) on cocktail #5. This one includes a powerful sedative that I call the "Zombie Drug". Nasty nasty stuff. I've been on it for four weeks. I've been told that the bad side effects will go away in 6-8 weeks. I hope so. If not, I'm going off it.

In a public forum like this we can all hope that others might benefit even if they don't reply. I know I gain comfort in knowing that I'm not alone. We are all unique individuals and we step into the darkness for various reasons but we all share many common feelings.

That is how I look at it. I may be completely wrong. Oh, and I'm sorry that I didn't continue discussing the issue of anger with you. I had some thoughts that I put together in my head. Just didn't have the energy to convert those to words.

HereSince1628  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-06-11 10:09 AM
THE PILGRIM PRIMITIVE
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3. I agree that there are people who lurk but don't post who are looking for reassurance. I suspect that those are people who are somewhat more reticent to post than those who do. Knowing what I've found about 'visitors' using these threads as an entry to mock DU on other threads might make them even more reticent.

I apologize if I've scared people away.

I just think that those of us who feel the need and do post here should be as comfortable with the reality that this isn't a truly private conversation as you clearly are.

Good luck with your meds.

postatomic  (236 posts)      Thu Apr-07-11 12:36 PM
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5. I doubt you scared anyone away

And I apologize for rambling and getting off topic.

Some may be embarrased. Feeling that having a mental illness makes them less of a 'real person', which is total bs. Others may be looking for something they can identify with.

I don't understand why someone would use one part of a cyber village as a springboard to other parts just to practice their "asshole skills". The internet is used by many as a way to address their own mental illness/depression. An escape of sorts. It's no different than abusing drugs and alcohol as a means to fight their own depression.

And yea, thanks for the good luck message on my meds. If I were younger I'd probably say screw it and go it on my own. But I'm getting older and I want to do whatever I can to get through this dark goo I'm stuck in and have some peace. Some happiness. If I have to medicate myself to do that then so be it.

mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-07-11 09:21 AM
THE HYPOCHONDRIAL PRIMITIVE
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4. i had a neighborhood nasty blogger follow me here. 

i was having a lot of trouble with my kids at the time, and he put those details on his blog. it is not really that hard, if you know me, to figure out that this user name is me. not sure how he did that from the other side. but he is a sorry piece of work with not much else to do than to cause trouble.

for all i know he still lurks here, but i really don't give a shit. i am upfront about most everything, beyond the bounds of social convention, i guess. sometimes that has it's upside.

understand why that might be a problem for some, tho.

[Skul]

Stupid scrunt didn't read the rules of the island.
Voted off.

[FreeBorn]

 

[true_blood]

HereSince1628  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-03-11 10:22 AM
THE PILGRIM PRIMITIVE
Original message
Just to remind everyone . . . this is a public conversation This group is also read by non DUers. Sometimes those seeking to read about their interests and sometimes for comic entertainment.

That's EXACTLY the reason I read the DUmp. For the stupidity and comic entertainment. There would be no other reason.

[Ballygrl]

I kind of think the Mental Health Forum people just like the physically Disabled people forum should be off limits. It's 1 thing to poke fun at people because of their political views, but personally I prefer to leave it at that.

[GOBUCKS]

I kind of think the Mental Health Forum people just like the physically Disabled people forum should be off limits. It's 1 thing to poke fun at people because of their political views, but personally I prefer to leave it at that.

The entire DUmp is a mental health forum. The DUmmies in GD are no less deranged than the ones in the mental health group. A very few in the mental health group, like Ladyhawk, are so sick they're pitiful, and are usually given quarter, but most of them are just like the General Discussion nutcases. Liberalism is a mental disease. Poor, stupid Beth, and UGP, and lardass Hawkeye-X are just a few of the DUmbasses who have posted some of their best material in the mental health group, and shouldn't regard the nuthatch as a sanctuary.

[Ballygrl]

The entire DUmp is a mental health forum. The DUmmies in GD are no less deranged than the ones in the mental health group. A very few in the mental health group, like Ladyhawk, are so sick they're pitiful, and are usually given quarter, but most of them are just like the General Discussion nutcases. Liberalism is a mental disease. Poor, stupid Beth, and UGP, and lardass Hawkeye-X are just a few of the DUmbasses who have posted some of their best material in the mental health group, and shouldn't regard the nuthatch as a sanctuary.

GD is totally fair game.

[delilahmused]

I kind of think the Mental Health Forum people just like the physically Disabled people forum should be off limits. It's 1 thing to poke fun at people because of their political views, but personally I prefer to leave it at that.

Except they wear it as a badge of honor and actually brag about all their meds and issues. They wallow in their suffering and enjoy it like pigs in shit. I don't think most of the ribbing here has to to with the fact that they ARE mentally ill, but how they deal with it. I've made no secret about being bipolar, having anxiety disorder, and OCD and I've never felt self-conscious or offended by anything anyone has said here. I've even done my share of ribbing.

Everyone has issues, burdens, and challenges. I actually don't think I could deal with the health issues BEG has to deal with but she's amazingly matter of fact about it. I talk with or hear about military families all the time who have lost their children serving their country. I'd rather be bipolar than lose my baby boy.

Granted there are those like UGP who are definitely over the edge but I'm not sure she even notices when people talk about her (even other DUers) any more than Vesta does. Of course in her own way Vesta is much more adorable than the man/woman/furry thing. I don't think they would receive the same kind of criticism if they weren't proud of their mental issues.

There are people and organizations working to take the stigma out of mental illness. These people are pathetic and do nothing to help. I'm not necessarily unsympathetic, it's a constant struggle. I go to the doctor about every 2 or 3 months for my "Are You Sane Yet" pop quiz but it infuriates me when people use it as an excuse and a crutch.

Cindie

[Ballygrl]

Except they wear it as a badge of honor and actually brag about all their meds and issues. They wallow in their suffering and enjoy it like pigs in shit. I don't think most of the ribbing here has to to with the fact that they ARE mentally ill, but how they deal with it. I've made no secret about being bipolar, having anxiety disorder, and OCD and I've never felt self-conscious or offended by anything anyone has said here. I've even done my share of ribbing.

Everyone has issues, burdens, and challenges. I actually don't think I could deal with the health issues BEG has to deal with but she's amazingly matter of fact about it. I talk with or hear about military families all the time who have lost their children serving their country. I'd rather be bipolar than lose my baby boy.

Granted there are those like UGP who are definitely over the edge but I'm not sure she even notices when people talk about her (even other DUers) any more than Vesta does. Of course in her own way Vesta is much more adorable than the man/woman/furry thing. I don't think they would receive the same kind of criticism if they weren't proud of their mental issues.

There are people and organizations working to take the stigma out of mental illness. These people are pathetic and do nothing to help. I'm not necessarily unsympathetic, it's a constant struggle. I go to the doctor about every 2 or 3 months for my "Are You Sane Yet" pop quiz but it infuriates me when people use it as an excuse and a crutch.

Cindie

I think this board has shown restraint in dealing with those who are mentally and or physically ill, they mentioned us by name and felt the need to address them.

[BEG]

Except they wear it as a badge of honor and actually brag about all their meds and issues. They wallow in their suffering and enjoy it like pigs in shit. I don't think most of the ribbing here has to to with the fact that they ARE mentally ill, but how they deal with it. I've made no secret about being bipolar, having anxiety disorder, and OCD and I've never felt self-conscious or offended by anything anyone has said here. I've even done my share of ribbing.

Everyone has issues, burdens, and challenges. I actually don't think I could deal with the health issues BEG has to deal with but she's amazingly matter of fact about it. I talk with or hear about military families all the time who have lost their children serving their country. I'd rather be bipolar than lose my baby boy.

Granted there are those like UGP who are definitely over the edge but I'm not sure she even notices when people talk about her (even other DUers) any more than Vesta does. Of course in her own way Vesta is much more adorable than the man/woman/furry thing. I don't think they would receive the same kind of criticism if they weren't proud of their mental issues.

There are people and organizations working to take the stigma out of mental illness. These people are pathetic and do nothing to help. I'm not necessarily unsympathetic, it's a constant struggle. I go to the doctor about every 2 or 3 months for my "Are You Sane Yet" pop quiz but it infuriates me when people use it as an excuse and a crutch.

Cindie

H5 and not because you mentioned me.  

[Carl]

I have all the empathy in the world for anyone who is truly suffering from either a disability or a mental illness and are fighting to make their lives as "normal" as they can.

My heart pumps warm piss for the minions at the DUmp who treat a moments sadness as if it were the end of the world,declare themselves outside of society,demand all take care of them forever and then go on to lecture how they are the smartest and should be setting policy for the rest of us.

To most on the island mental illness is not a struggle but a desirable meal ticket that they wave proudly.

[blitzkrieg_17]

I have all the empathy in the world for anyone who is truly suffering from either a disability or a mental illness and are fighting to make their lives as "normal" as they can.

My heart pumps warm piss for the minions at the DUmp who treat a moments sadness as if it were the end of the world,declare themselves outside of society,demand all take care of them forever and then go on to lecture how they are the smartest and should be setting policy for the rest of us.

To most on the island mental illness is not a struggle but a desirable meal ticket that they wave proudly.

Agreed. They use it to seek victim status and that is something I look down on.

[franksolich]

To most on the island mental illness is not a struggle but a desirable meal ticket that they wave proudly.

You said it much better than I could, sir.

Awesome.

[dandi]

I kind of think the Mental Health Forum people just like the physically Disabled people forum should be off limits. It's 1 thing to poke fun at people because of their political views, but personally I prefer to leave it at that.

Sorry, Bally, but Glenn Frey said it best:

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ ’don’t blame me’
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, old billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ’em tonight
You don’t want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don’t want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, get over it

It’s like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick it’s little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quit
Get over it, get over it



People who have no shit problems they are doing their level best to get under control deserve our love and support.  The DUmmies, well....

[BlueStateSaint]

Sorry, Bally, but Glenn Frey said it best:

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ ’don’t blame me’
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, old billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ’em tonight
You don’t want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don’t want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, get over it

It’s like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick it’s little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quit
Get over it, get over it



People who have no shit problems they are doing their level best to get under control deserve our love and support.  The DUmmies, well....

IIRC, that's attributed to both Glenn Frey and Don Henley, with Henley doing the lead vocal.

[dandi]

IIRC, that's attributed to both Glenn Frey and Don Henley, with Henley doing the lead vocal.

My apologies to Mr. Henley.

 

[Boudicca]

I have all the empathy in the world for anyone who is truly suffering from either a disability or a mental illness and are fighting to make their lives as "normal" as they can.

My heart pumps warm piss for the minions at the DUmp who treat a moments sadness as if it were the end of the world,declare themselves outside of society,demand all take care of them forever and then go on to lecture how they are the smartest and should be setting policy for the rest of us.

To most on the island mental illness is not a struggle but a desirable meal ticket that they wave proudly.

You hit it out of the ballpark, sir.  HI5.

Hey, one of my sisters is bipolar and I have OCD, general anxiety disorder and panic attacks if I don't stay on my meds.  But, I do.  Mental illness only makes someone pathetic if they allow it to.  Once diagnosed and treated, to wallow in said diagnosis like a pig in shit just is self-indulgent and disgraceful.

[jukin]

A great mind once posted "Going to the DUmp for mental illness advice is like holding an AA meeting in a bar."

[blitzkrieg_17]

You hit it out of the ballpark, sir.  HI5.

Hey, one of my sisters is bipolar and I have OCD, general anxiety disorder and panic attacks if I don't stay on my meds.  But, I do.  Mental illness only makes someone pathetic if they allow it to.  Once diagnosed and treated, to wallow in said diagnosis like a pig in shit just is self-indulgent and disgraceful.

It took me a very long time to get my anxiety/panic issues under control. I can't imagine anyone who would WANT to feel that way. But on DU they do, apparently.

[BlueStateSaint]

It took me a very long time to get my anxiety/panic issues under control. I can't imagine anyone who would WANT to feel that way. But on DU they do, apparently.

It gets them sympathy--and everyone knows exactly in the dictionary where that is.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I must say, it's interesting how the eternally emotionally wrought keep trying to tell us how we don't know what is in our own best interest.