a Walmart rant

[seahorse513]

I just want to say I love my job at Walmart

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/justices-skeptical-of-walmart-class-action_2011-03-30.html

After reading this, I was a little peturbed

These women do not speak for me!! What one puts into it, one will get out of it..

I know for a fact at all jobs that I have had, one rule is : DO NOT DISCUSS YOUR PAY WITH ANYONE!!!!!

So bearing this in mind, how do these women know what the men made???

Home office even said they do not make the decision on who gets a management position. Usually regional and district managers make the decision.

Nobody knows what is on another person's resume or their employment/ college education background.

Pay is negotiable upon experience in most cases.

[thundley4]

The lawyers for these women were backed by unions with deep pockets. IMHO

[Chris_]

Tuesday's arguments suggested the court might divide roughly along gender lines itself, with the three female justices – Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – emerging as perhaps the strongest supporters of the class action. Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito voiced skepticism.

What happened to unbiased judgements based on the rule of law?  Or are we supposed to chuck all that in the garbage bin and side up according to whatever stupid special interest group we can pigeonhole each other into?

[seahorse513]

What happened to unbiased judgements based on the rule of law?  Or are we supposed to chuck all that in the garbage bin and side up according to whatever stupid special interest group we can pigeonhole each other into?

Yes i noticed that the three female judges supported this, and the three male judges were skeptical. coincidence???

[vesta111]

Yes i noticed that the three female judges supported this, and the three male judges were skeptical. coincidence???

Dear Sea, I am very sceptical of any company that orders you not to discuss your pay when you are an hourly worker. Workers that are not paid by the hour perhaps but for a person that punches in to a time clock, I ask WTF.

This leaves all kinds of maneuvering room for the company to keep your salary as is for 2-3 years while hiring new workers at a higher hourly wage then you when you have seniority by a couple years to them.   Makes it easier for the company to have you train the new employees who are being paid more then you.    What a Scam.

[Celtic Rose]

Dear Sea, I am very sceptical of any company that orders you not to discuss your pay when you are an hourly worker. Workers that are not paid by the hour perhaps but for a person that punches in to a time clock, I ask WTF.

This leaves all kinds of maneuvering room for the company to keep your salary as is for 2-3 years while hiring new workers at a higher hourly wage then you when you have seniority by a couple years to them.   Makes it easier for the company to have you train the new employees who are being paid more then you.    What a Scam.

I have always been raised that it is not polite to discuss your salary with anyone, especially not anybody you work with.   

[NHSparky]

Vesta, they can't ORDER you not to, but it's poor form to discuss your salary with anyone.

[rich_t]

I've worked for some companies, including my current one, that can initiate disciplinary action for discussing your pay with co-workers.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I've worked for some companies, including my current one, that can initiate disciplinary action for discussing your pay with co-workers.

Exactly.  They can't stop you from doing it, but they CAN fire you for it, as long as it is clear that disclosing your pay to other employees is prohibited as a condition of employment.  It's a very common practice in growth businesses, or any other highly-competitive business. 

[Chris_]

Some companies have it as part of their ethics and conduct clause and you can be fired for violating that one.

[JohnnyReb]

It's nothing more than legal extortion by lawyers. They stand to make hundreds of millions....think tobacco...asbestos.

[zeitgeist]

I personally hold Wally World no ill will.  I am a frequent shopper because they are close and usually have what I want at a price and quality level which is acceptable. 
However, I received an email just yesterday, the contents of which appear to have been lifted from this site:

     http://walmartispureevil.blogspot.com/2010/11/shipping-money-to-china-even-faster.html


Check out the size of that SHIP!!


This was the bottom line of the mail.

Editorial  Comment!

A  recent documentary in late March, 2010 on the  History
Channel  noted that all of these containers are shipped  back to
China  , EMPTY.  Yep, that's right. 
We send  nothing back on these ships. What  does that tell you
about  the current financial state of this  country? Just  keep
buying  those imported goods (mostly gadgets) until you  run out
of money.

Then you may  wonder what the cause of unemployment
(maybe  even your job) in the U.S. and   Canada  might be????'Nuff said  ??

[JohnnyReb]

A  recent documentary in late March, 2010 on the  History
Channel  noted that all of these containers are shipped  back to
China  , EMPTY.

Well now, there's an oppurtunity for someone...collapseable shipping containers and disposable ships. Build cheap ship that can be cut apart and sold for steel when it arrives. Ship back containers, engine and control rooms of several ships all on one ship.

DUmb ideas sometime spark a good idea...just not in government.

[mamacags]

Bitches be jealous!!!!!!!  I made $300 last year!  Yep, 3 big ones!  I am rolling in the dough!!!!  Gangsta style!

[DumbAss Tanker]

Bitches be jealous!!!!!!!  I made $300 last year!  Yep, 3 big ones!  I am rolling in the dough!!!!  Gangsta style!

Sounds like the stripper exotic dancer gig isn't working out all that great...

 

[NHSparky]

Sounds like the stripper exotic dancer gig isn't working out all that great...

 

Here's a video of her last gig...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckYdKYMRXeM[/youtube]

[mamacags]

Well the ones all smelled like fish so I ate them.

[DLR Pyro]

The lawyers for these women were backed by unions with deep pockets. IMHO

bingo!

[vesta111]

Vesta, they can't ORDER you not to, but it's poor form to discuss your salary with anyone.

Who SAYS this is poor form??????

I can see it may be poor form to discuss your business affairs with neighbors or strangers, but the do not discuss with co workers doing the same job, as those you are training is just a fact of life.

Why not know when it is time to move on, look for a better job if the company you are working at are stiffing you ???

Each time the minimun salary rises for new workers, the pay check may come close to what you have worked for, for 10 years.   I was amazed to find when I started one job to find out that people that had 10 years experience before I was hired were making less then a dollar more then me an hour.    We new hires began at the same salary the seniors had had to work for 5-10 years to get.

Some of my coworkers quit their jobs after 10-12 years and took their experience to other company's and because of their experience started out as a new hire making $5-$10 bucks an hour more then if they had stayed in the old job for 20 years.  These were hourly workers not salary positions.

 Sparky my EX darn near got fired from NSU---NUS--- because a HEADHUNTER got hold of him wanting him to come to their company. He was a darn fool for turning them down, but that's life.
  These are salary jobs and when the older men who have to train the new know nothing kids fresh out of school or service find the snot nosed Pilgrims are making the same as them or higher then them and they  will soon be their boss, HELL time to move on.

 

[LC EFA]

I've worked for some companies, including my current one, that can initiate disciplinary action for discussing your pay with co-workers.

Every employer I've worked for, including the government, explicitly forbade discussion of wages/ salaries with any other employee.

It was an offense that had the potential to be terminable.

[overlord]

Who SAYS this is poor form??????

I can see it may be poor form to discuss your business affairs with neighbors or strangers, but the do not discuss with co workers doing the same job, as those you are training is just a fact of life.

Why not know when it is time to move on, look for a better job if the company you are working at are stiffing you ???

Each time the minimun salary rises for new workers, the pay check may come close to what you have worked for, for 10 years.   I was amazed to find when I started one job to find out that people that had 10 years experience before I was hired were making less then a dollar more then me an hour.    We new hires began at the same salary the seniors had had to work for 5-10 years to get.

Some of my coworkers quit their jobs after 10-12 years and took their experience to other company's and because of their experience started out as a new hire making $5-$10 bucks an hour more then if they had stayed in the old job for 20 years.  These were hourly workers not salary positions.

 Sparky my EX darn near got fired from NSU---NUS--- because a HEADHUNTER got hold of him wanting him to come to their company. He was a darn fool for turning them down, but that's life.
  These are salary jobs and when the older men who have to train the new know nothing kids fresh out of school or service find the snot nosed Pilgrims are making the same as them or higher then them and they  will soon be their boss, HELL time to move on.

 

I say so....

Anyone...ANYONE asks me how much I make that doesn't have a vested interest in how much I make (i.e. the lovely Mrs.), I tell'em to mind their own GD business.  Just sayin'...

[NHSparky]

Who SAYS this is poor form??????
 Sparky my EX darn near got fired from NSU---NUS--- because a HEADHUNTER got hold of him wanting him to come to their company. He was a darn fool for turning them down, but that's life.
  These are salary jobs and when the older men who have to train the new know nothing kids fresh out of school or service find the snot nosed Pilgrims are making the same as them or higher then them and they  will soon be their boss, HELL time to move on.

 

Pretty much EVERYONE says it's poor form.  It drives costs up, and morale down.  It was also one of the primary reasons why I left my last job.  My idiot boss had no idea what I did.  I wanted to go back to "the tools".  He realized he would have to hire TWO people to do the work I had been doing.  He interviewed several people, picked two people, both less experienced than me, and offered them both MORE than I was making.

How do you think I reacted when I found out that little tidbit?  And for the record, they both turned it down as it wasn't enough money.  I turned in my 2-week notice the next day.

And for the record, your husband should consider himself lucky he wasn't fired.  Job searching and interviewing on company time and resources is a good way to get shown the door very quickly, even if the headhunter initiates contact.  Companies have been known to simply fire someone when they give their notice as well--they're dickheads for doing it, but such is life.  When I was with SCE and looking for another job, I made it very clear to those who got hold of my resume that they were not to contact me during working hours, ever.  If I was being interviewed, I took a vacation day, even for a local company.

[seahorse513]

Vesta, I am going to agree with the others on this one..........it is just not a good idea to discuss one's salary with other co-employees. It is really between the person and the company. It can cause alot of bad feelings.

However I should point out that not all entry-levels are the same. Some depts are different grades. ex: electronics gets paid higher than toys. Because of our pay grading system, and where one started when they came to the company, how can they make an honest comparison, when no two associates start out the same?

[vesta111]

Vesta, I am going to agree with the others on this one..........it is just not a good idea to discuss one's salary with other co-employees. It is really between the person and the company. It can cause alot of bad feelings.

However I should point out that not all entry-levels are the same. Some depts are different grades. ex: electronics gets paid higher than toys. Because of our pay grading system, and where one started when they came to the company, how can they make an honest comparison, when no two associates start out the same?

Sea, I am speaking of workers that do the same job.    Say you are asked to train a new 18 year old in your department and find out she is making $1.00 an hour then you who have been in charge of that department for 4 years.  Are you not being scammed by the company ???

SAY you at 35 and a girl of 19 apply for a job at the same time for the same position. Both of you are hired,  and you find that the 19 year old with the same qualifications as you and bodacious tartars is making a buck more an hour then you.   If you both are doing the same job equally as well---does this not morph into the area that there is a difference in pay between men and woman that also do the same job ??

I thought we went thought this 30+ years ago and found the law stated equal pay for  anyone with the same seniority to receive equal pay. Meaning a male who is is hired at the time of a woman could not if the job was the same be paid  more then her.
Loopholes in the law or just people afraid to challenge the company.???

My 22 year last company posted the rates of hiring on a bulletin board and the rates that after so many weeks service and the many benefits to be hired on permanently.   It told of the steps it would take to get a raise, the job postings for other jobs paying more, we knew who was being paid to every one on the production line, there was no problem.-----In other parts of the plant we knew that just by seniority who was getting more or less then us, made us want to stay longer and work harder.  Those that did not miss a day at work were given awards of a weeks pay, those that noticed a problem and fixed it were given anywhere from a months pay to to 3 months pay.

This is a family plant unlike others, workers were in encouraged to bring in family. naturally family will know what the pay is for family members, but the whole family working together made this a --GO-- everyone of the workers were working for the company for the sake of their family.

This company is going strong, non Union as the company gives benefits the Union cannot do.   And as a beside this company is Canadian and is the best family friendly company in the country.

We had no secrets here we knew what pay each and every one was making and worked our hardest to jump ahead of others,, call it game ship or natural desire to better ourselves.

[seahorse513]

Well Vesta, number 1, NO bodacious 18 year old would make more than me(unless she was screwing a manager, don't be surprised, it has, and does happen). I wouldn't know anyway, because I would not ask, AND if she was bragging about how much she was making, she would be subject for termination.