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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #125 on: March 12, 2011, 01:27:56 AM »
You understand this is the same country that feeds toxic whale meat in their school lunch program, while denying the toxicity of said meat, despite dozens of third-party, neutral laboratories reporting levels of heavy metals multiple times above toxic, right?

They're not huge on being honest with their citizens.
They prefer to save face.

You're also assuming that the left hand knows what the right is doing, and everyone is communicating with the other.
NYPD and NYFD couldn't communicate with each other on 9/11.  What makes you think Japan is better off?
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2011, 01:32:19 AM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2011, 01:42:16 AM »
You're also dealing with a guy (me) who has been dealing with nuclear power SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

I'm pretty sure I've got a bit more background than your hysterical bullshit, thanks very ****ing much.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2011, 01:51:42 AM »
Well, DU helps out in their own lame way.   :thatsright:

"Silent Thread for the People of Japan"

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2011, 02:05:35 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on March 12, 2011, 01:42:16 AM
You're also dealing with a guy (me) who has been dealing with nuclear power SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

I'm pretty sure I've got a bit more background than your hysterical bullshit, thanks very ****ing much.

You don't think that cesium being detected outside the reactor indicates that melting may have occurred?

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2011, 02:18:44 AM »
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not the evacuation radius is definitive proof of whether or not there are issues with the reactors.
It's probably useful to note that officials for Japan's nuclear safety commission have been quoted as saying that even a catastrophic meltdown wouldn't effect people outside of a 6 mile radius.

So, a five mile evacuation radius actually fits with *their* opinion of the risk.
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Because of the overheating, a meltdown was possible at one of the reactors, said Ryohei Shiomi, an official with Japan's nuclear safety commission.  But even if there was a meltdown, it wouldn't affect people outside a six-mile radius, he said.
 Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/

*I*, for the record, am not saying there is, or isn't a leak [note the title of my posts?]  Perhaps that's where we're misunderstanding each other.
I'm merely saying that given the state of the region, I wouldn't assume that failure to adopt a safety stance on par with what we would consider standard isn't necessarily evidence that there *isn't* a problem with the reactor.
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Foreign Media Reporting Explosion at/near Fukushima Nuclear Facility
« Reply #131 on: March 12, 2011, 02:25:48 AM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #132 on: March 12, 2011, 03:08:38 AM »
Japan's Cabinet Secretary confirms explosion, the translation I'm getting is very choppy, but it appears they're saying either the turbine housing, or the reactor housing was destroyed in the explosion.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #133 on: March 12, 2011, 03:31:45 AM »
If this picture isn't shopped, and it is accurately labeled and attributed... the reactor is... gone.  http://twitpic.com/48pqvs
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Japanese media reports outer wall of reactor destroyed.
« Reply #134 on: March 12, 2011, 03:38:17 AM »
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_50.html
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Video of the reactor in question shows the outer wall of the building that houses the reactor has disappeared.

Prefectural authorities say the power company informed them that the ceiling of the building collapsed after an explosion.

Australian media:
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A JAPANESE nuclear power plant exploded today, television footage showed, a day after a massive earthquake damaged the facility's cooling system, as nearby residents were warned to stay indoors.

The article also says the Japanese government was warning citizens to take precautions that appear to be intended to protect them from fallout.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/japans-fukushima-no1-nuclear-power-plant-explodes/story-e6frfku0-1226020387955
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #135 on: March 12, 2011, 04:02:19 AM »
The pictures on the Australian media look to me like a turbine building - I can see the skeleton of the building on the pics - indicating that it wasn't a solid concrete structure which means there's not enough concrete to be a reactor housing.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #136 on: March 12, 2011, 04:05:22 AM »
The indication in some of the media has been that it is the *external* reactor housing, and that the internal reactor housing is still intact.
No solid confirmation, however.
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Nuclear material exposed, government stockpiling iodine, media says.
« Reply #137 on: March 12, 2011, 04:55:49 AM »
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A portion of the reactor's fuel rods, which create heat through a nuclear reaction, had become exposed due to the cooling-system failure. The spokesman for Tepco said 1.5 meters of the 4.5 meter long fuel rods were exposed. It was unclear Saturday afternoon whether the water added by workers had re-covered the rods.

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A building at a troubled Japanese nuclear power facility collapsed Saturday afternoon with smoke billowing out, and officials responded by expanding the evacuation perimeter and saying they were preparing to stockpile iodine supplies "just in case."

The evacuation area is currently at 20km.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195700301455480.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #138 on: March 12, 2011, 05:56:35 AM »
CONFIRMED: HYDROGEN EXPLOSION BLEW EXTERNAL CONTAINMENT OFF OF REACTOR.
Government plans to use ocean water to cool reactor.
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The tsunami damaged the facility container- government says they never expected a tsunami would reach the plant.

During operations to release the increased pressure from the reactor, hydrogen accumulated between the reactor and the container, which then ignited and caused the explosion.

Government reports no damage to the reactor itself, and says that the explosion relieved much of the pressure, and that radiation levels are dropping.

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No report regarding potential damage to the other three reactors on site during the explosion.
No report regarding the levels of cesium and radioactive iodine previously recorded at the site, seeming to indicate potential meltdown.

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Hopefully we can get Sparky's input re: the potential for damage if meltdown does occur, now that the reactor lacks the containment.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #139 on: March 12, 2011, 06:22:04 AM »
Conflicting explanations for the sea water use:
Some outlets are saying it will be used as a coolant, some as containment, and some as both.

Unfortunately, the Cabinet Member was vague about the exact purpose.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2011, 08:30:57 AM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #141 on: March 12, 2011, 08:32:22 AM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #142 on: March 12, 2011, 08:34:50 AM »
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2011, 09:30:03 AM »
Five people have been swept out to sea after tsunami-created waves of up to eight-foot high crashed onto the shore of Crescent City, California, a small fishing village near the Oregon border.

The tsunami also destroyed the harbor in Crescent City and several other coastal towns in northern California and Oregon.

"There has been major damage to our harbor," Crescent City Councilman Richard Enea told CBS News
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/121934/20110311/california-tsunami.htm
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2011, 10:23:27 AM »
Quote from: namvet on March 12, 2011, 08:34:50 AM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icta2Fu54g[/youtube]

Just how far can we trust the Japanese government to come out with the actual facts on what is going on.???

 So far they are trying to control this by by themselves while giving out iodine pills to their people.    How can we believable they have contained the problem when scientists around the world are shitting their pants.???

Now how will this affect the Nuclear industry around the world.??

Odd that 5 people I have spoken to remember the 1960's book " On the Beach by Nevil Shout, about a nuclear sub in Australia that the Crew has to face that all is gone from a nuclear problem and the radiation is spreading south to them.

When are country's on the sea take advantage with hydro power, the tide is so powerful, much better then windmills or solar power.

If we could combine tidal power and nuclear energy, one could check the other in case of natural disaster.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #145 on: March 12, 2011, 10:53:35 AM »
Quote from: MP_Sarge on March 12, 2011, 02:05:35 AM
You don't think that cesium being detected outside the reactor indicates that melting may have occurred?



Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #146 on: March 12, 2011, 11:14:44 AM »


 Reuters reports damaged core is leaking.
IAEA rates Fukushima event a 4 on the International Nuclear Event Scale.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #147 on: March 12, 2011, 11:22:57 AM »
I can't watch this anymore! I'm gonna drink a beer and take a nap and thank God I'm safe in my bed!
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #148 on: March 12, 2011, 11:29:32 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on March 12, 2011, 10:53:35 AM
Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.

And this?

Quote from: MP_Sarge on March 12, 2011, 05:56:35 AM
Hopefully we can get Sparky's input re: the potential for damage if meltdown does occur, now that the reactor lacks the containment.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #149 on: March 12, 2011, 11:36:03 AM »
If in fact the core has been partially uncovered, it's on par with TMI-2.  IOW, yes, reason for concern, not outright panic.

NO, it's not burning like Chernobyl.  And it won't.
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