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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #75 on: March 11, 2011, 02:43:08 PM »
Expect that [88,000] to double.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #76 on: March 11, 2011, 03:19:57 PM »
severe damage to Oregon at  Brookings harbor

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In southern Oregon, the harbor at Brookings, near the California border, was extensively damaged.

Several vessels were sunk, half a dozen others were swept to sea and much of the commercial part of the basin was destroyed, Curry County Sheriff John Bishop said. Damages will run in the millions of dollars, he said.

One man with a history of heart problems was found dead aboard a commercial vessel. It was unclear if the death was related to the tsunami.

Four people at a beach north of Brookings were swept into the sea. Two were able to get out of the water on their own, and two were rescued by law enforcement and fire officials, sheriff's officials said.


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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #77 on: March 11, 2011, 03:56:44 PM »
Expect that [88,000] to double.

I remember when the Indonesia tsunami hit and heard in the beginning a low number of deaths and why was it such a big deal........I hope this one isn't going to be like that  :(






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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #78 on: March 11, 2011, 04:04:25 PM »
I found some more pictures... these are amazing. :(

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #79 on: March 11, 2011, 04:17:31 PM »
Shep Smith has a feed on from a Japanese television channel. They are doing helicopter views.

So devastating. It's heartbreaking.

They just said the entire auto industry is shut down.

A WI rep was on Neil Cavuto, and he was talking about the protesters outside his home....he said they were dressed all in black to "mourn" for the loss of their benefits. And in light of what was going on in Japan, it was hard to take them seriously.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2011, 05:04:06 PM »
I found some more pictures... these are amazing. :(

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WOW. 






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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #81 on: March 11, 2011, 05:11:12 PM »
About as simple an explanation and as complete as I can find right now regarding Fukushima I:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events

After the March 11, 2011, earthquake, Nuclear Engineering International reported that units 1 to 3 were automatically shut down, and units 4 to 6 were already in maintenance outages.[1] However electrical problems prevented cooling pumps for Reactor 1 from functioning. Because cooling pumps are needed to remove residual reactor heat, a nuclear emergency was declared. It was the first time a nuclear emergency had been declared in Japan. The emergency cooling systems also were activated for Reactor 2. Batteries, which last about eight hours, are being used to power the reactor cooling during the electrical outage, and the government can use military helicopters to fly in replacement batteries.[2]

An evacuation order has been issued to people living within 3 kilometers of the plant, affecting approximately 5800 residents living near the power plant. People living less than 10 kilometers from the power plant have been advised to stay indoors.[3]

David Lochbaum, who worked at three American reactor complexes that use General Electric technology and now works for the Union of Concerned Scientists, said the plant was probably equipped to function for some hours without emergency diesel generators.[4] The United States Air Force assisted in delivering backup diesel generators for powering the cooling pumps to the plant site. Japanese ground forces are also trucking generators and batteries to the site.[5] The water level inside the reactor has dropped; however, the rods were not exposed.[6]

Past midnight local time, it was reported that The Tokyo Electric Power Company was considering venting super hot gas from the reactor vessel into the atmosphere, which could result in the release of radiation.[7] Saturday, the Tokyo Electric Company reported that radiation levels were rising in the turbine building for reactor 1.[8] At 20:30 GMT the pressure inside Reactor 1 was reported to be 2.1 times the "design capacity."[9] At 21:10 UTC, the IAEA reported that unit 2 is also experiencing cooling problems.[10]

To reduce mounting pressure potentially radioactive steam has been released from the primary circuit, into the secondary containment.[11] On March 11, 2011 at 21:40 (GMT), Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano stated that the amount of potential radiation would be small and that the prevailing winds are blowing out to sea.[12] Measured radiation levels inside the plant control room were reported to be 1000 times greater than normal.[13] Radiation levels measured at a monitoring post near the plant's main gate are more than eight times above normal, Japan's nuclear safety agency said.[14]

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #83 on: March 11, 2011, 07:09:56 PM »
I heard that sucker cossed the Pacific at about 500 MPH !!!

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #84 on: March 11, 2011, 07:11:53 PM »
I remember when the Indonesia tsunami hit and heard in the beginning a low number of deaths and why was it such a big deal........I hope this one isn't going to be like that  :(

I remember that too. Sadly, I think the death toll will be a lot higher.  :(
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #85 on: March 11, 2011, 07:27:32 PM »
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WASHINGTON — You won't notice it, but the day just got a tiny bit shorter because of Friday's giant earthquake off the coast of Japan.

NASA geophysicist Richard Gross calculated that Earth's rotation sped up by 1.6 microseconds.

Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/03/11/1580470/japan-quake-causes-day-to-get.html#ixzz1GLQ7rr5E
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #86 on: March 11, 2011, 08:05:43 PM »
What are the Naval ships expected to do in this situation??
Like namvet said, relief. Our carriers are literally floating cities with a crew of about 5,000.
Apart from their assortment of fixed wing aircraft each carries several helicopters which a very useful is situations such as Japan now faces. They have complete hospitals aboard, with advanced surgical wards. They can serve many thousands of meals at a time, provide electricity to shore and convert sea water to potable fresh water as well.

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http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=50991
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #87 on: March 11, 2011, 08:26:19 PM »
Just heard the last part of a 'Breaking News' - Now they are saying 2 reactors are leaking and starting to melt down since they can't get them cooled.  

Anyone hear to entire newscast?  Was on CNN [ ya I know, but right now they are the only ones on here with updates]
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #88 on: March 11, 2011, 08:27:22 PM »
Whoah.  Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #89 on: March 11, 2011, 08:33:31 PM »
Believe it was.  After the talking heads started with a part about what this would do to nuclear power, setting it back.  Then they switched to a Japanese Ambassador interview.

I'm trying to keep up with info. about the nuclear plants - since my son works at one here in this country.  I guess vested interest comes to mind.....
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #90 on: March 11, 2011, 08:38:31 PM »
here's whats posted on ABC

Radiation Levels Spike Inside Crippled Japanese Nuclear Reactor

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Radiation levels inside a Japanese nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after today's 8.9-magnitude earthquake knocked out power to a cooling system, and tsunami floods have hampered efforts to get it restored.
Meanwhile, heat-induced pressure built up inside the crippled reactor, prompting widespread evacuations within a 10 kilometer radius and stoking fears of a potentially catastrophic radioactive event.

Officials declared a "nuclear emergency" at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, about 200 miles northeast of Tokyo, when its cooling system failed to function properly after the nuclear reactor lost power and automatically shut down.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-nuclear-power-reactor-damaged-high-radiation/story?id=13114181

doesn't sound good

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2011, 08:38:52 PM »
Fox News says they're running a secondary cooling system because the tsunami flooding knocked out their diesel generators.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #92 on: March 11, 2011, 08:40:11 PM »
a nuke emergency sounds to me like run or kiss your ass goodbye !!!

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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #93 on: March 11, 2011, 08:40:28 PM »
Whoah.  Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?

I think but the reactors in Japan won't be another Chernobyl and thats important to remember. The ones in Japan were built to a much higher slandered with lots of safety systems and proper containment structures unlike the Soviet pieces of crap.

At least from what I know and can gather.

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« Reply #94 on: March 11, 2011, 08:41:19 PM »
Will have to get back on now that others are covering again -- thanks
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #95 on: March 11, 2011, 08:51:14 PM »
Just heard the last part of a 'Breaking News' - Now they are saying 2 reactors are leaking and starting to melt down since they can't get them cooled.  

Anyone hear to entire newscast?  Was on CNN [ ya I know, but right now they are the only ones on here with updates]

They're so full of crap their eyes are brown.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #96 on: March 11, 2011, 08:52:29 PM »
Whoah.  Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?

No.  Chernobyl was cause by a prompt criticality which created an uncontrollable power spike, which flashed all the water in the core into steam, blew off the vessel head, and ignited the graphite moderator.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #97 on: March 11, 2011, 08:54:14 PM »
Fox News says they're running a secondary cooling system because the tsunami flooding knocked out their diesel generators.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/

Which is basically steam-driven feed pumps, which aren't normally run and would contribute to the "increased radiation levels" in areas that aren't normally in increased radiation areas.

Bottom line, MSM idiots who can't even set the time on their DVR's are trying to tell us what's going on in a nuclear power plant?

Bitches, please.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2011, 08:57:01 PM »
Things are *not* settling down in that region, geologically.

The strength of the aftershocks has been gradually decreasing over the past several hours, only to suddenly spike back up to 6.8 and 6.5 within the last 2 hours.

And the island of Tonga just got hit with two quakes [distinct events, not tremors related to Japan's activity], 5.7 and 6.1, in that order, with the 6.1 being at an incredibly shallow depth [>15km].
For reference, Japan's 8.9 was at a depth of about 25km.
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Re: Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2011, 09:12:58 PM »
From the structural damage I've seen, Haiti LOOLS like it was a worse quake. That's only because the Japanese take better care to build structures though. It still is tremendously horrible to watch though.

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