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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #150 on: March 12, 2011, 11:43:52 AM »
If in fact the core has been partially uncovered, it's on par with TMI-2.  IOW, yes, reason for concern, not outright panic.

NO, it's not burning like Chernobyl.  And it won't.

This is because of the differences between a light-water [Fukushima 1] and graphite [Chernobyl]?
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #151 on: March 12, 2011, 11:49:03 AM »
This is because of the differences between a light-water [Fukushima 1] and graphite [Chernobyl]?

Among other things, yes--including the fact that Fukishima is shut down.  The problem they're having is decay heat.  Even after shutdown, fissions are still occurring for a period of time (about 3 percent of pre-shutdown levels initially) and that heat has to be carried away, usually by venting steam via dumps or the rolling the turbine unloaded.  But without the electricity to feed water BACK into the core, that's not an option, and it's entirely possible their steam-driven feed pumps were inoperable due to plant damage from the quake.

Also, the seawater (cooling water) intakes were possibly fouled during the tsunami, meaning even if they could dump steam there's no way to condense it and send it back to the reactor, and you've got the same problem over again.

Bottom line--I'm not going to panic right now, and I'm going to wait for the WANO report to come out.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #152 on: March 12, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »
Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.

SPARKY, who designed the Seabrook reactor, was it the same company that designed the Japanese reactors or some other.???

This disaster is a lesson for all the reactors about the world, plan on everything that even if impossible to our thinking at this time, what could go wrong.

We on the Atlantic don't worry about earthquakes or tsunamis to any extent, but we have scientists that are very worried about the Methane pockets that are building on the ocean floor.

Few people think or worry about them, but they can become an interesting problem, all kinds of things we do not ever think of.

We do need our reactors but we also need to anticipate damn anything that can go wrong.   Our plants need to be better built, better protected from any problem.  A battery back up or diesel back up is insane.  We need to find a way to back up the plants with something that that is not old school.     What the hell do we pay our engineers all that money for if the they cannot find a way to keep the plants on the line regardless of loss of power to them??????

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #153 on: March 12, 2011, 11:59:09 AM »
The Prime Minister and Cabinet Secretary said in their press conference [last night] that a tsunami was never anticipated to come that far inland.

Which seems absurd when you consider that historically Japan has had *larger* tsunami than they experienced on the 11th.

The fault isn't nuclear energy, it's absurdly piss-poor planning.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #154 on: March 12, 2011, 12:02:00 PM »
SPARKY, who designed the Seabrook reactor, was it the same company that designed the Japanese reactors or some other.???

According to the US Nuclear Regulatory Agency, the vendor for Seabrook's reactor was Westinghouse Four-Loop.
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/seab1.html

Everything I've read thus far has said the Fukushima 1's vendor was GE.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #155 on: March 12, 2011, 12:38:21 PM »
Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
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A building housing a reactor was destroyed, but the authorities said the reactor itself was intact inside its steel container.

The Japanese government has sought to play down fears of a meltdown at the Fukushima plant.

It says radiation levels around the stricken plant have now fallen.

A huge rescue and relief operation is under way in the region after the earthquake and subsequent tsunami, which are thought to have killed more than 1,000 people.

Fukushima before and after explosion




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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #156 on: March 12, 2011, 01:21:00 PM »
what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???

Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change

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I remember after the Indonesia earthquake and Tsunami that some moonbat liberals over at Democratic Underground blamed the catastrophe on the US, claiming we had invented an earthquake machine and Tsunami generator to kill the brown people of the world.

That was topped by one of the posters on the thread (long since deleted) that global warming was the cause of the quake. It seems that Gaia was so distraught because we were ignoring the problem that she caused the quake to remind us who's in charge on planet earth.

This was topped by a report last year - generated by climate change scientists - that because the ice sheets of the world were melting, the earth's crust "bounced back" from the weight being lifted and this causes more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

That's right - they are saying that global warming causes earthquakes.

Some poor global warming religionist posted yesterday on this nutty idea. He was hammered so badly that he changed the article and headline. But Tim Blair caught him before he made the changes:


Lots of warmist idiots immediately connected the Japanese disaster - which might have killed more than 1000 - to climate change:

So far, today's tsunami has mainly affected Japan - there are reports of up to 300 dead in the coastal city of Sendai - but future tsunamis could strike the U.S. and virtually any other coastal area of the world with equal or greater force, say scientists. In a little-heeded warning issued at a 2009 conference on the subject, experts outlined a range of mechanisms by which climate change could already be causing more earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanic activity.

"When the ice is lost, the earth's crust bounces back up again and that triggers earthquakes, which trigger submarine landslides, which cause tsunamis," Bill McGuire, professor at University College London, told Reuters.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #157 on: March 12, 2011, 01:37:00 PM »
what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???

Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html

Thats one of the least stupid things I've heard. Some people a blaming the moon.  :mental:

http://obsweatherguy.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-quake-and-super-moon.html

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #158 on: March 12, 2011, 01:41:15 PM »
Because apparently Democrats don't believe in tectonic subduction.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #159 on: March 12, 2011, 05:06:40 PM »
now they report an emergency at a second reactor

Japan Nuclear Agency Reports Emergency at Second Reactor as Hundreds of Thousands Flee

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IWAKI, Japan –  Japan's nuclear safety agency reports an emergency at a second reactor as the International Atomic Energy Agency says nearly 170,000 people have been evacuated from areas near two nuclear power plants.

The blast at a Japanese power station Saturday leveled a building housing its reactor and stoked fears of a nuclear meltdown, as officials searched for thousands of people missing more than a day after a devastating earthquake and tsunami.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/shaking-smoke-seen-japanese-nuclear-plant-facing-possible-meltdown/#

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #160 on: March 12, 2011, 05:50:49 PM »
This gets worse and worse. Now, almost 10,000 people are missing from one village and once it is all done, the death toll could very well be in the thousands.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #161 on: March 12, 2011, 06:52:59 PM »
what a history. these people were terrified of the Abombs we dropped. tried to outlaw nukes and now they're terrified of it again.

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #162 on: March 13, 2011, 04:21:39 AM »
hmmmmmmmmm, I always thought earthquakes were caused by the sudden shift of the continental shelf. Maybe I am wrong :???:
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #163 on: March 13, 2011, 06:50:22 AM »
Thats one of the least stupid things I've heard. Some people a blaming the moon.  :mental:

http://obsweatherguy.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-quake-and-super-moon.html

Well lets see here, having lived on the edge of both the Atlantic and the Pacific most my life I can understand how some would give this a thought.

In my area we are at the edge of the tidal mass that going north and  turns into the Bay of Fundy, one of the great wonders of the world.

As we Kayaked about our area we can see the difference when there is a full moon rising, One minute we have 30 feet of water under us and I have been stranded a few times on the mud flats as I could not paddle fast enough to shore to out run the tide.

The configuration of our major river is such that in places the tide will go out leaving 1/4 mile of mud flats or more with just a narrow channel in the middle for boats to navigate to.

The tremendous amount of energy needed to fill or empty the water every 6 hours is unfathomable.  Much depends on the depth of the water, the botton and its twists and turns.

Mother lives on a small cove and the low tide mark is perhaps 40 feet in front of her house---But the neighbor who has a dock not 20 feet from her property line has very little flats and has a deep water dock and only 2-3 feet of flats.

Anything with the strength of the moon to displace billions and billions of water every 6 hours all over the world should not be ruled out when it comes to shifting the ocean plates.    Add in an earthquake and now we are talking about the most powerfull energy know to man or our planet.

Not too hard to consider the Moon and its gravitational pull as playing a part in all life on earth.  Without our moon we would become a dead planet.

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #164 on: March 13, 2011, 12:35:29 PM »
what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???

Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html

That is really stupid. How does climate even have anything to do with earthquakes?????????????????  :???: :mental: :bs: :wtf2:
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #165 on: March 13, 2011, 12:36:29 PM »
That is really stupid. How does climate even have anything to do with earthquakes?????????????????  :???: :mental: :bs: :wtf2:

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #166 on: March 13, 2011, 12:40:08 PM »
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Japan Earthquake: before and after

Images of devastation wrought on the by the earthquake and tsunami.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #167 on: March 13, 2011, 01:10:10 PM »
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Japan Earthquake: before and after

Images of devastation wrought on the by the earthquake and tsunami.

really cool

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #168 on: March 13, 2011, 01:17:09 PM »
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A 60-year-old man has been found on the roof of his floating house nearly 10 miles out at sea, two days after the tsunami that devastated the north-east coast of Japan.

Hiromitsu Shinkawa must have resigned himself to his fate when he was swept away by the retreating tsunami that roared ashore in his home town of Minami Soma in Fukushima prefecture.

As the wave approached, Shinkawa took the fateful decision to return home to collect belongings. Minutes later he was out at sea clinging to a piece of the roof from his own home.

Incredibly, he was spotted by a maritime self-defence force destroyer taking part in the rescue effort as he clung to the wreckage with one hand and waved a self-made red flag with the other. He had been at sea for two days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/japan-tsunami-survivor-shinkawa-rescued-fukushima







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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #169 on: March 13, 2011, 01:19:07 PM »


he's asking which way to America and how far

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #170 on: March 13, 2011, 01:22:25 PM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #171 on: March 13, 2011, 09:54:12 PM »
ok ill tag it here. watching CNN.

another nuke plant explodes. damage unknown

hang on. another quake and Tusnami on the way.

plus a volcano eruption today.

lets see. what else can we pile on ???

no links yet.

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #172 on: March 13, 2011, 10:00:00 PM »
ok here it is

Japan Earthquake: Evacuations Ordered Amid New Tsunami Fears

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Japanese officials ordered evacuations Monday following a warning of a new tsunami triggered by aftershocks along the already earthquake-ravaged eastern coast of the nation.
Officials reported as much as a 16-foot change in sea level off the central and northern sections of the coastline, according to NHK.

Japanese authorities have declared a state of emergency at another nuclear power plant following Friday's massive earthquake that has left the country in a crisis Japan hasn't seen since World War II.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-death-toll-set-rise-fukushima-nuclear/story?id=13126081

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #174 on: March 13, 2011, 10:53:36 PM »
ok ill tag it here. watching CNN.

another nuke plant explodes. damage unknown

hang on. another quake and Tusnami on the way.

plus a volcano eruption today.

lets see. what else can we pile on ???

no links yet.
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